In a first, AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare blood clots

[BigBruv]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-blood-clots-b2536898.html

 

"The World Health Organization confirmed that Covishield can have life-threatening side effects. “A very rare adverse event called Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome, involving unusual and severe blood clotting events associated with low platelet counts, has been reported after vaccination with this vaccine.”

[BigBruv]

"Safe & effective" 🤣

Edited May 1 by BigBruv

[simon43]

Very safe and very effective! Note that the report says 'a very rare adverse event...

 

According to Dr Google, your chance of getting this adverse event are about 0.003%

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Yes, the WHO acknowledged the rare potential blood clotting side effect some three years ago back in 2021, as did the various other countries using the AZ vaccine after their safety monitoring detected the problem --  so rare that it hadn't surfaced in the AZ's clinic trials.... a very very small risk that in some cases could be fatal. Nothing new for anyone who's been modestly paying attention.

 

And that's in part what led to the Pfizer and Moderna COVID mRNA vaccines becoming the primary ones in the world, and the AZ vaccine being not approved (U.S.A.) or phased out (U.K., Australia etc.) in various countries around the world.

 

But people need to keep these things in context.

 

There were about 50 million AZ doses given in the UK, and thus far there have been somewhere between 60 and 80 reported fatalities. So if you use the higher number, that equates to one side effects fatality per 625,000 AZ vaccine doses there for a vaccine that's no longer even used in the UK. The risk was extremely small.

 

Then balance against the following benefits:

Oxford vaccine saved most lives in its first year of rollout

"As a result of this commitment to ensuring global and equitable access, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine saved 6.3 million lives in the first year of the global vaccine rollout – the most out of all the vaccines in circulation at the time."

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-07-15-oxford-vaccine-saved-most-lives-its-first-year-rollout

 

And for COVID vaccines in general in the UK:

 

Covid vaccines saved more than 400,000 lives in England and Scotland, WHO says

 

The study is the most comprehensive to date in showing how effective Covid vaccines have been, scientists say

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-vaccines-saved-lives-england-scotland-who-2862550

 

The bottom line is, the AZ vaccine saved vastly more lives that it lost thru the rare blood clotting side effect. And people's risks of health problems or fatality back then were far higher from COVID than from the AZ vaccine.

 

The UK's death toll from COVID, even after the vaccines, ended up being more than 230,000 people lost due to COVID illness. The AZ vaccine side effects pale in comparison.

 

[0ffshore360]

Confirmation of my personal opinion and as a recipient of the AZ vaccine thankful not to have been a lab rat for mRNA .

Yes I and my wife got covid  despite two shots but very mildly. And since and currently surrounded by the new wave of  mild infections supposedly attributed to covid post Songkran travels.\Perhaps inexplicably the many recipients of the locals who were only  given the Chinese  vaccine have experienced similar outcome.

Not so a male partner of extended family who recieved mRNA in Bangkok and is now progressively wasting away with no medical explanation  provided to him .

 

 

[transam]

9 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

 

Yes, I am quite happy with my jabs, I am still alive.............

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

One other fact that was noted in the OP article deserves attention, especially for newcomers to the topic.

 

1.  The rare blood clots being discussed above also can and do occur in the absence of the AZ and any similar vaccine, due to a wide range of medical conditions, including the COVID disease itself.

 

As AZ is quoted saying in the article:

“Further, TTS can also occur in the absence of the AZ vaccine (or any vaccine). Causation in any individual case will be a matter for expert evidence,” it added.

 

There are some pretty sophisticated blood tests that can be done to help narrow down the likely cause of these kinds of clots, whether vaccine related or not. But just experiencing blood clots after a vaccination doesn't automatically mean the vaccination was the cause.

 

[stoner]

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

your chance of getting this adverse event are about 0.003%

 

that number is also close to your chance of dying from covid. statistically speaking.  

 

 

Edited May 1 by stoner

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said:

my wife got covid  despite two shots but very mildly

 

 

So like a mild cold right?

Any difference?

[BigBruv]

58 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

especially for newcomers to the topic.

 

 

Your 'covid' 'vaccines' went from:

 

100% effective - you won't catch covid if you get a vaccine

to 

You need a regular booster every 3 months or covid could still kill you to

to 

they might help

to

AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare blood clots

 

If you have any pattern recognition ability (doubtful) you'll be able to predict what the reports next year will be.

 

BTW, are you saying up to date with your boosters?

 

[mommysboy]

Sadly young people were most at risk of TTS, but as we know now were the least likely to die from Covid. It's debatable whether they even needed a vaccine. Still, it's easy to be wise after the event. The AZ jab saved countless old lives. TTS is a very rare reaction to so called vector vaccines. Overall, the AZ vaccine was as safe/dangerous as any of them.

