Britain Pledges £3 Billion Annual Military Support to Ukraine Indefinitely

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Excogitator said:

Indeed it's a bad situation.

However, as long as the brave Ukrainians are willing to fight for their lives against the forces of totalitarianism and oppression, in defence of our shared values and safety, we owe it to them to give them all the support they could possibly need.

 

Personally I would like to see NATO acting as Ukraines airforce, defending Ukraines airspace and territorial integrity (not attacking russian territory though). Several russian missiles have crossed over and landed on NATO territory during his conflict, and russian officials have already declared NATO their enemy.

 

That could really turn the tide of the war in Ukraines favour, and help them drive Putins army of rapists and murderers off their land, but it would mean playing a serious game of chicken with a Putin, who may or may not be of a sane and sound mind..

I’m a bit gobsmacked (though not confused) by your comments. The brave Ukrainians are not fighting to defend your safety and values (even though that’s why Zelensky says as he wants more aid) but for their own survival. 
 

I know of one incident when one Ukrainian air defence missile fell into a field in Poland, killing a couple of civilians. I don’t recall reading about Russian missiles landing in NATO territory. Could you remind me of such instances?

 

Regarding NATO troops in Ukraine, even the foreign minister of the UK, Lord Cameron says such a move will be a dangerous escalation. At least he is still of sane and sound mind…

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I don’t recall reading about Russian missiles landing in NATO territory. Could you remind me of such instances?

Poland: What we know about 'Russian missile' strike in NATO territory | World News | Sky News

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Poland: What we know about 'Russian missile' strike in NATO territory | World News | Sky News

There is one regular poster who is obsessed with links, completely believing everything he reads in “credible” western sources. It’s dangerous, as all too often, such reports have proven to be falsehoods. 
 

Your link above is one such falsehood. Actually, that’s not completely true. Your link merely claims it, does not say conclusively that it was a missile fired by Russia.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

There is one regular poster who is obsessed with links, completely believing everything he reads in “credible” western sources. It’s dangerous, as all too often, such reports have proven to be falsehoods. 
 

Your link above is one such falsehood. Actually, that’s not completely true. Your link merely claims it, does not say conclusively that it was a missile fired by Russia.

I think your dinner is ready.........

[BigBruv]

AKA Money Laundering

[Mike Lister]

Play nicely please, enough of the name calling

[Excogitator]

39 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I’m a bit gobsmacked (though not confused) by your comments. The brave Ukrainians are not fighting to defend your safety and values (even though that’s why Zelensky says as he wants more aid) but for their own survival. 
 

I know of one incident when one Ukrainian air defence missile fell into a field in Poland, killing a couple of civilians. I don’t recall reading about Russian missiles landing in NATO territory. Could you remind me of such instances?

 

Regarding NATO troops in Ukraine, even the foreign minister of the UK, Lord Cameron says such a move will be a dangerous escalation. At least he is still of sane and sound mind…

You seem to have swallowed the Kremlin-propaganda, hook, line and sinker, and now you're gobbling the rod..

 

The missiles that crossed, and thus violated, NATO airspace were undoubtedly fired by Russia.

The missiles that fell on NATO territory were made in Russia. And if it was not for Russias brutal invasion, they would never have been fired. It is thus of minor relevance if they were fired directly by russia, which is still unclear, or as a defence against russian attacks. The blame is solely on Russia.

 

Regarding your other comment, the situation is evolving all the time. Two years ago it would have been unthinkable to send tanks and cruise missiles to Ukraines aid, as it was seen as a dangerous escalation. Now it's being done. Seen in that perspective, it is not far fetched for NATO to step up their contribution. So you should not be too 'gobsmacked' if it actually happens..

Edited May 5 by Excogitator

[torturedsole]

55 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

Now it's being done. Seen in that perspective, it is not far fetched for NATO to step up their contribution. So you should not be too 'gobsmacked' if it actually happens..

Haha. Where are all these warriors hiding? Try a general military call up in the UK and see who signs up to fight Russia. 

 

Will be lucky to enlist of a couple of non-binaries who won't fight Monday through Friday. Blimey.

[Gweiloman]

39 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

You seem to have swallowed the Kremlin-propaganda, hook, line and sinker, and now you're gobbling the rod..

 

The missiles that crossed, and thus violated, NATO airspace were undoubtedly fired by Russia.

The missiles that fell on NATO territory were made in Russia. And if it was not for Russias brutal invasion, they would never have been fired. It is thus of minor relevance if they were fired directly by russia, which is still unclear, or as a defence against russian attacks. The blame is solely on Russia.

