26 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

Pay even if it isn't  your bin?

Yes, because I can always come back later and politely ask the Manager to review the CCTV to confirm the misunderstanding.  Yes, it sucks to pay extra, but know your area and practice situational awareness.  You will lose trying to get all "tough guy" here in this country.  Better yet, get a Thai person who can translate to help you mitigate the situation with security. From the CCTV, it appears the unfortunate guy who got his head kicked, was drunk and aggressive.  Not a smart move.

Just close down Pattaya. Empty it of residents, clubs, and businesses. Leave only the beach intact. Pave over the rest and erect a temple every 100 meters.

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

The kicking of the doctor pales into insignificance by comparison if he even did kick her, it certainly was not shown clearly in the related video.

 

A deflection. The principle you demand loudly ad nauseam for any suggestion of farang guilt vs a Thai victim--demanding definitive, irrefutable, absolute evidence BEFORE any judgment is made--you hypocritically don't apply in the reverse case of possible Thai guilt. The latter you accept w/o that definitive, irrefutable, absolute evidence and even make up stuff to explain reasons for the guilt. Why is that, except just bigotry?

 

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Exactly what point of yours have I ignored due to it being true?

 

Exactly the above. W/o going back thru all your tedious posts on the topic made before all the vids surfaced, the specific point I addressed was your judgment, w/o the slightest shred of evidence, about drug use by the Thai, to pile on the guilt.

 

 

 

Bangkok Post now running the story claiming that the custmomer struck first and the 3 security guards were fighting back. I guess this is the story all Thai news will run despite cctv clearly showing it to be false and guard threw first punch. The article now also claiming guard has a broken nose and required 6 stiches so are they trying to provide justification?

 

Again no mention of health of the two beaten foreigners

 

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by Pattaya57

9 hours ago, steven100 said:

Only low life cowards kick people when they are down.  

standard mode for many Thai's

14 minutes ago, retarius said:

I watched the YouTube version. The foreign guys were dicks for refusing to pay and then squaring up to the guards, who are paid to sort this type of trouble out. The head kick looked bad but I don't think the guards were wearing boots or heavy shoes, although the guy in white did look hurt, so that was excessive as the guy was one the floor anyway and no threat.

As far as I can see the guards were just doing their jobs, which is to give a good hammering to people who refuse to pay. But the odds were ok and better than the usual 10 onto 1 we see on videos. Seems like the usual high quality pissed up Brits Thailand sees to attract, or their equivalent from somewhere else, where they want to play the big hard guy, but actually can't handle it. 

retardius watched the YouTube version. Or even an “AI” Version?
You're right, no boots. The gear of the thugs could be upgraded. One of the heroes lost his shoe, during his outstanding performance.
I guess the knuckle brass is a private contribution to work "safety". Nothing about motivated employees.
After this ejaculation, you should make a donation to the Employer, to gear up the thugs. For everybody's safety.

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Long time now. I guess nobody had an explanation, as it has become norm for the nation in almost all countries they visit.

Getting very very tired of your ridiculous comments!

Soi 6, the great pattaya "Tourist" attraction. Let's hope it hasn't got a bad reputation after this incident 😆

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I live here since decades, and I used to often in the night life streets.

I saw a couple of fights, and I heard about many more.

I never heard that anybody was harmed by the guards for no reason.

If people molest the girls or don't pay their bills there are consequences, often severe consequences and it happens fast.

And I am sure that is one of the reasons why most visitors behave and pay their bills. Great.

Personally, I am happy that all in all we, the good guys, can visit bars and those streets without meeting the bad guys.

when i had a go-go bar
we had security that was provided by the police we were paying
one of those security punched one of our own girls in the face when she declined to give him some money (she could not work for a week)
i fired all 3 of them that night (as the other 2 just stood there and watched and done nothing)
and then had 2 of them come next night threatening to cut my throat.

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by patman30

Security guards, bouncers and police should be held to a higher standard, and fines and jail times should be doubled. They have a responsibility to behave and not abuse their power. And some of them are very hungry for the power and using it makes them feel like big men. 

47 minutes ago, retarius said:

As far as I can see the guards were just doing their jobs, which is to give a good hammering to people who refuse to pay.

Interesting - security guards are employed to inflict punishment by violence. You're a sick man.

8 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

The "Pussy club " ?

 

An odd location for a feline veterinary business unless it's euphemism for STD clinic.

Just watched the Vid on Fab 103fm. The guard looked like he was taking a penalty kick to the guys head as he lay on the ground.  

33 minutes ago, Radar501 said:

I did read on, and I didn't selectively choose what part of the article to post.

 

I regret that I didn't include a 'sarcasm' emoji which might have made it clearer to all readers that my post was tongue in cheek.      

 

 

That's (sarcasm) not working with Bangkok Barry 😂😂😂

 

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Security guards, bouncers and police should be held to a higher standard, and fines and jail times should be doubled. They have a responsibility to behave and not abuse their power. And some of them are very hungry for the power and using it makes them feel like big men. 

 

 

Who do you think want to be a bouncher in soi 6? Your clients is bigger, heavier, drunk, stupid foreigners? 

 

Som trying to convince me it is a family destination, but really? 

 

 

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Security guards arrested after tourist assault in Pattaya
by Ryan Turner

 

Image courtesy of Pattaya News

Pattaya City Police apprehended three security guards after a viral video captured them allegedly assaulting a tourist. The incident, which has caused widespread condemnation and raised concerns about Pattaya’s image as a tourist destination, occurred at approximately 11.36pm yesterday.

