Justice Department investigating door plug blowout on Alaska Airlines flight, report says

[Georgealbert]

Boeing won't face charges for violating a 737 Max plea deal, report says.

 

https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/boeing-avoid-criminal-prosecution
 

US official says no decision yet on whether to prosecute Boeing.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-expected-evade-criminal-charges-155826121.html

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Boeing won't face charges for violating a 737 Max plea deal, report says.

 

https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/boeing-avoid-criminal-prosecution
 

US official says no decision yet on whether to prosecute Boeing.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-expected-evade-criminal-charges-155826121.html

From the Yahoo link

"Earlier on Friday, the New York Times, citing anonymous sources, reported that the Justice Department "is expected to allow Boeing to escape criminal prosecution" for violating the DPA.

 

Leon's email said, "The reporting was simply not correct."

 

The Times later revised its story to say that the Justice Department is "considering allowing" Boeing to avoid criminal prosecution."

[Georgealbert]

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

From the Yahoo link

"Earlier on Friday, the New York Times, citing anonymous sources, reported that the Justice Department "is expected to allow Boeing to escape criminal prosecution" for violating the DPA.

 

Leon's email said, "The reporting was simply not correct."

 

The Times later revised its story to say that the Justice Department is "considering allowing" Boeing to avoid criminal prosecution."

Yes, is unclear, but the claim of Boeing escaping prosecution again, was widely reported through both the media and aviation sources.

 

DoJ had previously said a full statement and decision will be announced on 7 July.

[morrobay]

Well the hand writing is on the wall.  Boeing/military industrial complex. Is too big to fail. But this includes the  SAPS at the justice dept and FAA who are letting the specific criminal negligence by Boeing employees avoid being prosecuted. Let me spell this out for those who will pretend or deny that there was criminal negligence/ cover ups . (There are many examples of this  for the informed) So: While prosecuting Boeing as a company seems off the table. Then why o why cannot immunities be revoked and prosecutions of certain individuals go forward during all this shuffling that seems to be in the cards now??

 

 

 

 

[Georgealbert]

Boeing should face criminal charges, prosecutors tell Department of Justice.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-us-prosecutors-recommend-doj-212737002.html

[morrobay]

That's good news for what it's worth. What the field prosecutors  recommend should be in effect but unfortunately there are Saps on the DOJ 7th floor who will override them. Most likely the same Saps who approved immunity from criminal negligence by some Boeing employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2024/06/24/doj-boeing-737-crashes-charges/

 

[Georgealbert]

Families of Boeing Max 8 victims urge court to impose corporate monitor.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-737-max-crash-victim-211820030.html

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, morrobay said:

That's good news for what it's worth. What the field prosecutors  recommend should be in effect but unfortunately there are Saps on the DOJ 7th floor who will override them. Most likely the same Saps who approved immunity from criminal negligence by some Boeing employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2024/06/24/doj-boeing-737-crashes-charges/

 

You keep blaming the individuals where the blame should be with the corporate culture and FAA for not stepping in.

[morrobay]

15 hours ago, stevenl said:

You keep blaming the individuals where the blame should be with the corporate culture and FAA for not stepping in.

Maybe you should take a look back at my postings if you think I'm going light on Boeing. The blame is also on the DOJ for this outrageous DPA. And about this Boeing "corporate culture" plenty of blame but how do you get accountability with these SAPS at the "justice" dept ? 

[stevenl]

I don't know how common updates like this are.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-faa-adopts-airworthiness-directive-13-boeing-757-200-planes-2024-06-26/

[Georgealbert]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

I don't know how common updates like this are.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-faa-adopts-airworthiness-directive-13-boeing-757-200-planes-2024-06-26/

FAA state that “Airworthiness Directives (ADs) are legally enforceable regulations issued by the FAA in accordance with 14 CFR part 39 to correct an unsafe condition in a product. Part 39 defines a product as an aircraft, engine, propeller, or appliance.” and are regularly issued.

 

This link gives you the FAA Airworthiness Directives (ADs) biweekly report.

https://drs.faa.gov/reports/ad-biweekly?close=true

This link is the searchable database for Emergency Airworthiness Directives (EADs).

 

https://drs.faa.gov/browse/ADFREAD/doctypeDetails

 

This link is the general start page for FAA ADs.

 

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/airworthiness_directives

 

All ADs are placed on a Federal Register, and below is the latest one for the Boeing 757-200, mentioned in your link, which details the findings, actions required and even costings. This AD only impacts 13, 757-200 planes, with that modification, not the whole fleet.

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/06/26/2024-13936/airworthiness-directives-the-boeing-company-airplanes#:~:text=The FAA is adopting a,around the lavatory service panel.

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:37 PM by Georgealbert

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

FAA state that “Airworthiness Directives (ADs) are legally enforceable regulations issued by the FAA in accordance with 14 CFR part 39 to correct an unsafe condition in a product. Part 39 defines a product as an aircraft, engine, propeller, or appliance.” and are regularly issued.

