Shocking revelation in mass graves scandal in Canada's Indigenous Residential Schools

[Hanaguma]

The shock being- no bodies were discovered. Briefly, nearly $8 million was spent at the epicentre of the scandal in Kamloops BC.  And exactly zero human remains were found.  Now I am curious how the government's investigation into the 80 churches that were burned/vandalized in the wake of this hoax is going....

 

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/no-bodies-found-after-spending-8-million-searching-for-bodies-at-kamloops-residential-school/54429

 

[stoner]

trudeau is good at making money disappear though.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Hard to  know whom to believe, considering the report above is from a right-wing website with a poor record of accuracy, which is repeating a Canadian website article hidden behind a paywall...

 

And we had prior reports from credible sources such as the national public broadcaster Canadian Broadcasting Corp. saying the following:

Residential school denialists tried to dig up suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, B.C., report finds

Denialism is the last step of genocide, says report from independent interlocutor

Jun 16, 2023

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Residential school deniers tried to dig up suspected unmarked grave sites at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School, not believing a May 2021 announcement from the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc that as many as 215 Indigenous children had been buried there, according to a new report.

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But the unauthorized visits to the site are the work of a "core group" of Canadians who continue to deny, defend or minimize the physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse inflicted on Indigenous children in the Indian Residential School System "despite the indisputable evidence of survivors and their families," Murray said at a Friday news conference.

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Since the confirmation of community knowledge of suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, First Nations across Canada have located evidence of the remains of more than 2,300 children in suspected unmarked graves at or near former residential schools and Indian hospitals, according to the report.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/denialists-tried-to-access-unmarked-gravesite-tkemlups-report-1.6879980

 

[Keep Right]

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The shock being- no bodies were discovered. Briefly, nearly $8 million was spent at the epicentre of the scandal in Kamloops BC.  And exactly zero human remains were found.  Now I am curious how the government's investigation into the 80 churches that were burned/vandalized in the wake of this hoax is going....

 

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/no-bodies-found-after-spending-8-million-searching-for-bodies-at-kamloops-residential-school/54429

 

The Canadian left wing government will use any excuse to try to impede freedom of religion in Canada. From reports that I have read in scientific journals, these children died of many diseases that they were not immunized for.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Truth and Reconciliation chair says final report marks start of 'new era'

Dec 15, 2015

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The final report is a detailed account, spanning nearly 4,000 pages, of what happened to indigenous children who were physically and sexually abused in government boarding schools.

 

Two chairs at the front of the room were left empty to symbolize the more than 3,200 indigenous children who died in residential schools — a number Sinclair estimates to be much higher.

 

Sinclair along with commissioners chief Wilton Littlechild and Marie Wilson, spent the past six years hearing heartbreaking testimony from more than 6,000 residential school survivors who were abused and lived to tell their stories.

 

(more)

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/truth-and-reconciliation-final-report-ottawa-event-1.3365921

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Hard to  know whom to believe, considering the report above is from a right-wing website with a poor record of accuracy, which is repeating a Canadian website article hidden behind a paywall...

 

And we had prior reports from credible sources such as the national public broadcaster Canadian Broadcasting Corp. saying the following:

Residential school denialists tried to dig up suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, B.C., report finds

Denialism is the last step of genocide, says report from independent interlocutor

Jun 16, 2023

...

Residential school deniers tried to dig up suspected unmarked grave sites at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School, not believing a May 2021 announcement from the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc that as many as 215 Indigenous children had been buried there, according to a new report.

...

But the unauthorized visits to the site are the work of a "core group" of Canadians who continue to deny, defend or minimize the physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse inflicted on Indigenous children in the Indian Residential School System "despite the indisputable evidence of survivors and their families," Murray said at a Friday news conference.

...

Since the confirmation of community knowledge of suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, First Nations across Canada have located evidence of the remains of more than 2,300 children in suspected unmarked graves at or near former residential schools and Indian hospitals, according to the report.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/denialists-tried-to-access-unmarked-gravesite-tkemlups-report-1.6879980

 

The CBC as usual, covering up for the government.   I am waiting breathlessly for them to publish the results of this 3 year, 8 milllion dollar investigation.  

 

Oh, and interestingly the same thing happened last year. A church in Manitoba was accused of having secret graves beneath it.  There was an investigation and, shock of shocks, no graves found. No human remains at all. Even the CBC couldnt hide this story;

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pine-creek-residential-school-no-evidence-human-remains-1.6941441

[300sd]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And we had prior reports from credible sources such as the national public broadcaster Canadian Broadcasting Corp. saying the following:

Hahah. Credible sources! CBC is funded by the left wing gov't if you have to be political! They will print what they are told. Once long ago they were credible. Not anymore.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Seems like many of the forum-familiar pro-Trump / COVID denying anti-vaxers are populating this thread about Canada... Perhaps there's something to the above CBC reference:

 

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Denialism is the last step of genocide, says report from independent interlocutor

 

As for the credibility of the CBC, a whole lot better than the OP source:

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcasting/

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/western-standard-bias/

 

[Hanaguma]

29 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Seems like many of the forum-familiar pro-Trump / COVID denying anti-vaxers are populating this thread about Canada... Perhaps there's something to the above CBC reference:

 

 

As for the credibility of the CBC, a whole lot better than the OP source:

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcasting/

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/western-standard-bias/

 

I guess you didnt see the link to a CBC article I posted. The one where the claim of unmarked graves in Manitoba was debunked. Miss that one?

