UK Faces Population Boom Fueled by Immigration: Balancing Concerns with Opportunities

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so it was Khan who decimated the police force and wiped out community policing!

 

Except it wasn’t.

And seems to have been busy promoting knife crime across the rest of the UK:

 

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf

 

 

Khan is responsible for policing in London.

 

It's OK to admit you weren't aware of this. No need to keep digging. 

[RayC]

20 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ah I thought Race Baiter Ray would turn up eventually. 

 

But as to your point (if there is one) - quite possibly. 

 

I mean if you think about it logically, why would racists want lower wages, lack of housing, lack of schools, worse public services. higher taxes, more crime etc?

 

My guess is that they wouldn't. Same as non-racists wouldn't want it. It's disadvantageous to the indigenous population. 

 

It's a bit like saying "my guess is that racists would prefer not to get prostate cancer". A rather obvious and pointless statement.  

 

When it comes to "race baiting", remind me who posted the following:

 

"We are seeing all of the social issues, crime, intolerance, prejudice that the immigrants are importing with them. We are seeing them daily.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jewish-friends-attacked-antisemitic-attack-leicester-square-west-end-police-b1133817.html

 

For every problem they solve they create five. It's not a population "boom", it's a population crisis.

 

Let's just keep burying our head in the sand and repeating the mantra "Diversity is our strength". Well, I beg to differ. The UK is a great example of the problems "diversity" brings. 

 

Racism can be defined as, "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."

 

Xenophobia can be defined as, "dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries"

 

Your post identifies many of society's ills. You state that they are a result of immigration.

 

Imo your post fits the description of racism and/or xenophobia.

 

As the original post suggests, there is a debate to be had about the effects (good and bad) of immigration, who, why and how (many) immigrants should be allowed into the country. However, that discussion is a lot more nuanced than your simplistic 'immigration bad' approach.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Khan is responsible for policing in London.

 

It's OK to admit you weren't aware of this. No need to keep digging. 

I was absolutely aware Khan is responsible for policing in London.

 

But he wasn’t when Theresa May decimated the police force and wiped out community policing.

 

Khan has responsible for reversing much of that patently idiotic policy.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-knife-crime-austerity-police-federation-stabbings-a8849486.html

 

 

[RayC]

20 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Neither would the good folks of Chicago, New York and Denver.  And they're not racist.  They just don't like seeing their kids kicked out of school, and their streets turned into open air toilets, and their city budgets take it in the shorts to pay for the new arrivals.  Especially when the new arrivals get freebees and bennies that the locals have been crying out for, for decades.  I'd imagine there are similar good folks all over Britain.

 

You're right about one thing. There are "good folks all over Britain"

 

I don't know enough to pass comment on the issues affecting Chicago, New York and Denver. You seem to suffer from a similar lack of information about UK cities.

 

20 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It's a shame, really.  The wealthier countries could attract the best, the brightest and the most industrious immigrants from all over the world.  All they'd have to do is tweak their immigration requirements and they could inundate their country with doctors, nurses, engineers and skilled (and unskilled) laborers with impeccable backgrounds.  Immigrants that would be a net add, instead of a net cost and for decades.

 

But the Globalists among them worry that they'd be stripping talent from countries that sorely need that talent.  Sorely need, but don't deserve because of corruption and backward cultures.  It's long past time for our leaders to put our own countries first.

 

You complain about immigrants importing problems into the UK and US and freeloading on our welfare states while, at the same time, proposing that we adopt a modern day version of lmperialism with its' associated asset stripping of these countries' resources. Imo that's either hypocritical or inconsistent.

[JonnyF]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

When it comes to "race baiting", remind me who posted the following:

 

"We are seeing all of the social issues, crime, intolerance, prejudice that the immigrants are importing with them. We are seeing them daily.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jewish-friends-attacked-antisemitic-attack-leicester-square-west-end-police-b1133817.html

 

For every problem they solve they create five. It's not a population "boom", it's a population crisis.

 

Let's just keep burying our head in the sand and repeating the mantra "Diversity is our strength". Well, I beg to differ. The UK is a great example of the problems "diversity" brings. 

 

Racism can be defined as, "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."

 

Xenophobia can be defined as, "dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries"

 

Your post identifies many of society's ills. You state that they are a result of immigration.

 

Imo your post fits the description of racism and/or xenophobia.

 

As the original post suggests, there is a debate to be had about the effects (good and bad) of immigration, who, why and how (many) immigrants should be allowed into the country. However, that discussion is a lot more nuanced than your simplistic 'immigration bad' approach.

 

This is about immigration, not race.

 

Many immigrants are white.

 

For a professional race baiter, you're really not very good at it.

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I was absolutely aware Khan is responsible for policing in London.

 

But he wasn’t when Theresa May decimated the police force and wiped out community policing.

 

Khan has responsible for reversing much of that patently idiotic policy.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-knife-crime-austerity-police-federation-stabbings-a8849486.html

 

 

 

He's been given the funds, he just can't manage it. Same as he can't manage London transport. He's driven that into the ground as well. Of course, he has a fleet of range Rovers to escort him everywhere so he's fine. 

