placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, susanlea said: You will be dead before it becomes a problem. As usual, you've missed the point. Fossil fuels are now replaceable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, placeholder said: As usual, you've missed the point. Fossil fuels are now replaceable. Not totally and not without cost. You are not a CEO, engineer or scientist. Go back to your cheap beer and flip flops. You will be dead before renewables takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, susanlea said: Not totally and not without cost. You are not a CEO, engineer or scientist. Go back to your cheap beer and flip flops. You will be dead before renewables takeover. But here is news about a report from scientists: Getting to 100% renewables requires cheap energy storage. But how cheap? To spoil the ending: The answer is $20 per kilowatt hour in energy capacity costs. That’s how cheap storage would have to get for renewables to get to 100 percent. That’s around a 90 percent drop from today’s costs. While that is entirely within the realm of the possible, there is wide disagreement over when it might happen; few expect it by 2030. https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/9/20767886/renewable-energy-storage-cost-electricity Form Energy to begin manufacturing iron air batteries in Weirton to stabilize electrical grid https://www.wesa.fm/environment-energy/2024-02-19/weirton-form-energy-battery-manufacturing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: But here is news about a report from scientists: Getting to 100% renewables requires cheap energy storage. But how cheap? To spoil the ending: The answer is $20 per kilowatt hour in energy capacity costs. That’s how cheap storage would have to get for renewables to get to 100 percent. That’s around a 90 percent drop from today’s costs. While that is entirely within the realm of the possible, there is wide disagreement over when it might happen; few expect it by 2030. https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/9/20767886/renewable-energy-storage-cost-electricity Form Energy to begin manufacturing iron air batteries in Weirton to stabilize electrical grid https://www.wesa.fm/environment-energy/2024-02-19/weirton-form-energy-battery-manufacturing So there is wide disagreement on inferior energy sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, susanlea said: So there is wide disagreement on inferior energy sources. This is like saying there's wide disagreement about the effects of greenhouse gasses on global warming. Only if you count the ignoramuses who deny any connection between the 2. There isn't wide disagreement that the costs of solar has beaten coal for the past few years. And it's now beating gas as well. Solar Is Cheapest Energy Source Says IEA By Irina Slav - May 28, 2023, 10:00 AM CDT IEA: new solar projects are the cheapest source of power on a LCOE basis. Substantial cost related to renewables that gets overlooked on a regular basis is the need for storage capacity to offset the intermittency problem. The IEA calculates that on a value-adjusted basis—and with cost assumptions in place—solar comes in at $60 per MWh while gas is $20 more expensive at $80 per MWh. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Solar-Is-Cheapest-Energy-Source-Says-IEA.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, susanlea said: You are the one making up claims. You got destroyed. 12,000 climate deaths only. That is nothing. Scaremongering nonsense. Yeah, there are people like that: "If you don't install a ground wire for your water heater, someone is going to get electrocuted while taking a shower". "No one has died yet, I'm not spending any money on that". The future is always a surprise to people who cannot anticipate problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shdmn Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) On 4/26/2024 at 2:11 AM, connda said: Source? It's hearsay without a source that explains the big picture. Then wake me up when the Biden's, Obama's (including all the properties on Martha's Vineyard), and the Gore's properties are condemned as uninsurable - or - when the sell them and find they can't obtain title insurance. Ain't gonna happen. Impressive self-control how you managed to get through that MAGA brain fart without mentioning Soros and the Clintons. Edited May 6 by shdmn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Yeah, there are people like that: "If you don't install a ground wire for your water heater, someone is going to get electrocuted while taking a shower". "No one has died yet, I'm not spending any money on that". The future is always a surprise to people who cannot anticipate problems. Nothing over the last 20 years regarding climate has been much of a problem. Your comments are just whataboutism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: This is like saying there's wide disagreement about the effects of greenhouse gasses on global warming. Only if you count the ignoramuses who deny any connection between the 2. There isn't wide disagreement that the costs of solar has beaten coal for the past few years. And it's now beating gas as well. Solar Is Cheapest Energy Source Says IEA By Irina Slav - May 28, 2023, 10:00 AM CDT IEA: new solar projects are the cheapest source of power on a LCOE basis. Substantial cost related to renewables that gets overlooked on a regular basis is the need for storage capacity to offset the intermittency problem. The IEA calculates that on a value-adjusted basis—and with cost assumptions in place—solar comes in at $60 per MWh while gas is $20 more expensive at $80 per MWh. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Solar-Is-Cheapest-Energy-Source-Says-IEA.html Bit of a nothing post. I have no issues with using some solar products. Solar cars are terrible though and solar planes would crash. The fossil fuels are still king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, susanlea said: Bit of a nothing post. I have no issues with using some solar products. Solar cars are terrible though and solar planes would crash. The fossil fuels are still king. More irrelevant nonsense from you. Who is promoting cars or planes that run solely on solar power? And far more new renewable power plants are being built than fossil fuel power plants. At a Glance: How Renewable Energy Is Transforming the Global Electricity Supply Even as Fossil Energy Still Provides Most of the World’s Electricity, New Electricity Generating Capacity Is Dominated by Renewable Energy Projects https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/how-renewable-energy-is-transforming-the-global-electricity-supply.html Massive expansion of renewable power opens door to achieving global tripling goal set at COP28 https://www.iea.org/news/massive-expansion-of-renewable-power-opens-door-to-achieving-global-tripling-goal-set-at-cop28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 hours ago, susanlea said: Insurance companies lying and you believe them. That is just sad. Sad for the homeowners that didn't believe the science now they pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 28 minutes ago, placeholder said: More irrelevant nonsense from you. Who is promoting cars or planes that run solely on solar power? And far more new renewable power plants are being built than fossil fuel power plants. At a Glance: How Renewable Energy Is Transforming the Global Electricity Supply Even as Fossil Energy Still Provides Most of the World’s Electricity, New Electricity Generating Capacity Is Dominated by Renewable Energy Projects https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/how-renewable-energy-is-transforming-the-global-electricity-supply.html Massive expansion of renewable power opens door to achieving global tripling goal set at COP28 https://www.iea.org/news/massive-expansion-of-renewable-power-opens-door-to-achieving-global-tripling-goal-set-at-cop28 Another nothing post from a guy using fossil fuels every minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, susanlea said: You will be dead before it becomes a problem. False , it already is a problem ,you posted an article detailing the problems . You know the article you didn't fully read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, susanlea said: Another nothing post from a guy using fossil fuels every minute. "cool dudes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, charleskerins said: Sad for the homeowners that didn't believe the science now they pay. More nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, charleskerins said: False , it already is a problem ,you posted an article detailing the problems . You know the article you didn't fully read. Nothing post. You got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 41 minutes ago, susanlea said: Nothing over the last 20 years regarding climate has been much of a problem. Your comments are just whataboutism. And no one has been electrocuted in the shower, despite the water heater not being grounded. This is a classic mentality of only dealing with a problem after a disaster. Edited May 6 by Danderman123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, charleskerins said: "cool dudes" Go live in the jungle naked dude. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Danderman123 said: And no one has been electrocuted in the shower, despite the water heater not being grounded. This is a classic mentality of only dealing with a problem after a disaster. Nothing post. I'm going to the beach. Great weather again today. Enjoy sitting in your chair complaining about climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 In a couple of months, this chart will go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Danderman123 said: In a couple of months, this chart will go through the roof. Your chart shows a 0.35 increase in 26 years. I can't even feel a 0.35 increase. Neither can you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 33 degrees now, forecast rain tomorrow and a 2 degree temperature drop. Why isn't it 55 with seas 6m higher? Gore was wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 14 minutes ago, susanlea said: Nothing post. I'm going to the beach. Great weather again today. Enjoy sitting in your chair complaining about climate. it's getting closer enjoy it future generations will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 23 minutes ago, susanlea said: Another nothing post from a guy using fossil fuels every minute. One sure way to know that someone has got nothing is when they make it personal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, charleskerins said: it's getting closer enjoy it future generations will not. That's what they said 20 years ago. In 20 years time it will only be 0.3 degrees warmer which is nothing. Tomorrow is forecast to be 2 degrees cooler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, placeholder said: One sure way to know that someone has got nothing is when they make it personal. I just used your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, susanlea said: 33 degrees now, forecast rain tomorrow and a 2 degree temperature drop. Why isn't it 55 with seas 6m higher? Gore was wrong. Gore was correct “The majority of scientists have been telling us for years that the long-term warming trend greatly increases the odds that any given year will produce a much larger number of 100-degree days,” Gore said. “And that trend has been borne out over the last several years. We’ve seen records broken with regularity.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, susanlea said: That's what they said 20 years ago. In 20 years time it will only be 0.3 degrees warmer which is nothing. Tomorrow is forecast to be 2 degrees cooler. Tomorrow ? you are quite the scientist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, susanlea said: I just used your words. These are my words? "Another nothing post from a guy using fossil fuels every minute." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanlea Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, charleskerins said: Tomorrow ? you are quite the scientist Yes tomorrow. Normal people focus on today and tomorrow. Only crazies talk about 2100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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