 

This whole controversy was a case of too many politicians rushing in front of too many cameras trying to stay ahead of the news. And they are going to get burned for it. 

 

I mean, just think about it for a minute. Imagine there was a news story that 200 children were possibly buried under a football field at a regular Canadian school. What do you think would happen? The RCMP and local police would be ALL OVER it. Scores of officers, forensic experts, digging to verify the presence of human remains... yet in this case we are just expected to take the word of local natives. Oh, and fork over millions of dollars, of course. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

This 2023 report from the right-center leaning Canadian National Post news outlet gives a more nuanced recounting of the history of all this, saying that it wasn't mostly the local tribes groups who started referring to "mass graves," but instead foreign news media.

 

At any rate, the report below ends with what it says is the continuing factual basis of all this, that many thousands of tribes children did indeed die in the former Indian Residential Schools:

 

FIRST READING: Who started calling residential school burial sites mass graves?

At least in the beginning, First Nations didn't claim there were deliberately hidden 'mass graves.' Media and activists did

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But there’s just one problem with claims that this was all an engineered hoax: The preliminary claims of First Nations performing the surveys did not state that these were “mass graves,” that they were deliberately concealed or that they were the result of homicide. At least in the beginning, the claims of “mass graves” or mass murder would stem mostly from foreign news outlets."

 

And then to end the article:

 

"None of the events of 2021 disturbed the core facts that Indian Residential Schools were designed to forcibly remove Indigenous children from their parents and assimilate them into white society in underfunded schools awash with corporal punishment and sexual predation. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s 2015 final report found 3,201 confirmed student deaths, mostly due to disease — although the poor state of record-keeping led commissioners to conclude there was likely many more."

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/first-nations-graves

 

 

Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

This 2023 report from the Canadian National Post news outlet gives a more nuanced recounting of the history of all this, saying that it wasn't mostly the local tribes groups who started referring to "mass graves," but instead foreign news media.

 

At any rate, the report below ends with what it says is the continuing factual basis of all this, that many thousands of tribes children did indeed die in the former Indian Residential Schools:

 

FIRST READING: Who started calling residential school burial sites mass graves?

At least in the beginning, First Nations didn't claim there were deliberately hidden 'mass graves.' Media and activists did

...

But there’s just one problem with claims that this was all an engineered hoax: The preliminary claims of First Nations performing the surveys did not state that these were “mass graves,” that they were deliberately concealed or that they were the result of homicide. At least in the beginning, the claims of “mass graves” or mass murder would stem mostly from foreign news outlets."  

 

And then to end the article:

 

"None of the events of 2021 disturbed the core facts that Indian Residential Schools were designed to forcibly remove Indigenous children from their parents and assimilate them into white society in underfunded schools awash with corporal punishment and sexual predation. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s 2015 final report found 3,201 confirmed student deaths, mostly due to disease — although the poor state of record-keeping led commissioners to conclude there was likely many more."

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/first-nations-graves

 

 

Of course. "Mass graves" implies large numbers of bodies being buried together in one huge hole, reminiscent of what happened during the Black Death in medieval Europe, or the Nazi murders of Jews in WW2. Hence I used it in the title about the scandal aspect.  I even remember some media reports referring to the graves of "murdered children", something never before mentioned. The sensationalism spun out of control until even asking polite questions was met with shrill cries of "denialist!!"

 

And yes, some children did indeed die at the schools.  Kids died all the time a hundred years ago. They got sick, injured, drowned, even diseases that are treatible today were not at that time. But that is not relevant to the story.  The implication from the natives is that there was an element of secrecy and nefariousness to the situation. That evil priests and other staff members were trying to hide what they were doing, trying to hide their victims. And that has not proven to be the case. 

Edited May 12 by Hanaguma

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"the core facts that Indian Residential Schools were designed to forcibly remove Indigenous children from their parents and assimilate them into white society in underfunded schools awash with corporal punishment and sexual predation."

 

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The implication from the natives is that there was an element of secrecy and nefariousness to the situation. That evil priests and other staff members were trying to hide what they were doing, trying to hide their victims. And that has not proven to be the case. 

