In a first, AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare blood clots

[richard_smith237]

Thrombocytopenia - which is the blood plateless falling out of suspension and causing a clot, as opposed to thick blood causing a clot in the convention sense of Thormbosis.... 

 

This is not a new thing with vaccines or many injections...     its very rare, but the numbers with which the Covid vaccines were administered there would of course be some with adverse effects... 

 

And... these 'adverse' effects are not to the vaccine (antigen) itself, but the 'other items' within the vaccines, such as Adjuvants, Diluents,  Stabilisers, Preservatives etc...  most vaccines are actually very similar in makeup...  it is the antigen itself that is the differing factor....  

... I don't think it is the antigen itself that causes Thrombocytopenia (also known as VITT - Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia), but the other 'ingredients'.. 

 

 

[Robert Paulson]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thrombocytopenia - which is the blood plateless falling out of suspension and causing a clot, as opposed to thick blood causing a clot in the convention sense of Thormbosis.... 

 

This is not a new thing with vaccines or many injections...     its very rare, but the numbers with which the Covid vaccines were administered there would of course be some with adverse effects... 

 

And... these 'adverse' effects are not to the vaccine (antigen) itself, but the 'other items' within the vaccines, such as Adjuvants, Diluents,  Stabilisers, Preservatives etc...  most vaccines are actually very similar in makeup...  it is the antigen itself that is the differing factor....  

... I don't think it is the antigen itself that causes Thrombocytopenia (also known as VITT - Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia), but the other 'ingredients'.. 

 

 

Long term adverse events are not even known yet. Yet here you are claiming the vaccines don’t, or won’t, have any. Nice post. Wrong again. 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Long term adverse events are not even known yet. Yet here you are claiming the vaccines don’t, or won’t, have any. Nice post. Wrong again. 

 

Read again... this time with a little reading comprehension and take your foot off the clutch a little more slowly to prevent you from wheel-spinning into the curb... 

 

... I've not claimed that vaccines don't or won't have any 'long term adverse events' (effects) at all...   I have pointed out that Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia is not caused solely by the AZ vaccine and that other vaccines, not related to Covid can also cause this complication.... 

 

 

 

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Long term adverse events are not even known yet.

They obviously have a time machine...but are keeping it under wraps for 70 years due to commercial confidentiality 😋

[BigBruv]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I have pointed out that Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia is not caused solely by the AZ vaccine and that other vaccines, not related to Covid can also cause this complication.... 

 

 

Which other vaccines cause thrombotic thrombocytopenia in addition to the AZ - is it all of them or just a couple you can list?

 

Can you get it from traditional vaccines (see pre-2015 definition below) or just the NEW ones (mrna etc.) which have NO long term safety records (on account of them being new)?

 

NB. Pre-2015 mrnas did NOT exist hence the definitions were changed to incorporate them.

The concept of 'Fully vaccinated' (ie. needing multiple continual shots every 3-6 months to qualify as 'fully vaccinated') is also a new thing.

 

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The rare blood clotting with low platelet levels problem, informally known as TTS, can be caused by many different conditions, not just viral vector vaccines, and with quite a few different causes more frequent than those vaccine-related (which are rated below as "rare"), as laid out in the following study from March 2024:

4.1.3. Thrombocytopenia with thrombosis syndrome (TTS)

TTS has many possible causes which vary in frequency and pathogenesis which can be immune-mediated or non-immune-mediated (Table 3) [29]. VITT is in the category of immune-mediated entities. Some of the conditions in Table 3 can be easily recognised clinically, whereas others are more difficult to diagnose and may require specific laboratory assays.

 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24000574

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And there's plenty of evidence that COVID infections themselves can lead to greater and more frequent blood clotting problems than from the viral vector vaccines:

 

COVID-19 and the Blood

 

Last updated July 11, 2023

 

"Some people with COVID-19 develop abnormal blood clots, including in the smallest blood vessels. The clots may also form in multiple places in the body, including in the lungs. This unusual clotting may cause different complications, including organ damage, heart attack and stroke.