 

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/sadiq-khans-mismanagement-of-met-police-is-his-biggest-failure-as-trust-in-the-police-has-hit-record-lows/

 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He's been given the funds, he just can't manage it. Same as he can't manage London transport. He's driven that into the ground as well. Of course, he has a fleet of range Rovers to escort him everywhere so he's fine. 

 

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/sadiq-khans-mismanagement-of-met-police-is-his-biggest-failure-as-trust-in-the-police-has-hit-record-lows/

 

OK so the facts of who decimated the the police force and wiped out community policing and the impact of that on crime across the whole of the UK doesn’t get through the Sadiq Khan thing you have going on.

 

Now do you have anything to add to the topic of discussion?

 

Edited February 2 by Chomper Higgot

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

OK so the facts of who decimated the the police force and wiped out community policing and the impact of that on crime across the whole of the UK doesn’t get through the Sadiq Khan thing you have going on.

 

Now do you have anything to add to the topic of discussion?

 

 

We were talking about knife crime in London, but now that you've been educated about who is responsible for policing in London I fully understand your desire to stop this line of conversation or deflect.

 

You're welcome by the way, I'm always happy to inform those with a limited understanding of the UK and the responsibilities of various positions of power.

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

This is about immigration, not race.

 

Many immigrants are white.

 

For a professional race baiter, you're really not very good at it.

 

Which is precisely why I included reference to, and a definition, of xenophobia in my post.

 

Either you're not very observant, or is it a case of being unwilling to admit to what is staring you in the face? Your post is racist/ xenophobic in nature.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Which is precisely why I included reference to, and a definition, of xenophobia in my post.

 

Either you're not very observant, or is it a case of being unwilling to admit to what is staring you in the face? Your post is racist/ xenophobic in nature.

 

Nonsense. 

 

Once again your demand for racism is outweighing the supply. You are are nothing more than a Race Baiter.  

 

To clarify for the hundredth time. I am not against immigration per se. I am against vast numbers of unchecked illegal immigrants with no skills because it negatively impacts housing, healthcare, schooling, services, culture, taxation, safety of the indigenous population. You don't have a credible argument for such vast numbers of unskilled, unchecked, illegal immigrants, so you scream Racism again and again. When you realize it is not actually about Race you fall back on screaming Xenophobia. It only highlights your lack of understanding of the complexity of the problem. 

 

If we need nurses I am more than happy for skilled nurses to come to the UK, irrespective of their race. I don't want boatloads of illegal, unskilled, undocumented, often criminal individuals who often import their culture of intolerance, misogyny and anti-semitism.

 

Given your far left ideology I can understand why you are not concerned about anti-semites entering though. Strength in numbers and all that.  

[Arindos]

20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This doesn’t suggest the ‘hate’ you were referring to:
 

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/uk-attitudes-to-immigration-among-most-positive-internationally-1018742-pub01-115

 

The UK loves immigrants but hates immigration. It's a word salad to keep to social etiquette norms of political correctness surrounding migration.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/05/25/british-voters-want-more-immigrants-but-less-immigration

[RayC]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Nonsense. 

 

Once again your demand for racism is outweighing the supply. You are are nothing more than a Race Baiter.  

 

To clarify for the hundredth time. I am not against immigration per se. I am against vast numbers of unchecked illegal immigrants with no skills because it negatively impacts housing, healthcare, schooling, services, culture, taxation, safety of the indigenous population. You don't have a credible argument for such vast numbers of unskilled, unchecked, illegal immigrants, so you scream Racism again and again. When you realize it is not actually about Race you fall back on screaming Xenophobia. It only highlights your lack of understanding of the complexity of the problem. 

 

If we need nurses I am more than happy for skilled nurses to come to the UK, irrespective of their race. I don't want boatloads of illegal, unskilled, undocumented, often criminal individuals who often import their culture of intolerance, misogyny and anti-semitism.

 

Given your far left ideology I can understand why you are not concerned about anti-semites entering though. Strength in numbers and all that.  

 

Clearly you never think before embarking on one of your rants. Do you even remember what you have posted? Go back and re-read your original post; where do you differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants? Rhetorical question: You don't.

 

In your original rant, you post a cutting from one of your favourite extreme right-wing sites/ rags lamenting the 'problems' created by diversity. Do you think that only illegal immigrants bring diversity? Are you under the impression that a newly arrived legal immigrant tips up in Newcastle and his first words are, "Howay, man. I'm gagging for a pint of Exhibition"?

 

What your posts show is a lack of clarity of thought, and an inability to formulate a coherent and consistent argument on your part. Don't blame me for your failings.

 

It's laughable that you think I do not understand the complexity of the problem when the only thing that you can offer is another rant. Wrt illegal immigration, yes it is a problem but how do you go about stopping it? Will the 'Rwanda' strategy stop illegal immigrants trying to reach the UK? Imo doubtful. And at what cost? Is it a feasible long-term strategy?

 

Notwithstanding my comments in the previous paragraph, you clearly do not realise that illegal immigration forms only a small proportion (<5%) of total immigration to the UK (52k out of 1.2m in the year to June 2023). Dealing with illegal immigration is a necessity but is relatively unimportant in the wider context.

 

For the record, I find anti-Semitism just as abhorrent as other forms of racism/ xenophobia. I can only conclude that trying to label me as anti-Semitic is your feeble attempt to divert attention away from your previous comments.

Edited February 2 by RayC
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