 

This link gives you the FAA Airworthiness Directives (ADs) biweekly report.

https://drs.faa.gov/reports/ad-biweekly?close=true

This link is the searchable database for Emergency Airworthiness Directives (EADs).

 

https://drs.faa.gov/browse/ADFREAD/doctypeDetails

 

This link is the general start page for FAA ADs.

 

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/airworthiness_directives

 

All ADs are placed on a Federal Register, and below is the latest one for the Boeing 757-200, mentioned in your link, which details the findings, actions required and even costings. This AD only impacts 13, 757-200 planes, with that modification, not the whole fleet.

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/06/26/2024-13936/airworthiness-directives-the-boeing-company-airplanes#:~:text=The FAA is adopting a,around the lavatory service panel.

 

 

 

 

So nothing about how common these directives are.

[Georgealbert]

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So nothing about how common these directives are.

There are fairly regular, for all types of aircraft’s, and certainly not unusual. Not only do the FAA issue them , but other countries regulatory bodies also issue them.

 

I linked the bi-weekly report to highlight, that the FAA issue so many, that it needs to do that type of reporting.

 

This one for the 13, 757-200 aircraft and relates to a certified modifications only, which has caused a identified problem, not all 757-200.

 

This, I believe, would not normally make main stream news.

[Georgealbert]

NTSB critical of Boeing for sharing unauthorised information about the Alaska flight.
 

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/ntsb-sanctions-boeing-for-sharing-unauthorized-alaska-1282-information-during-media-briefing/

[stevenl]

10 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

There are fairly regular, for all types of aircraft’s, and certainly not unusual. Not only do the FAA issue them , but other countries regulatory bodies also issue them.

 

I linked the bi-weekly report to highlight, that the FAA issue so many, that it needs to do that type of reporting.

 

This one for the 13, 757-200 aircraft and relates to a certified modifications only, which has caused a identified problem, not all 757-200.

 

This, I believe, would not normally make main stream news.

I agree that Boeing at the moment gets more attention than they deserve for 'small' incidents. It's of their own doing though.

[Georgealbert]

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I agree that Boeing at the moment gets more attention than they deserve for 'small' incidents. It's of their own doing though.

Yes fully agree, Boeing certainly are responsible for their own problems, and currently make good headlines.

 

Just for comparison, here is another example of an FAA AD, 2024, on Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines, which currently ,means that worldwide, over 600 Airbus A320 Neo aircraft are grounded awaiting checks.

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/03/27/2024-06433/airworthiness-directives-pratt-and-whitney-turbofan-engines

 

https://simpleflying.com/faa-ad-pratt-whitney-pw1100g/

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350320759/six-hundred-planes-grounded-issue-causing-headaches-airlines

 

[Georgealbert]

Boeing blames missing paperwork for Alaska Air incident, prompting rebuke from safety regulators.

 

https://www.wesh.com/article/boeing-alaska-air-incident-paperwork/61435876

[Georgealbert]

Boeing plans to brief European aviation officials on 737 Max.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-brief-european-regulators-production-090603752.html

[morrobay]

2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Boeing blames missing paperwork for Alaska Air incident, prompting rebuke from safety regulators.

 

https://www.wesh.com/article/boeing-alaska-air-incident-paperwork/61435876

Missing paper work??? There were 4 bolts missing on the plug. How much more of these lies, cover ups and criminal negligence from this "Boeing culture" are going to be put up with? These lying sacks of sh*t should. be rounded up and taken away. End of Story.https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/ntsb-report-on-alaska-flight-1282-says-key-bolts-missing-when-boeing-delivered-jet/

Edited Friday at 12:06 AM by morrobay

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Boeing blames missing paperwork for Alaska Air incident, prompting rebuke from safety regulators.

 

https://www.wesh.com/article/boeing-alaska-air-incident-paperwork/61435876

Didn't Boeing publicly claim to accept responsibility for their mishaps?

Weasels.

[impulse]

Call me cynical, but is Boeing claiming that the employees who put the interior trim moulding on over the door plug need paperwork to notice that the bolts were missing?

 

 

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Call me cynical, but is Boeing claiming that the employees who put the interior trim moulding on over the door plug need paperwork to notice that the bolts were missing?

 

 

 

I think the story is: they get a paper telling them what to do. No paper they will not do it. Which in a certain way makes sense, you can't have employees thinking 'hmm, that looks strange, let's fix that', when it could very well be intended that way. Since certain employees didn't note they removed the bolts nobody was told they have to be replaced.

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I think the story is: they get a paper telling them what to do. No paper they will not do it. Which in a certain way makes sense, you can't have employees thinking 'hmm, that looks strange, let's fix that', when it could very well be intended that way. Since certain employees didn't note they removed the bolts nobody was told they have to be replaced.

 

Seriously?  You'd think that any employee should stop work when they notice missing bolts that they're about to cover up with trim moulding.

 

Like, "The past 152 times I did this work, there were bolts.  This time, there aren't any.  Maybe I should mention that to the safety guy before I cover it up".  Not that I'd expect them to install the bolts themselves.  But that they bring it up to the people responsible.  Paper or no.