 

Researchers think the clotting may be triggered by the high levels of inflammation caused by the SARS-CoV-2 infection. A high level of inflammation can affect multiple organs and result in severe disease.  In children and teens, this high inflammation is called multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), and it can particularly affect the heart.

 

People who already have damage to the blood vessels from diabetes or high blood pressure may be at higher risk of developing blood clots. In addition, some chronic health conditions may impact how COVID-19 affects your body, including your blood vessels."

 

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/covid/blood

 

 

Thrombosis (blood clots) with Thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS): During thrombosis, blood clots form and block the blood vessels. In thrombocytopenia, there are low numbers of platelets cells that help blood clot. This can cause internal bleeding. These issues were reported in a small number of cases after more than 12 million doses (Johnson & Johnson and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines).

 

These conditions can be life-threatening if untreated. Most cases have occurred one to two weeks after vaccination in women, ages 18 to 49. If you get a COVID-19 infection, the risk of thrombosis is greater than you would get from the vaccine. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jude/stories/making-a-difference/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-how-common-are-they.html

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And more:

Blood Clotting, COVID-19 and Vaccines

"Blood clotting is a well-recognized complication of SARS-CoV-2 infection. It has also been identified as an extremely rare side effect of certain COVID-19 vaccines. The risk with vaccines is exceedingly low and individuals are at a significantly higher risk of developing a blood clot from COVID-19 infection than following COVID-19 vaccination." [emphasis added]

What is the link between blood clots and COVID-19?

The association between COVID-19 and blood clots was recognized early in the pandemic among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. These patients experienced blood clots both in deep veins and arteries, which sometimes led to strokes and heart attacks. Although these conditions have mostly been seen in patients with severe COVID-19 illness, people with non-severe illness have also developed blood clots.

...

If deciding whether a COVID-19 vaccine is worth the risk, Abou-Ismail tells his patients that ”mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are safe in patients with a history of blood clots or increased risk factors. The risk of developing a blood clot from COVID-19 infection is far higher than getting a blood clot from a COVID-19 vaccine.”

 

https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2022/09/blood-clotting-covid-19-and-vaccines

 

[BigBruv]

 

Blood clots from a coronavirus?

 

Sorry, not buying it.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The 50 some plaintiffs here who are claiming injury from the AZ vaccine are entitled to their day in court. And if their injuries are proven to be related to the vaccines they received, then they should be entitled to just compensation under the law. Any such death or injury is tragic and regrettable.

 

But despite all the nonsense from anti-vaxers, virtually any medication or treatment taken -- even the ones we use every day in life -- have the potential for causing rare or very rare and potentially serious side effects. (Listen to the side effects warnings on virtually any drug medication commercial you see on TV.) But those medicines are still licensed and used, because they're needed, and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

 

In this instance, we're talking about 50+ plaintiffs out of about 50 MILLION AstraZeneca vaccine doses administered in the U.K., mostly back in 2021, and COVID vaccines in total in the U.K. having been credited with saving some 400,000 lives during the pandemic. (sources for all cited above in prior posts in this thread).  That's literally the definition of rare, very rare.

 

[Amethyst]

An off-topic post relating to the U.S. has been removed, along with posts with unsourced claims.

 

The AZ vaccine was never approved or used in the U.S., and the thread topic here is entirely about the AZ vaccine's use in the U.K.

 

[Robert Paulson]

2 hours ago, johng said:

They obviously have a time machine...but are keeping it under wraps for 70 years due to commercial confidentiality 😋

Pfizer and cdc told them so, so it’s solid info 

 

[Robert Paulson]

30 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Blood clots from a coronavirus?

 

Sorry, not buying it.

 

 

No thinking or research allowed. Just absorb what is being fed to you. 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BigBruv said:

 

Which other vaccines cause thrombotic thrombocytopenia in addition to the AZ - is it all of them or just a couple you can list?

 

Can you get it from traditional vaccines (see pre-2015 definition below) or just the NEW ones (mrna etc.) which have NO long term safety records (on account of them being new)?

 

NB. Pre-2015 mrnas did NOT exist hence the definitions were changed to incorporate them.

The concept of 'Fully vaccinated' (ie. needing multiple continual shots every 3-6 months to qualify as 'fully vaccinated') is also a new thing.