[mommysboy]

7 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Your 'covid' 'vaccines' went from:

 

100% effective - you won't catch covid if you get a vaccine

to 

You need a regular booster every 3 months or covid could still kill you to

to 

they might help

to

AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare blood clots

 

If you have any pattern recognition ability (doubtful) you'll be able to predict what the reports next year will be.

 

BTW, are you saying up to date with your boosters?

 

If not, was it the Ukraine war (another big money laundering opp/grift) which killed off covid?

 

 

As the virus mutates so the vaccine needs to be updated.  When an updated virus tackles the mutation it was designed for, immunity is near 100%. Make no mistake, all the western vaccines provided very high protection from serious illness and death in older age groups.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

57 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

that number is also close to your chance of dying from covid. statistically speaking. 

 

 

Not back in 2021 (technically started Dec. 2020) when the UK began using the AZ vaccine, and COVID deaths were piling up almost faster than the government could count them.

 

UK to roll out Astra/Oxford COVID vaccine after world-first approval

By Reuters, December 30, 2020

 

LONDON, Dec 30 (Reuters) - Britain on Wednesday became the first country to approve the coronavirus vaccine developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca (AZN.L), opens new tab, hoping that rapid action will help it stem a record surge of infections driven by a highly contagious form of the virus.

...

INFECTIONS SOAR

Britain has already registered over 70,000 deaths from COVID-19. On Tuesday it reported a record one-day jump of 53,135 new coronavirus infections, and it fears hospitals will soon become overstretched in their peak winter months.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/uk-roll-out-astraoxford-covid-vaccine-after-world-first-approval-2020-12-30/

 

AND then later

 

"Work by the UK Health Security Agency and the University of Cambridge Medical Research Council Biostatistics Unit suggests that roughly 127,500 deaths were prevented by the Covid vaccination programme in England, up to 24 September 2021."

 

https://fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccines-saved-many-lives/

 

Edited May 1 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stoner]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not back in 2021 when the UK began using the AZ vaccine, and COVID deaths were piling up faster than the government could count them.

 

good thing it is now 2024. those numbers are the past. talk about now or don't bother. we all know what happened.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

good thing it is now 2024. those numbers are the past. talk about now or don't bother. we all know what happened.

 

 Except when you start trying to compare the much lesser COVID death rates of today with the crisis that was occurring as the vaccines rolled out in late 2020 and early 2021.

 

Edited May 1 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 Except when you start trying to compare the much lesser COVID death rates of today with the crisis that was occurring as the vaccines rolled out in late 2020 and early 2021.

 

 

except i am not. what i am saying is that even in the height of covid only .001 or so of the population died (even if you 3x the total covid deaths to over 20 million plus it still only comes in at .003). so i compared that to the adverse effect percentage of .003

 

not sure why you are having a hard time understanding that. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

22 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

except i am not. what i am saying is that even in the height of covid only .001 or so of the population died (even if you 3x the total covid deaths to over 20 million plus it still only comes in at .003). so i compared that to the adverse effect percentage of .003

 

not sure why you are having a hard time understanding that. 

 

Your math and stats are far off.

 

The UK had a population of about 67 million in 2020, and suffered 230,000+ COVID deaths cumulatively.

 

That works out to a cumulative death rate of 0.34% of the population.

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/2020

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

 

If you're trying to talk about an overall COVID case fatality rate for the UK (deaths out of total cases), that would be just under 1% based on the above stats.

 

But that's the cumulative CFR for the entire pandemic in the UK. The real time rates would have been a whole lot higher back in 2021 vs being a whole lot lower later in 2023 and 2024.

 

 

 

 

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[stoner]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Your math and stats are far off.

 

The UK had a population of about 67 million in 2020, and suffered 230,000+ COVID deaths cumulatively.

 

That works out to a cumulative death rate of 0.34% of the population.

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/2020

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

 

If you're trying to talk about an overall COVID case fatality rate for the UK (deaths out of total cases), that would be just under 1% based on the above stats.

 

But that's the cumulative CFR for the entire pandemic in the UK. The real time rates would have been a whole lot higher back in 2021 vs being a whole lot lower later in 2023 and 2024.

 

 

 

 

 

now you are just cherry picking john. maybe i should of been more clear by population. i mean our entire species. run the numbers again you will see i am pretty spot on. 

 

how many human beings died total from covid vs the total population. then 3x that number of total deaths world wide and it is still within the ranges i was originally referring to. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The thread here, from top to bottom, is about the UK and its experience with the AZ vaccine...
 

Study shows risk of blood clots is far greater from coronavirus than the vaccine

 

A study by the University of Oxford shows that having Covid-19 puts you at a much higher risk of developing dangerous blood clots than the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines.

...

The study, based on the health records of 29.1 million people in England, suggests while there is a slightly increased risk of developing low platelet levels and blood clots in the veins after a first dose of AstraZeneca, being infected with the virus raises this risk much more, and for longer.