 

[Georgealbert]

26 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Seriously? You'd think that any employee should stop work when they notice missing bolts that they're about to cover up with trim molding.

 

Like, "The past 152 times I did this work, there were bolts. This time, there aren't any. Maybe I should mention that to the safety guy before I cover it up". Not that I'd expect them to install the bolts themselves. But that they bring it up to the people responsible. Paper or no.

 

Maybe try reading the link, before again posting your own paranoid based conspiracies.

 

I can only post up to date links, I can’t make you understand the links, if you only choose to read between the lines, because it meets your own ‘wingnut’ views.

 

“When a different group of employees put the plug back in place, Boeing says the employees didn’t think the plane would actually fly in that condition.

 

Instead, they were just blocking the hole with the plug to protect the inside of the fuselage from weather as the plane moved outside. That group of employees often makes those kind of temporary fixes.

 

“The doors team closes up the aircraft before it is moved outside, but it’s not their responsibility to install the pins,” said Elizabeth Lund, senior vice president of quality for Boeing’s commercial airplane unit.”

 

Clearly your reading comprehension is about as good as you critical thinking, blinded by that tunnel vision of your hate.

[impulse]

32 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Clearly your reading comprehension is about as good as you critical thinking, blinded by that tunnel vision of your hate.

 

Look at the photo in the OP and tell me how many people had to fall down on the job to not notice those bolts were missing.  I count the insulation people, the interior trim people and probably the electrical people.  All of them had an opportunity to call out the safety escape. Just the folks who covered up the area with the interior panels should have noticed that the bolts were missing.  The bolts they've seen the previous 152 times they did the same work.  

 

 

I read the link.  I understood it perfectly.  And I laughed at the arrogance. 

 

If you want a good conspiracy theory, how about the whistleblower who claims that the missing documents do exist, and he handed them over to the FBI.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/boeing-critic-says-he-shared-missing-737-bolt-records-with-fbi/ar-BB1lNVB5

 

 

Edited Friday at 05:07 AM by impulse

[morrobay]

Isn't high time for the FBI to raid Boeing facilities and search for these not missing paperwork's regarding the doorplug. Because that is about the only way this paper work will see the light of day. Indeed ^^ this is emerging as a coverup conspiracy. Again just how much more of these lies are going to have to be put up with.https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-whistleblower-alleges-criminal-coverup-over-737-max-blowout-2024-4

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Look at the photo in the OP and tell me how many people had to fall down on the job to not notice those bolts were missing.  I count the insulation people, the interior trim people and probably the electrical people.  All of them had an opportunity to call out the safety escape. Just the folks who covered up the area with the interior panels should have noticed that the bolts were missing.  The bolts they've seen the previous 152 times they did the same work.  

 

 

I read the link.  I understood it perfectly.  And I laughed at the arrogance. 

 

If you want a good conspiracy theory, how about the whistleblower who claims that the missing documents do exist, and he handed them over to the FBI.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/boeing-critic-says-he-shared-missing-737-bolt-records-with-fbi/ar-BB1lNVB5

 

 

Bye as it pointless trying to discuss anything someone who’s ignorant speculation just fuels their own misinformation

Edited Friday at 06:45 AM by Georgealbert

[Georgealbert]

48 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Isn't high time for the FBI to raid Boeing facilities and search for these not missing paperwork's regarding the doorplug. Because that is about the only way this paper work will see the light of day. Indeed ^^ this is emerging as a coverup conspiracy. Again just how much more of these lies are going to have to be put up with.https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-whistleblower-alleges-criminal-coverup-over-737-max-blowout-2024-4

Another ‘wingnut’ cult reply, what reality are you in? Sharpe as a marble as always, makes any discussion pointless.

Edited Friday at 06:50 AM by Georgealbert

[morrobay]

In case you did not read the wingnut cult link above here is screenshot. Now who do you believe: The Whistleblower or Boeing ? If you believe Boeing then there ain't much to discuss Gus

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, morrobay said:

In case you did not read the wingnut cult link above here is screenshot. Now who do you believe: The Whistleblower or Boeing ? If you believe Boeing then there ain't much to discuss Gus

55555 is that really the best you can come up with, a 2 month old report that has been discussed on other threads. 

 

So you now choose to cherry pick your own screenshot, and missed out the parts that does not meet your agenda. (See full screenshot below).

 

Here is the full link to the full article, and again you only believe what you want from your own tunnel vision.

 

“Jennifer Homendy, the chair of the NTSB, told FlightGlobal: "I believe the whistleblower has the shipside tracker, which we already have, [and] is not the documents we are looking for."”

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-whistleblower-alleges-criminal-coverup-over-737-max-blowout-2024-4#:~:text=Boeing whistleblower claims there is,over the 737 Max blowout&text=Boeing has said there's no,whistleblower gave him these documents.

 

Let me guess you will next tell me the NTSB are wrong, are liars, are part of the conspiracy and are corrupt too!

 

Bye, as you have lost all credibility, and your repeated same opinions are not facts, as all you are now doing is using your own ignorant speculation to fuel your own misinformation and agenda.

 

 

Edited Friday at 09:43 AM by Georgealbert