 

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AZ is not an MRNA vaccine...  its a viral vector vaccine....          

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BigBruv said:

 

Blood clots from a coronavirus?

 

Sorry, not buying it.

 

 

Buy it...   

 

Conventional thrombosis can occur from dehydration and can be a symptom of influenza, a regular house hold cold etc - the more unwell a person is or the greater the severity of their symptoms the more likely they are to suffer dehydration - that in itself is a leading cause of Thrombosis...   

 

Note: Thrombosis and thrombocytopenia are both blood clots of different types - in simple terms, one is the thickening of the blood, the later is platelets falling out of suspension due to localised 'thinning' and causing a blockage themselves.

 

So...  while Covid-19 may not directly cause conventional Thrombosis directly the risk is elevated due to symptomatic factors. 

 

Statistically 1 in 4 people will have thrombotic event in their lifetime (DVT, PE, Stroke etc)...         after your LB and Indian Thread comment, its possible you may well be suffering an event right now !!!.. 

[BigBruv]

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

AZ is not an MRNA vaccine...  its a viral vector vaccine....          

 

 

 

Thanks 

Which other vaccines cause thrombotic thrombocytopenia in addition to the AZ - is it all of them or just a couple you can list?

 

Can you get it from traditional vaccines (pre-2015) or just the NEW ones (mrna ***ETC***.) which have NO long term safety records (on account of them being new)?

 

The concept of 'Fully vaccinated' (ie. needing multiple continual shots every 3-6 months to qualify as 'fully vaccinated') is also a new thing.

 

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Thanks 

Which other vaccines cause thrombotic thrombocytopenia in addition to the AZ - is it all of them or just a couple you can list?

 

Can you get it from traditional vaccines (pre-2015) or just the NEW ones (mrna ***ETC***.) which have NO long term safety records (on account of them being new)?

 

The concept of 'Fully vaccinated' (ie. needing multiple continual shots every 3-6 months to qualify as 'fully vaccinated') is also a new thing.

 

 

 

Known as VITP or VIPIT before Covid when it was also termed VITT...   and has been reported following vaccination against infectious agents such as measles-mumps-rubella, Haemophilus influenzae, pneumococcus, hepatitis B virus, human papilloma virus, varicella-zoster virus and polio virus....

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The increased risk of TTS blood clotting has NOT been associated with COVID mRNA vaccines, only the COVID viral vector vaccines like AstraZeneca, where the risk was discovered shortly after the AZ vaccine went mass market. Because the blood clotting problem was so rare, it did not surface in the clinical trials for the AZ vaccine.

 

Do COVID-19 vaccines cause blood clots?

"The Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccines have not been shown to increase the risk of blood clots in multiple studies. However, two COVID-19 vaccines are associated with an extremely rare syndrome known as vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT). It was discovered in March 2021 in connection to the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and then later with the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. In rare cases—2 to 20 per million—antibodies that the body produces as a side effect of the vaccine lead to uncontrolled activation of platelets. This causes both low platelet counts and blood clots to form."

 

https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2022/09/blood-clotting-covid-19-and-vaccines

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

40 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So...  while Covid-19 may not directly cause conventional Thrombosis directly the risk is elevated due to symptomatic factors. 

 

The feds seem to be saying, and other research I've read, that COVID infections do directly cause blood clotting problems, as posted above, per the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute:

 

COVID-19 and the Blood

 

Last updated July 11, 2023

 

"Some people with COVID-19 develop abnormal blood clots, including in the smallest blood vessels. The clots may also form in multiple places in the body, including in the lungs. This unusual clotting may cause different complications, including organ damage, heart attack and stroke.

 

Researchers think the clotting may be triggered by the high levels of inflammation caused by the SARS-CoV-2 infection. A high level of inflammation can affect multiple organs and result in severe disease.  In children and teens, this high inflammation is called multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), and it can particularly affect the heart.

 

People who already have damage to the blood vessels from diabetes or high blood pressure may be at higher risk of developing blood clots. In addition, some chronic health conditions may impact how COVID-19 affects your body, including your blood vessels."

