JBChiangRai Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Muhendis said: How about the new Toyota hydrogen ICE? https://www.autoracing1.com/pl/395761/automotive-this-new-engine-will-destroy-the-entire-ev-market-toyota-ceo/ I personally think its a backward step into the world of high temperatures and way too many moving parts. This is just FUD, complete nonsense. It's almost the same as a CNG engine. I wonder if that article should have been released on 1st April. I am surprised it made it into a publication (assuming it's a real publication) and I don't believe Akio Toyoda can be attributed to the comment, I think it's completely fake. I have long thought that companies like (and especially) Toyota are behind a lot of the anti-EV and pro alternative solutions we read. Toyota have one electric car on sale here the bZ4x, it costs about double the new BYD Atto 3 which I think is a superior car. It also has BYD's batteries. Mercedes Benz have concluded a deal for BYD's blade batteries too. BYD's blade batteries are the best technology out there for LiFePO4 at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: I watch from time to time a YouTube channel where a guy brings cars which are 20 or 30 years old up to a standard as if they were new. Many of these cars have more than 200,000km on the clock. Obviously, he replaces parts, but most of the car parts are still the originals. I wonder how many EV will still be usable after 20 years. Probably near to zero. So too many moving parts is maybe not the main issue. I think most of the 20+ year old ICE cars will ultimately be converted to BEV. I used to have a few classic cars and I would do that to them now if I was still in the UK. ICE don't play well if they are left for any length of time. We can all guess about how many EV's will be usable in 20 years, but that's all it is, a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: I think most of the 20+ year old ICE cars will ultimately be converted to BEV. I used to have a few classic cars and I would do that to them now if I was still in the UK. ICE don't play well if they are left for any length of time. We can all guess about how many EV's will be usable in 20 years, but that's all it is, a guess. Converting ICE cars to EVs sounds expensive to impossible. It's not like that you exchange the combustion engine with an electrical motor. Almost everything has to be changed. And about old EVs: How many of the current batteries do you think will survive for 10 or more years? Few! And what is the rest value of an EV with a bad battery at that time? Mostly likely it doesn't make sense to buy an expensive new battery for an old car. There is a reason why the resale price for EVs is bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Converting ICE cars to EVs sounds expensive to impossible. It's not like that you exchange the combustion engine with an electrical motor. Almost everything has to be changed. And about old EVs: How many of the current batteries do you think will survive for 10 or more years? Few! And what is the rest value of an EV with a bad battery at that time? Mostly likely it doesn't make sense to buy an expensive new battery for an old car. There is a reason why the resale price for EVs is bad. Taking your points in reverse order. The resale price in Thailand for used EV's is excellent. EV batteries are predicted to still have 80-90% capacity at 18-20 years. Most EV's are now LiFePO4 technology which has double the cycles/life of earlier technologies and it is those earlier technologies expected to achieve the numbers I quoted. There are already a few companies in the UK specialising in EV conversions, one of them even sells DIY kits for minis and Porsches. They have been careful to keep the weight distribution the same by putting batteries at the front for example. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: EV batteries are predicted to still have 80-90% capacity at 18-20 years. Really? Whose prediction is that? Greta Thunberg's? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Taking your points in reverse order. The resale price in Thailand for used EV's is excellent. EV batteries are predicted to still have 80-90% capacity at 18-20 years. Most EV's are now LiFePO4 technology which has double the cycles/life of earlier technologies and it is those earlier technologies expected to achieve the numbers I quoted. There are already a few companies in the UK specialising in EV conversions, one of them even sells DIY kits for minis and Porsches. They have been careful to keep the weight distribution the same by putting batteries at the front for example. Something wrong wiv my newish torch then............😭................🤭 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I find it almost funny when some EV enthusiasts just believe that EVs are great. Always and ever, they are the perfect solution. There are no problems. Just perfect. I think the idea about vehicles with electric motors is fine. But in real life there are currently many many problems. I am sure some of those problems will be solved in the next years. And other problems will be problems for a long time. For some people and applications, like every day just short trips with overnight charging at home, EVs work already. For many other people they just don't make sense. What is so difficult about admitting that EVs are an option for some people, but unsuitable for many others? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 23 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: The driver was speeding and this was his excuse. The car has been thoroughly examined and there is no fault. Jaguar discontinuing this model has nothing to do with this event. This a non-story, move along @Muhendis "This a non-story, move along @Muhendis" aren't a vast number of stories on AN nonstories? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 29 minutes ago, Artisi said: "This a non-story, move along @Muhendis" aren't a vast number of stories on AN nonstories? Yup. Made up stories with not an ounce of truth but fun to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Question for forum EV owners. Can you apply the brakes with the left foot while the right foot is still pressing on the accelerator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: I find it almost funny when some EV enthusiasts just believe that EVs are great. Always and ever, they are the perfect solution. There are no problems. Just perfect. I think the idea about vehicles with electric motors is fine. But in real life there are currently many many problems. I am sure some of those problems will be solved in the next years. And other problems will be problems for a long time. For some people and applications, like every day just short trips with overnight charging at home, EVs work already. For many other people they just don't make sense. What is so difficult about admitting that EVs are an option for some people, but unsuitable for many others? Nobody said V's suit everyone, perhaps you would like to list the many many problems with EV's? 5 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: Question for forum EV owners. Can you apply the brakes with the left foot while the right foot is still pressing on the accelerator? I have no idea, why would you want to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: I watch from time to time a YouTube channel where a guy brings cars which are 20 or 30 years old up to a standard as if they were new. Many of these cars have more than 200,000km on the clock. Obviously, he replaces parts, but most of the car parts are still the originals. I wonder how many EV will still be usable after 20 years. Probably near to zero. So too many moving parts is maybe not the main issue. Recycle, re-manufacture, replace. You poor old sods really do not get it do you? Edited March 21 by Enoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motdaeng Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: What is so difficult about admitting that EVs are an option for some people, but unsuitable for many others? could you please name just one forum member who owns an EV and hasn't repeatedly stated "electric cars aren't suitable for everyone"? I am certain you're aware of this, but you seem to be disregarding it ... Edited March 21 by motdaeng spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 21 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Nobody said V's suit everyone, perhaps you would like to list the many many problems with EV's? I have no idea, why would you want to? a) if you would pay attention then you would have to ask me to list the well-known problems. Just look at the news and read some articles. b) Racing drivers do that to control cars under difficult conditions. I am pretty sure ordinary drivers don't need that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I think it's time to draw a veil across this one, the bickering has commenced and will now cease! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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