Social Media Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 President Biden has strongly condemned Congress' delay in passing crucial funding for Ukraine's defense against Russia, labeling it as "close to criminal neglect" during a discussion with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Expressing his outrage, Biden highlighted the critical importance of supporting Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, emphasizing the dire consequences of failing to do so. With tensions escalating in Europe, Scholz arrived in the US to underscore the necessity of bolstering Ukraine's defense efforts and to emphasize Germany's commitment to supporting Ukraine despite facing budgetary constraints. While the Senate recently advanced a $95.3 billion package aimed at providing aid to Ukraine, Israel, and other national security priorities, the process has faced significant obstacles, including opposition from most Republican senators who initially blocked the bipartisan deal due to border security provisions. In response, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer removed these provisions to expedite the bill's passage. During his conversation with Scholz, Biden acknowledged some reluctance in the House regarding the aid package but expressed optimism that it could be resolved. He stressed the urgency of the situation and urged swift action to ensure Ukraine receives the necessary support to defend itself. Scholz echoed Biden's sentiments, emphasizing the critical role of US support in Ukraine's defense efforts and expressing confidence that the House would follow Biden's lead. Both leaders underscored the high stakes involved, emphasizing the imperative for Congress to act promptly and decisively in providing aid to Ukraine. 12.02.24 Source 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted February 11 Popular Post Share Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, Social Media said: Expressing his outrage, Biden highlighted the critical importance of supporting Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, emphasizing the dire consequences of failing to do so. Indeed. The war will end sooner than it will with more US money, which will end up with a lot less Ukrainian dead and destruction. Probably the biggest casualty would be Biden's reputation in an election year, when people ask "what was it all for"? Likely yet another American proxy war that ended badly for the US. 3 5 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Social Media said: During his conversation with Scholz, Biden acknowledged some reluctance in the House regarding the aid package but expressed optimism that it could be resolved. He stressed the urgency of the situation and urged swift action to ensure Ukraine receives the necessary support to defend itself. Glad to see someone on the same page as me this early in the morning. The American tax payer is over it, hence the reason Congress has delayed yet another package worth billions of $'s in aid to the Ukraine, as opposed to negotiating a peaceful settlement which would cost nothing and save lives, but no, there's no money in that. Sure Russia will own a little more land when the borders are relined, but hey, it's a win/win situation. No doubt there will be many suggesting otherwise, and if so, perhaps they should go straight to the frontlines and help Ukraine, starting with Biden. Edited February 11 by 4MyEgo 3 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 IMO, every Ukrainian that dies going forward is on the politicians funding the carnage. That's the real crime. 1 3 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: No doubt there will be many suggesting otherwise, and if so, perhaps they should go straight to the frontlines and help Ukraine, starting with Biden. If I were the world's dictator I'd make anyone that wants a war, especially politicians, go serve on the front lines. I can guarantee a world of peace and prosperity would follow. 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said: If I were the world's dictator I'd make anyone that wants a war, especially politicians, go serve on the front lines. I can guarantee a world of peace and prosperity would follow. Russia is the #1 or possibly the #2 after China the enemy of democracy all stop 🛑 Putin has been stopped dead in his tracks after HE invaded HIS neighbor all stop 🛑 for less than 5% of our defense budget we have been instrumental in helping Ukraine preserve her sovereignty all stop 🛑 that is brilliant it is also helping maintain the world order in Europe you just keep hanging out there in NZ casting stones ………now trump continues to betray America with his infantile rhetoric against nato …….. 1 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Tug said: Russia is the #1 or possibly the #2 after China the enemy of democracy all stop 🛑 Putin has been stopped dead in his tracks after HE invaded HIS neighbor all stop 🛑 for less than 5% of our defense budget we have been instrumental in helping Ukraine preserve her sovereignty all stop 🛑 that is brilliant it is also helping maintain the world order in Europe you just keep hanging out there in NZ casting stones ………now trump continues to betray America with his infantile rhetoric against nato …….. all stop. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Indeed. The war will end sooner than it will with more US money, which will end up with a lot less Ukrainian dead and destruction. Probably the biggest casualty would be Biden's reputation in an election year, when people ask "what was it all for"? Likely yet another American proxy war that ended badly for the US. America has a habit of funding foreign conflicts and then leaving when their attention is diverted elsewhere, get a political change or simply get bored (or start getting their butts kicked). I don't know why Ukraine would be any different. Just a matter of time. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post morrobay Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: Glad to see someone on the same page as me this early in the morning. The American tax payer is over it, hence the reason Congress has delayed yet another package worth billions of $'s in aid to the Ukraine, as opposed to negotiating a peaceful settlement which would cost nothing and save lives, but no, there's no money in that. Sure Russia will own a little more land when the borders are relined, but hey, it's a win/win situation. No doubt there will be many suggesting otherwise, and if so, perhaps they should go straight to the frontlines and help Ukraine, starting with Biden. "The American tax payer is over it" And high time I dare say: On that not such a winding road from Two Trillion wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan ( for the benefit of the military industrial complex and of course VPCheneys Hallibuton) to Ukraine and counting. I don't condone this invasion but Putin wanted some of Ukraine and is going to get it. Could have been negotiated early on. Criminal neglect?? What about the inner city and infrastructure neglect in the US.? And funding for the WALL 1 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: If I were the world's dictator I'd make anyone that wants a war, especially politicians, go serve on the front lines. I can guarantee a world of peace and prosperity would follow. I dread to think what the world would be like if you were the world's dictator, but tbf this isn't your worst idea. You should give the Kremlin a ring and float the idea with your mate Putin. 1 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Indeed. The war will end sooner than it will with more US money, which will end up with a lot less Ukrainian dead and destruction. Probably the biggest casualty would be Biden's reputation in an election year, when people ask "what was it all for"? Likely yet another American proxy war that ended badly for the US. The biggest casualty would be the USA followed by a lot of the world if Trump ever becomes president again. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 hours ago, Tug said: now trump continues to betray America with his infantile rhetoric against nato …….. At least with Trump, 500,000 Ukrainians, and 300,000 Russians would be alive and with their families today, but then again, what is a life worth, best you go on your way to the frontline, because, frankly my dear, I don't give a dame. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: At least with Trump, 500,000 Ukrainians, and 300,000 Russians would be alive and with their families today, but then again, what is a life worth, best you go on your way to the frontline, because, frankly my dear, I don't give a dame. America's been buying knives to arm and send the Ukes into a gunfight. With the warmongering politicians willing to keep funding the war, to the last Ukrainian. Here's the battle map (CNN, I think) from last February. A year ago. I challenge anyone to come in and say the gains the Ukes have made are worth the thousands and thousands of Ukrainian lives and the $$$ billions and billions. It's time for the killing to stop and the rebuilding to begin. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-5-23-intl/index.html Edited February 12 by impulse 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, impulse said: America's been buying knives to arm and send the Ukes into a gunfight. With the warmongering politicians willing to keep funding the war, to the last Ukrainian. Here's the battle map (CNN, I think) from last February. A year ago. I challenge anyone to come in and say the gains the Ukes have made are worth the thousands and thousands of Ukrainian lives and the $$$ billions and billions. It's time for the killing to stop and the rebuilding to begin. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-5-23-intl/index.html The "Ukes" have made no gains. They have merely returned some territory to its' pre-war position. You attempt to put the onus on those who support Ukraine to justify the continuation of the war, whilst the real challenge is for those who support the Russian cause to justify their actions, not just for the war but for the annexation of Crimea. The time for the killing to stop and the rebuilding to start is long overdue. An unconditional withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukrainian soil would allow that to happen. Unfortunately, such action looks very unlikely. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wrwest Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Indeed. The war will end sooner than it will with more US money, which will end up with a lot less Ukrainian dead and destruction. Probably the biggest casualty would be Biden's reputation in an election year, when people ask "what was it all for"? Likely yet another American proxy war that ended badly for the US. Oh, pleeeze do go to the Ukraine front lines and remind those putting their lives on the line that they are only fighting a proxy war for the USA. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oustaristocrats Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Indeed. The war will end sooner than it will with more US money, which will end up with a lot less Ukrainian dead and destruction. Probably the biggest casualty would be Biden's reputation in an election year, when people ask "what was it all for"? Likely yet another American proxy war that ended badly for the US. Just remove the word 'Ukraine' and read it like Russia attacking any other country in the world. If you give your blessing to this particular occupation, there will soon be another one, and another one, in particular with such a smart guy stating that security is depending on payment of a Nato bill. You almost invite the agressor to make a next move. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illisdean Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 12 hours ago, Social Media said: "close to criminal neglect" Something like the criminal neglect of the open. unsecured southern border and resultant humanitarian and national security crisis created by the mentally unfit Biden. At this point the only ones pushing this war instead of working towards a peaceful resolution is Biden and his war mongering woke band of misfits. Edited February 12 by illisdean 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 criminal neglect of the arms industry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Summerinsiam Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 39 minutes ago, oustaristocrats said: Just remove the word 'Ukraine' and read it like Russia attacking any other country in the world. If you give your blessing to this particular occupation, there will soon be another one, and another one, in particular with such a smart guy stating that security is depending on payment of a Nato bill. You almost invite the agressor to make a next er There is no real evidence that Russia would attack another country. It is mostly hyperbole and propaganda pushed by the likes of Zelenskey, the baltic states, and those Nato generals who want more money for defence. Putin rightly fears Nato and despite the western narrative, is not a madman. The danger lies in miscalulation, the rest is smoke and mirrors. The conflict has reached a stalemate and with the Russian economy unexpectedly resilient and on a war footing, it is looking increasingly unlikely that the Ukrainians can regain their territory, let alone win. Reality is dawning, despite the Ukrainian and western mantra, and something will have to give. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Bull Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 This idea that the Yanks have about instilling democracy on nations is very selective. It doesn't apply to the Saudies or any of those rich Arab countries. Egypt's democratically elected government was run off and Africa is full of people originally voted in but won't leave when their time is up. Thailand and Cambodia are another pair of basket cases when it comes to democracy. So why are they not speaking up about these countries? China has a one party system that suits them well with elected representatives. The haven't been communist for years since Deng Chao Ping. A lot of Ukrainians are pro Russian choosing the Russians over the Yanks but those numbers are concealed from us. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oustaristocrats Posted February 16 Popular Post Share Posted February 16 On 2/12/2024 at 6:21 PM, Summerinsiam said: There is no real evidence that Russia would attack another country. It is mostly hyperbole and propaganda pushed by the likes of Zelenskey, the baltic states, and those Nato generals who want more money for defence. Putin rightly fears Nato and despite the western narrative, is not a madman. The danger lies in miscalulation, the rest is smoke and mirrors. The conflict has reached a stalemate and with the Russian economy unexpectedly resilient and on a war footing, it is looking increasingly unlikely that the Ukrainians can regain their territory, let alone win. Reality is dawning, despite the Ukrainian and western mantra, and something will have to give. Complete nonsense. There was no threat of any western country attacking Russia, neighbouring countries lived in peace, the people of countries like Ukraine COULD VOTE their own government, and THIS was the problem of Mr Putin . Eventually he could fear his people want a free choice as well. The occupation of Ukraine, let's not forget, is just taking another country, as if Myanmar would invade Thailand, claiming they felt a treat coming from Thailand, pure nonsense, a fake excuse. 