 

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/covid/blood

[BigBruv]

39 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The feds seem to be saying, and other research I've read, that COVID infections do directly cause blood clotting problems, as posted above, per the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute:

 

COVID-19 and the Blood

 

Last updated July 11, 2023

 

"Some people with COVID-19 develop abnormal blood clots, including in the smallest blood vessels. The clots may also form in multiple places in the body, including in the lungs. This unusual clotting may cause different complications, including organ damage, heart attack and stroke.

 

Researchers think the clotting may be triggered by the high levels of inflammation caused by the SARS-CoV-2 infection. A high level of inflammation can affect multiple organs and result in severe disease.  In children and teens, this high inflammation is called multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), and it can particularly affect the heart.

 

People who already have damage to the blood vessels from diabetes or high blood pressure may be at higher risk of developing blood clots. In addition, some chronic health conditions may impact how COVID-19 affects your body, including your blood vessels."

 

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/covid/blood

 

 

Would again point out that the universities you've used as data sources (Oxford, Utah) receive funding from the likes of Astrazeneca (who partnered Oxford uni to create the AZ vax) and Pfizer etc. so not sure you can take their studies at face value (I don't) as there's a clear financial conflict of interest.

 

e.g.

https://uofuhealth.utah.edu/news/2023/08/pfizer-grant-educational-programs-post-covid-conditions Grant Amount: Up to $300,000

 

Also applies to the CDC: https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/4797/CDC-Pressed-to-Acknowledge-Industry-Funding

 

"The CDC has accepted millions of dollars through the CDC Foundation, according to the groups behind the petition.

During fiscal years 2014 through 2018, the CDC Foundation received $79.6 million from companies like Pfizer, Biogen, and Merck. Since it was created by Congress in 1995, the nonprofit organization has accepted $161 million from corporations.

Public Citizen, Knowledge Ecology International, Liberty Coalition, Project on Government Oversight, and U.S. Right to Know filed the petition."

 

Don't bite the hand that feed you appLIES here imho.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

34 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

 

Would again point out that the universities you've used as data sources (Oxford, Utah) receive funding from the likes of Astrazeneca (who partnered Oxford uni to create the AZ vax) and Pfizer etc. so not sure you can take their studies at face value (I don't) as there's a clear financial conflict of interest.

 

e.g.

https://uofuhealth.utah.edu/news/2023/08/pfizer-grant-educational-programs-post-covid-conditions Grant Amount: Up to $300,000

 

The above grant was to study post COVID conditions, ie, Long COVID. Nothing to do with vaccine research or vaccine related blood clotting.

 

 

34 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Also applies to the CDC: https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/4797/CDC-Pressed-to-Acknowledge-Industry-Funding

 

"The CDC has accepted millions of dollars through the CDC Foundation, according to the groups behind the petition.

During fiscal years 2014 through 2018, the CDC Foundation received $79.6 million from companies like Pfizer, Biogen, and Merck. Since it was created by Congress in 1995, the nonprofit organization has accepted $161 million from corporations.

Public Citizen, Knowledge Ecology International, Liberty Coalition, Project on Government Oversight, and U.S. Right to Know filed the petition."

 

Don't bite the hand that feed you appLIES here imho.

 

 

That issue with the CDC foundation was many years ago, long before the COVID pandemic, as your citation notes. And to the best of my knowledge, Pfizer in recent years has not provided any meaningful financial funding to the CDC Foundation -- which is a separate entity from the CDC.

 

In its 2022 year donor funding report, Pfizer was listed as contributing between $1000 and $9,999 to the CDC Foundation.

 

https://www.cdcfoundation.org/FY2022/donors?group=corp

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Here's another one for you pointing to viral vector, not mRNA:

4.3.1. Epidemiology of VITT including vaccine-associated causality

Two adenoviral vector-based vaccines have been implicated in VITT: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (produced by AstraZeneca, University of Oxford, Serum Institute of India); and Ad26.COV2.S (produced by Janssen, Johnson & Johnson) [34]. There are limited data available for the Gam-COVID-Vac/Sputnik V vaccine (produced by Gamaleya Institute), though cases of possible VITT have been reported related to this vaccine [35]. A single case of possible VITT has been reported related to the mRNA-1273 vaccine (produced by Moderna) and another related to the Gardasil 9 vaccine for human papillomavirus [36], [37]. Caution should be used in interpreting these discrete cases since they may represent the background rate of spontaneous heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (which also involves platelet activating anti-PF4-IgG), viral-infection associated VITT, or other types of TTS also unrelated to vaccination [21], [23], [38], [39].