 

Regarding your other comment, the situation is evolving all the time. Two years ago it would have been unthinkable to send tanks and cruise missiles to Ukraines aid, as it was seen as a dangerous escalation. Now it's being done. Seen in that perspective, it is not far fetched for NATO to step up their contribution. So you should not be too 'gobsmacked' if it actually happens..

My oh my. How quickly you changed your tune from several Russian missiles have landed in NATO territory to now merely a single missile (singular, if you please) violated NATO airspace. Quite a big difference, don’t you think?

 

The missile was made in Russia so therefore Russia is to be blamed, even though it was fired by Ukraine. So by your twisted logic, if a Toyota is used by terrorists in America to run over some civilians, Japan is to blame? And therefore America would be justified in going to war against Japan? Thank Allah (Bismillah hir Rahman nir Rahim) you’re not in any position of power.

 

Two years ago, the west thought they could easily reduce the Ruble to rubble, stop Russian revenue by bombing the NS pipelines, destroy Russia’s economy and affect regime change. The exact opposite occurred. Russia’s economy grew, the west’s adversaries, particularly China benefited from cheaper energy, Europe fell into recession, America’s debt increased further and Putin comfortably secured another 6 years. The west was once upon a time viewed as clever, competent. Now it’s a laughing joke to the global majority, lost all credibility and is in decline. 

 

Yes, NATO can send in forces. They will merely be decimated and slaughtered like those couple of hundred French mercenaries. Russia has won the conventional war regardless of what NATO does. All that remains is whether the losing side employs nuclear weapons in which case, China, Asia and the Persian and Arabian states (excluding Israel naturally) will be the new powers in a multipolar world. That’s definitely something I would welcome.

 

I’m hoping to set a new record in confused emojis for this post. Most of what I have stated here will just go over the heads of the usual suspects. Not surprising if you know some of their backgrounds like I do. As stated in another post, I have special powers lol.

[Excogitator]

4 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

Haha. Where are all these warriors hiding? Try a general military call up in the UK and see who signs up to fight Russia. 

 

Will be lucky to enlist of a couple of non-binaries who won't fight Monday through Friday. Blimey.

We are talking about NATO being Ukraine's airforce here..

 

If you're gonna gatecrash the discussion, at least read up on what's being discussed.

 

'non-binaries' wth are you on about..?

 

NATOs pilots are ready.

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, metisdead said:

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Damn. I was too busy with my longish post and didn’t manage to read the flames, insults and trolls that would have been directed at me.

[BangkokReady]

"We send the Ukraine £19 million a week.  Let's fund our NHS instead."

[metisdead]

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[torturedsole]

11 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

We are talking about NATO being Ukraine's airforce here..

 

If you're gonna gatecrash the discussion, at least read up on what's being discussed.

 

'non-binaries' wth are you on about..?

 

NATOs pilots are ready.

Check Flightradar24 over Ukraine for latest aeronautical activity and don't forget MH17. 

[scottiejohn]

38 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

"We send the Ukraine £19 million a week.  Let's fund our NHS instead."

If Russia takes over the Ukraine we will not have an NHS as WW3 will have been initiated!

[scottiejohn]

47 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Damn. I was too busy with my longish post and didn’t manage to read the flames, insults and trolls that would have been directed at me.

You should read them and learn from them, if that is possible, by someone with such a narrow minded outlook!

Whether you can understand them is another matter!

The flames and insults directed at you are well deserved and self inflicted IMO!

[scottiejohn]

50 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

"We send the Ukraine £19 million a week.  Let's fund our NHS instead."

Let's allow Putin to declare WW3 if he wins now!

We won't need or have an NHS or a country!

[scottiejohn]

57 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Damn. I was too busy with my longish post and didn’t manage to

Damn. I was too busy with my longish post and didn’t manage to think about if what I posted made any sense!

The answer, if you are interested, is that your post did not make any sense!

[BangkokReady]

57 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

If Russia takes over the Ukraine we will not have an NHS as WW3 will have been initiated!

 

How so?

[BangkokReady]

46 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Let's allow Putin to declare WW3 if he wins now!

We won't need or have an NHS or a country!

 

How so?

[torturedsole]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

How so?

In fairness, the NHS are finished, with or without WW3. 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

You should read them and learn from them, if that is possible, by someone with such a narrow minded outlook!

Whether you can understand them is another matter!

The flames and insults directed at you are well deserved and self inflicted IMO!

Sorry for my absence. I was having my (dog’s) dinner.