 

So all of the above was their public advertising slogan thru the years, and the described actions were not hidden thru their many decades of operation?  And forcibly removing children from their parents isn't "nefarious"?   It certainly is in my book!

 

 

Edited May 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

TRC report: 5 stories of residential school escapees who died

Accounts of ill-fated escapes contained in final report of TRC

December 15, 2015

 

The final report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada was released Monday and reveals in chilling detail the horrors of the residential school system.

 

Within its over 3,700 pages are stories of children forcibly separated from their families, communities, language and culture who ended up suffering shocking rates of mental, physical and sexual abuse.

 

Over 3,200 of those children never returned home, with many of their bodies buried in unmarked cemeteries across the country. The majority were taken by disease — tuberculosis, influenza, typhoid and other maladies.

 

(more)

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/truth-reconciliation-commission-final-report-escapees-1.3364325

 

 

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[Hanaguma]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"the core facts that Indian Residential Schools were designed to forcibly remove Indigenous children from their parents and assimilate them into white society in underfunded schools awash with corporal punishment and sexual predation."

 

 

So all of the above was their public advertising slogan thru the years, and the described actions were not hidden thru their many decades of operation?  And forcibly removing children from their parents isn't "nefarious"?   It certainly is in my book!

 

 

It is actually not that simple.

 

Did native kids get sent to residential schools? Of course. Usually for two reasons. One, there was no school in their community (usually due to isolation) and two, the parents requested/approved.  Most native children were in the first case. In the second, attendance was not compulsory until well into the 1920s. Even then, a lot of kids simply didn't attend school at all. So these lurid images of evil priests canoeing through the Canadian wilderness, hunting down screaming native children, are utterly ridiculous. 

 

As for the schools themselves, did abuse occur? Of course, and should be revealed and reviled. Was assimilation the goal? Again of course. At the time, it was thought to be the best technique to bring the natives out of savagery and integrate them into Canadian society. Today we know better. But a century ago, no. 

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It is actually not that simple.

 

Did native kids get sent to residential schools? Of course. Usually for two reasons. One, there was no school in their community (usually due to isolation) and two, the parents requested/approved.  Most native children were in the first case. In the second, attendance was not compulsory until well into the 1920s. Even then, a lot of kids simply didn't attend school at all. So these lurid images of evil priests canoeing through the Canadian wilderness, hunting down screaming native children, are utterly ridiculous. 

 

As for the schools themselves, did abuse occur? Of course, and should be revealed and reviled. Was assimilation the goal? Again of course. At the time, it was thought to be the best technique to bring the natives out of savagery and integrate them into Canadian society. Today we know better. But a century ago, no. 

The left has to stop assimilation at all cost, divide and concur. 

[Bkk Brian]

23 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The shock being- no bodies were discovered. Briefly, nearly $8 million was spent at the epicentre of the scandal in Kamloops BC.  And exactly zero human remains were found.  Now I am curious how the government's investigation into the 80 churches that were burned/vandalized in the wake of this hoax is going....

 

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/no-bodies-found-after-spending-8-million-searching-for-bodies-at-kamloops-residential-school/54429

 

Interesting to come back to this, I remember our debates on this when it was a topic here were quite intense. Without going back to research I think they based their suspicions on some sort of ground penetrating radar. They were wrong which is good. But as you say 8 million later and a possibility that arson on churchs was carried out.

 

Of course this does not take away that many indigenous children were mistreated in residential schools.

[Hanaguma]

40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Interesting to come back to this, I remember our debates on this when it was a topic here were quite intense. Without going back to research I think they based their suspicions on some sort of ground penetrating radar. They were wrong which is good. But as you say 8 million later and a possibility that arson on churchs was carried out.

 

Of course this does not take away that many indigenous children were mistreated in residential schools.

Such a serious story, was actually the "news event of the year" in Canada in 2021. Yet then.... crickets.  It is quite sad really. Serious allegations like these need to be taken seriously, and investigated thoroughly by experts.  Yet as with so many issues surrounding native people, that does not happen. "Cultural sensitivity" takes precedence over evidenced based investigation and research. 

 

The possible arson on the churches was not possible. It was a fact. Upwards of 80 churches, many of them historical buildings and also many of them in native communities, were torched. Now imagine if this were to happen to 80 synagogues or 80 mosques... the uproar would be deafening. I guess because they were churches, it was seen as a kind of justified revenge or understandable product of native frustration over the as yet to be found graves.

 

And it should not take away from the very real abuse that did happen in the schools. Of course any allegations, as above, need to be taken seriously and investigated thoroughly, and punishment given. But the two issues get conflated and mixed to the point where they cannot be taken individually.  There is genuine debate to be had over the whole residential school system and the lasting effects. 

 

Oh, and the same band, the Kamlooops, were given more than 12 million dollars last year for a "healing center". Talk about putting the cart before the horse! Building a healing center before there is any actual evidence of graves.