.....

 

Declaration of competing interest

The authors declare that they have no known competing financial interests or personal relationships that could have appeared to influence the work reported in this paper.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24000574

 

 

[BigBruv]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The above grant was to study post COVID conditions, ie, Long COVID. Nothing to do with vaccine research or vaccine related blood clotting.

 

 

 

That issue with the CDC foundation was many years ago, long before the COVID pandemic, as your citation notes. And to the best of my knowledge, Pfizer in recent years has not provided any meaningful financial funding to the CDC Foundation -- which is a separate entity from the CDC.

 

In its 2022 year donor funding report, Pfizer was listed as contributing between $1000 and $9,999 to the CDC Foundation.

 

https://www.cdcfoundation.org/FY2022/donors?group=corp

 

 

More than HALF of CDC staff leave to work for Big Pharma and 'revolving door' of workers at public agency makes it vulnerable to corruption,

report warns

 

 

More than half of Centers for Disease Control (CDC) staff go on to work for big pharma, a first-of-its-kind report has found.

The analysis found that, between 2004 and 2020, 54 percent of workers who left the agency for another job moved into the private health sector.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12483423/HALF-CDC-staff-lobby-Big-Pharma.html

 

Help us out now and we'll make sure you get a good job?

Conflict of interest?

 

Plausible

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More irrelevancy:

 

I haven't cited any CDC sources or research relating to the AZ vaccine's use in the UK and TTS. The AZ vaccine was never approved or used in the U.S., so citing a report about the U.S. CDC's past employment history details is pretty irrelevant to this UK-focused topic.

 

Frankly, if your "help us out" allegation had any merit, then the AZ vaccine should have been approved in the U.S. But it wasn't. Because the data wasn't there to support its approval. And the CDC and the FDA acted on the data (or lack thereof).

 

That's called following the science.

 

Government vaccine advisers say they don’t foresee AstraZeneca vaccine being used in the US

 

April 9, 2021

 

(CNN)  — Vaccine advisers to the federal government tell CNN they don’t foresee AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine being used in the United States, and even if it were offered, they personally wouldn’t take it, given the other available options.

 

At one point, hopes had been high for AstraZeneca’s vaccine, with the US pledging to invest up to $1.2 billion in the vaccine.

 

But questions arose about the accuracy of AstraZeneca’s data, and even more significantly, on Wednesday, European drug regulators said there was a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots. Some countries – more than 70 have authorized the shot – have now limited its use."

 

(more)

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/health/vaccine-advisers-astrazeneca-us/index.html

Then later:

 

AstraZeneca withdraws US COVID vaccine application, shifts focus to antibody treatments

 

Nov 10, 2022

 

After missing the boat for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccines, AstraZeneca has finally pulled the plug on efforts to sell its shot in the U.S. 

 

AstraZeneca has decided to withdraw its application for COVID vaccine Vaxzevria with the FDA, CEO Pascal Soriot told reporters during a press briefing Thursday. The U.S. market is already well supplied, and the demand for vaccines is declining, Soriot said.

 

Because the FDA has already fully approved mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, the agency’s emergency use authorization pathway for other vaccines is closed. Given the two mRNA shots have already become entrenched players in the U.S., there’s little room left for Vaxzevria in the market.

 

(more)

 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/astrazeneca-withdraws-us-covid-vaccine-application-focus-shifts-antibody-treatments

 

[BigBruv]

The sources you've used as information sources IN THIS THREAD (Oxford Uni, Uni of Utah) take $$$$$$ from big pharma.

Clear conflict of interest yet you quote them as if they are infallible and gospel truth.

 

Over half of CDC regulators go to work for big pharma - If you want to rely on them as a data source good luck. 

You 'll probably need it...