 

I wanted to read them but unfortunately, they were deleted in accordance with the community guidelines of AN. You see, in order for society to function, there should be peace, harmony, understanding, compassion and mutual respect. The same for the world around us and even in a small community like AN. When some posters starts to smear others and to try to intimidate them, this is when the community breaks down. So we need responsible leaders, in this case, the mods to step in.

 

 I have no issues with flames and insults directed at me, well deserved or not. The problem is that the bullies don’t have an intelligent response. All they can do is insult and flame. Having studied human psychology, I know this is merely a defensive response when no logical or intelligent argument is left. So, to address your concern, yes, I do understand them very well.

 

Alles klar?

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

Damn. I was too busy with my longish post and didn’t manage to think about if what I posted made any sense!

The answer, if you are interested, is that your post did not make any sense!

Would you like me to write it more  s l ow l y?

[scottiejohn]

21 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Would you like me to write it more  s l ow l y?

No!

Just please don't bother to write at all!

[scottiejohn]

27 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Sorry for my absence. I was having my (dog’s) dinner.

Poor dog being deprived of its food!

Shame on you!

 

[BangkokReady]

50 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

In fairness, the NHS are finished, with or without WW3. 

 

That appears to be what the Tories want.  Hopefully they will be stopped.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, connda said:

I think Britain should mobilize along with France and immediately send the majority of their military forces to the front lines in Ukraine in order to accomplish what neither Napoleon Bonaparte or Germany could accomplish in the past. Their generals could drop off the 3 billion quid with Zelensky as they pass through Kiev where the money will no doubt be funneled directly into paying the salaries of brave Ukrainian volunteer soldiers fighting on the front for liberty and democracy.
Britain and France are the greatest fighting forces in the West.  So go show those ill-equipped, low-morale Ruskie conscripts fighting with 50 year old, rusting Soviet equipment which barely function by using IC chips from washing machines a thing or two!  Brave French and British patriots with the most modern and expensive Western military hardware in the world advancing shoulder-to-shoulder across the Novorossiya steppes will scare Ivan right back to the Urals and will bring Western "freedom, democracy, and a rules-based international order" to those backward Cossack once and for all.  Grrrr - go get them boys!

In the meanwhile, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu who has consistently referred to Russian military tactics in Ukraine as "active defense" is now referring to military operations as "offensive."  Not that words matter to backward, borsch-eating Russians.  Highly trained French and British troops would cut through Ruskie lines like a hot-knife through butter.  It would be even better if their forces were led by Macron and Sunak backed by defense ministers Sébastien Lecornu and David Cameron, all mounted on horse-back, swords in hands and waving the French Tri-color and British Union-Jack from the highest hill, urging their brave, shining troops forward to put an end to "Russian aggression" once and for all.  What a magnificent sight that would be!!!
 

Ivan would drop his rusty, malfunctioning Kalashnikov and high-tail it back to Lake Baikal at that sight for sure!    So "come on" France and Britain.  Mobilize Now!  Get to the Ukie Eastern Front ASAP and stop Ivan in his tracks! You can do it!

I gave that a "love it" emoji.

 

There are so many warmongers on here that they could win the war all by themselves for Ukraine, the west and democracy. Unfortunately they don't seem very keen on leaving their basements to join up with the brave heroes of Ukraine.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Excogitator said:

We are talking about NATO being Ukraine's airforce here..

 

If you're gonna gatecrash the discussion, at least read up on what's being discussed.

 

'non-binaries' wth are you on about..?

 

NATOs pilots are ready.

Doesn't matter if it's NATO pilots or the guys that make the tea for the officers club, if NATO joins in it's just a hop, step and jump to MAD, IMO.

 

For it to even be suggested implies the lunatics have escaped and taken over NATO command, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Excogitator said:

Regarding your other comment, the situation is evolving all the time. Two years ago it would have been unthinkable to send tanks and cruise missiles to Ukraines aid, as it was seen as a dangerous escalation. Now it's being done. Seen in that perspective, it is not far fetched for NATO to step up their contribution. So you should not be too 'gobsmacked' if it actually happens..

and if it does happen I will not be too 'gobsmacked' when MAD occurs.

Seems that some are so indoctrinated by US propaganda, that they will be cheering when the ICBMs fly.

[Gweiloman]

11 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

No!

Just please don't bother to write at all!

If I stopped writing, then that would be one person less for you to vent your anger on. I know from my studies that some people need an outlet for their natural aggression so look at me like a psychiatrist that is helping you with your anger management issues.

 

11 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Poor dog being deprived of its food!

Shame on you!

 

Dogs. 5 of them. Vet insists they need to go on a diet.