 

The researchers estimate that for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain.

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

 

 

Risk of thrombocytopenia and thromboembolism after covid-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 positive testing: self-controlled case series study

 

BMJ 2021; 374 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1931 (Published 27 August 2021)

 

Conclusion Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931

 

But don't expect some of the anti-vax leaning UK news reports to acknowledge that fact.

 

 

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[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A study by the University of Oxford shows that having Covid-19 puts you at a much higher risk of developing dangerous blood clots than the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines.

...

 

Clear conflict of interest: Pfizer funds Oxford Uni: https://www.medsci.ox.ac.uk/for-staff/resources/business-partnerships-office/research-alliances/research-alliance-with-pfizer

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

But don't expect some of the anti-vax leaning UK news reports to acknowledge that fact.

 

 

 

Also worthwhile being aware that the Astrazeneca jab referred to in the OP was also known as the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine

(the Oxford refers to the same Oxford University whose study you have cited).

 

Whilst vax injuries may be rare, they can also be HORRIFIC as per the case of Lisa Shaw:

 

"Shaw,...started complaining of headaches a few days after her vaccination. She eventually visited a hospital A&E department in Durham, where she was diagnosed with a blood clot.

She was transferred to the Royal Victoria Infirmary where she received a number of treatments, including cutting away part of her skull to relieve the pressure on her brain, but despite those efforts she died on 21 May"

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds

 

Dismissing accounts like these does a disservice to readers imho.

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[Robert Paulson]

On 5/1/2024 at 6:45 PM, simon43 said:

Very safe and very effective! Note that the report says 'a very rare adverse event...

 

According to Dr Google, your chance of getting this adverse event are about 0.003%

If it’s so safe and effective why is booster uptake abysmal? I guess people are just stupid; they’re gonna die but ahh, what the heck you know, no big deal

[Robert Paulson]

I seriously wanna know on what planet it can be commonly thought that a medicine nobody is taking is some kind of life saving medicine. 
 

let me help here a little, or maybe watching “outbreak” could help: if there is a safe and effective medicine people will be banging down doors to get at it. No shunning it. Not wishing they never took the original in the first place. 

[BigBruv]

15 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

If it’s so safe and effective why is booster uptake abysmal? I guess people are just stupid; they’re gonna die but ahh, what the heck you know, no big deal

 

I think they all know now but won't admit it publicly.

 

Cognitive Dissonance is described as the mental discomfort people feel when their beliefs and actions are inconsistent and contradictory, ultimately making them change one factor (either their beliefs or actions) to align better.

 

 

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[Robert Paulson]

14 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

I think they all know now but won't admit it publicly.

 

Cognitive Dissonance is described as the mental discomfort people feel when their beliefs and actions are inconsistent and contradictory, ultimately making them change one factor (either their beliefs or actions) to align better.

 

 

It’s too painful to acknowledge the truth

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Lots of people around the world are continuing to receive COVID vaccinations, especially in the higher risk groups. For example:

 

Latest update from the US CDC says 41+% of adults age 65 and above (the highest risk population) have received the updated monovalent XBB vaccine for fall 2023-spring 2024.

 

Source:

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-children.html

 

Last November in the UK, the NHS reported 11.4 million COVID vaccinations had administered in England since the start of the autumn 2023 campaign, including with 61.5 percent of people aged 65 and over having received a COVID jab.

 

Then in December, NHS reported that an estimated 81.4% of all care home residents, and 89.5% of all eligible care home residents, have been vaccinated with an autumn booster.

 

The spring 2024 COVID vaccinations campaign in the UK just recently got underway.

 

1.3 million COVID vaccinations for targeted older and at-risk groups in the past two weeks:

 

 

 

Source:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

 

With the latest update above, NHS also reported that the UK's cumulative number of COVID vaccinations since the start of the pandemic now stands at 162.5 million.

 

And no, the UK isn't using the AZ vaccine anymore.

 

 

Edited May 3 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Robert Paulson]

Have no chance at dying from covid? Take the shot and give yourself a chance. Makes perfect sense 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Try keeping up, or at least paying attention. No chance? UK COVID deaths lately were running more than 100 per week, along with more than 1,000 weekly new COVID hospitalizations.

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

[Robert Paulson]

On 5/1/2024 at 7:49 PM, stoner said:

 

that number is also close to your chance of dying from covid. statistically speaking.  

 

 

Nevermind that. Just take the shot. No researching on your own. Get with the program. 

[BigBruv]

13 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Have no chance at dying from covid? Take the shot and give yourself a chance. Makes perfect sense 

 

 

Bottom line is, these 'vaccines' are new.

Dictionary definitions have been changed to incorporate them.

 

Since they are *new* there can be no long term safety data until the long term happens.

 

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