 

Remember:

The pharmaceutical industry is dangerous to health. Further proof with COVID-19

"The COVID-19 period highlights a huge problem that has been developing for decades, the control of science by industry.

In the 1950s, the tobacco industry set the example, which the pharmaceutical industry followed.

Since then, the latter has been regularly condemned for illegal marketing, misrepresentation of experimental results, dissimulation of information about the dangers of drugs, and considered as criminal.

Therefore, this study was conducted to show that knowledge is powerfully manipulated by harmful corporations, whose goals are: 1/financial; 2/to suppress our ability to make choices to acquire global control of public health."

 

Source:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9610448/

 

& 'The science' is a misnomer - science is a continual process - REAL Science is based on scepticism.

 

The data sources you rely on (Oxford Uni, Uni of Utah) take money from the people they are supposed to be keeping in check as evidenced by links I provided earlier in the thread.

Fox is guarding the henhouse 👍

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

Source:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9610448/

 

"Fabien Deruelle, PhD, Independent Researcher, Ronchin, France."

 

"independent  researcher" -- a guy who has no background or credentials on the pharma topic he's writing on.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Fabien-Deruelle

 

He's really more into conspiracy theory stuff like:

 

"For a half century, the military has been developing technologies to turn climate and extreme environmental phenomena into weapons."

 

AND

 

"Are persistent aircraft trails a threat to the environment and health?"

 

AND

 

"Conflicts of interest and political lies are used to hide the truth about the dangers of electromagnetic pollution."

 

And you're complaining about my sources......

 

[cmjl]

We can all be blinded by science if it suits our way of thinking

 

I have a friend who is a computer nerd who is also classed as very vulnerable due to severe health problems,guess what,he did a lot of digging/research and he refused to be vaccinated,he has also had covid and lived to tell the tale.

 

We all have to die at some point,it's in our DNA,those of us who have reached 3 score and 10 are living on borrowed time,enjoy your life while you can,there are worse things to catch than covid.

[BigBruv]

2 minutes ago, cmjl said:

We can all be blinded by science if it suits our way of thinking

 

I have a friend who is a computer nerd who is also classed as very vulnerable due to severe health problems,guess what,he did a lot of digging/research and he refused to be vaccinated,he has also had covid and lived to tell the tale.

 

We all have to die at some point,it's in our DNA,those of us who have reached 3 score and 10 are living on borrowed time,enjoy your life while you can,there are worse things to catch than covid.

 

 

I agree. imho 'covid' is the 'Bigfoot' of diseases.

Symptoms are in line with flu or colds - unless you include the most common covid symptoms (no symptoms + positive 'test')

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

There's no evidence that Flu and colds are killing 100+ people per week like COVID still is in the UK. Nor putting another 1,100+ per week into the hospital for COVID...

 

And this ONE week of 100+ COVID deaths just recently in the UK is more than ALL of the documented AZ vaccine-related deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic 4+ years ago, per the prior reporting above in this thread by The Telegraph.

 

But of course, The Telegraph in their AZ reporting never talks about the UK's total number of COVID deaths (320,000+), or the number of UK lives saved by vaccines (estimated at 400,000+), or even that the AZ injury cases come from almost 50 million AZ doses that were given in the UK.  Why would that be? (all stats previously cited/sourced in this thread).

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

 

[BigBruv]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

"Fabien Deruelle, PhD, Independent Researcher, Ronchin, France."

 

"independent  researcher" -- a guy who has no background or credentials on the pharma topic he's writing on.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Fabien-Deruelle

 

He's really more into conspiracy theory stuff like:

 

"For a half century, the military has been developing technologies to turn climate and extreme environmental phenomena into weapons."

 

AND

 

"Are persistent aircraft trails a threat to the environment and health?"

 

AND

 

"Conflicts of interest and political lies are used to hide the truth about the dangers of electromagnetic pollution."

 

And you're complaining about my sources......

 

 

Problem is Big pHarma makes money from sick people.

& their business is solely to make money

More sick people = more money = harmful drugs = more money (esp. if they can avoid prosecution / compensation

(they have legal immunity in the case of vaccines / mrna type shots))