1 2 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Summerinsiam Posted February 17 Popular Post Share Posted February 17 17 hours ago, oustaristocrats said: Complete nonsense. There was no threat of any western country attacking Russia, neighbouring countries lived in peace, the people of countries like Ukraine COULD VOTE their own government, and THIS was the problem of Mr Putin . Eventually he could fear his people want a free choice as well. The occupation of Ukraine, let's not forget, is just taking another country, as if Myanmar would invade Thailand, claiming they felt a treat coming from Thailand, pure nonsense, a fake excuse. Keep on drinking that kool aid. 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/12/2024 at 11:59 AM, Tug said: Russia is the #1 or possibly the #2 after China the enemy of democracy all stop 🛑 Putin has been stopped dead in his tracks after HE invaded HIS neighbor all stop 🛑 for less than 5% of our defense budget we have been instrumental in helping Ukraine preserve her sovereignty all stop 🛑 that is brilliant it is also helping maintain the world order in Europe you just keep hanging out there in NZ casting stones ………now trump continues to betray America with his infantile rhetoric against nato …….. I have yet to see evidence that both Russia and China are a threat to world peace, (American propaganda), yet the rhetoric is always the same as to how they brainwash their weak, and others. NATO is nothing more than a puppet for the American Military Industrial Complex, and I applaud how BRICS is sticking it to them by moving away from the US $ in return, suffice to say, that is a major threat to American, and I can't wait for the US $ to tank after dominating all currencies since WWII, time to take it down a notch fellas'...LoL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 If funding the war in Ukraine is so critical, why is the aid tied to funding OTHER countries? Simply have 3 separate funding bills, one for Unkraine, one for Israel, one for other priorities, and vote on them separately. The only reason to bundle them is cynical political gain. But it is good to see our friends here willing to fight Russia, to the last US dollar and the last Ukranian life. Stunning and brave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sirineou Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/12/2024 at 8:04 AM, sirineou said: On 2/12/2024 at 7:59 AM, Tug said: Russia is the #1 or possibly the #2 after China the enemy of democracy all stop 🛑 Putin has been stopped dead in his tracks after HE invaded HIS neighbor all stop 🛑 for less than 5% of our defense budget we have been instrumental in helping Ukraine preserve her sovereignty all stop 🛑 that is brilliant it is also helping maintain the world order in Europe you just keep hanging out there in NZ casting stones ………now trump continues to betray America with his infantile rhetoric against nato …….. On 2/12/2024 at 8:04 AM, sirineou said: all stop. To those with confused and sad emojis. It was a joke!! I hate to have to explained it. but Tug said "all stop after every paragraph ., So I laughing said "all stop" Some of you need to stop taking your selves too seriously. If we can't laugh at ourselves.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: If funding the war in Ukraine is so critical, why is the aid tied to funding OTHER countries? Simply have 3 separate funding bills, one for Unkraine, one for Israel, one for other priorities, and vote on them separately. The only reason to bundle them is cynical political gain. But it is good to see our friends here willing to fight Russia, to the last US dollar and the last Ukranian life. Stunning and brave. Ahh haggie they asked for our help……meanwhile the retrumplikan members of the house scurried back home to bunker up terrified of a mean tweet from Putin’s best asset one Donald John Trump the best performing asset Putin has just boggles my mind I never in my wildest dreams would have thought this of the GOP…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 23 minutes ago, Tug said: Ahh haggie they asked for our help……meanwhile the retrumplikan members of the house scurried back home to bunker up terrified of a mean tweet from Putin’s best asset one Donald John Trump the best performing asset Putin has just boggles my mind I never in my wildest dreams would have thought this of the GOP…… You didn't answer the question. Why tie Ukraine aid to others? Also, I am sure you read that Putin's choice for president is none other than Joe Biden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/12/2024 at 8:17 PM, billd766 said: The biggest casualty would be the USA followed by a lot of the world if Trump ever becomes president again. If it stops American involved wars all over the place, the rest of the world might be better off in that case, so bring it on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, sirineou said: To those with confused and sad emojis. It was a joke!! I hate to have to explained it. but Tug said "all stop after every paragraph ., So I laughing said "all stop" Some of you need to stop taking your selves too seriously. If we can't laugh at ourselves.................... Just wasn't very funny. Try using something to indicate it was humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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