 

Police Colonel Navin Teerawit, superintendent of Pattaya City Police Station, led the operation to detain the suspects.

 

The individuals, identified as 27 year old Ball, 36 year old Tom, and 24 year old Ice were taken in for questioning and further legal action. These guards were reportedly part of a freelance group providing security for multiple bars, though they were not directly linked to any specific establishment.

 

The guards have admitted their involvement in the incident. Ball claimed he was initially assaulted by a tourist, which led to injuries requiring medical attention.

Despite this alleged provocation, the guards’ actions have been widely criticised as excessive, particularly since one guard was seen kicking a tourist in the head as he lay on the ground after being beaten.

 

 

 

Pol. Col. Navin reprimanded the guards, stressing that their primary duty is to ensure the safety of tourists, not to engage in violence. He emphasised the need for restraint and the importance of involving law enforcement to de-escalate conflicts.

 

“Security personnel must act professionally and maintain composure. Their actions directly impact Pattaya’s reputation as a safe and welcoming tourist destination.”

The superintendent ordered a strict legal follow-up to ensure the guards face the consequences of their actions. The investigation is supported by CCTV footage, which documents the escalation of the confrontation and serves as crucial evidence.

 

The incident has sparked a broader conversation about the conduct of security personnel in Pattaya, highlighting the delicate balance between maintaining order and preserving the city’s welcoming atmosphere for tourists.

 

Details of the legal charges against the guards have not been immediately disclosed by Pattaya police. Despite various rumours circulating online, the condition of the tourist who appeared to be kicked in the head remains unclear.

 

His friends, who were also present, have reportedly declined to file police reports or press charges, seemingly wanting to move past the incident. However, given the viral nature of the video, avoiding legal repercussions may no longer be possible, reported Pattaya News.

 

Source: The Thaiger 2024-05-27

 

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Well I have seen this brawl from different angles now, and yes, that would be clear murder.  The 'guard' is standing there, looking, waiting, then takes a penalty kick to the guy's head when he's laying on the ground.  Despicable thughs.  Great advertising for foreigners and "security" personnel.

40 minutes ago, patman30 said:

not saying this is what happened
but from experience i can tell you
it is very common for expats and tourists to quickly make new "friends" here while out n about,
move on to the next bar together as a group
then the new friend suddenly disappears after running up a bill
had this happen a few times, even with expats when in groups

I just read the Khaosod article. 
 

Ms. Samorn, a 38-year-old cashier at the bar where the incident occurred, witnessed three foreign tourists drinking. Two paid their bills, but the third changed seats multiple times and then left without paying. When asked for payment for the 3rd guy, the guy in the white shirt argued he had already paid. Eventually, the other guy in the group paid the 2,800 Baht bill for the 3rd guy, but the one in the white shirt pushed a guard, leading to chaos on the street.

 

So they squared all the bills. Even if the guy pushed the guard afterwards, no way the guards should have delivered a hard kick to the head when the guy is already on the ground and nearly unconscious. In fact, guards shouldn't have hit anyone. Just restrained them and called police to arrest them if necessary. 
 

 

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by ChumpChange

Moral of the story: you must behave yourself in a foreign country.. too many foreigners, tourists and expats disrespecting Thailand and the Thai people!

" raised concerns about Pattaya’s image as a tourist destination"

 

 Copy and paste for imminent future use!

 

Why aren't these security guards licensed as in the UK and other countries? Any misbehaviour like that mentioned in the post as in the post should mean loss of licence - hence loss of job!

5 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

I just read the Khaosod article. 

Ms. Samorn, a 38-year-old cashier at the bar where the incident occurred, witnessed three foreign tourists drinking. Two paid their bills, but the third changed seats multiple times and left without paying. When asked for payment for the 3rd guy, the guy in the white shirt argued he had already paid. Eventually, one of two in the group paid the 2,800 Baht bill, but the tourist in the white shirt pushed a guard, leading to chaos on the street.

So they squared all the bills. Even if the guy pushed the guard afterwards, no way the guards should have delivered a hard kick to the head when the guy is already on the ground and nearly unconscious. 

no mention of whether they knew the 3rd guy or not?
usually between friends, especially if on holiday or just out together
it would not be an issue paying a known friends bill and getting it back later

i seen the videos
the guards started the violence imo
once bill was paid, guards should have left as all resolved
iirc the first act was throwing some bystander out of the bar who was just trying to calm the situation

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by patman30

Anyway, sounds like all is OK again now, right? As long as they apologized to Thai society then that's all that counts, no?

 

 

Three security guards who assaulted two foreign visitors admitted that their actions were excessive and apologized to Thai society for their actions.

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by ChumpChange

Pay when served,  don't run a tab.

4 hours ago, roo860 said:

Three security guards who assaulted two foreign visitors admitted that their actions were excessive, raised their hands performing the “Wai” gesture, and apologized to Thai society for their actions.... 

These are not trained security guards, but aggressive thugs. It's also strange that this is a supposedly independent group of thugs and the bar(s) doesn't want to take responsibility for them and their nasty behavior. (These guards were reportedly part of a freelance group providing security for multiple bars, though they were not directly linked to any specific establishment.)

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by tomacht8

10 minutes ago, Furioso said:

Moral of the story: you must behave yourself in a foreign country.. too many foreigners, tourists and expats disrespecting Thailand and the Thai people!

are you really this retarded? xD

Any security guard found kicking someone in the head on the ground should no longer have a job &

be locked up

6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

These are not trained security guards, but aggressive thugs. It's also strange that this is a supposedly independent group of thugs and the bar(s) doesn't want to take responsibility for them and their nasty behavior. (These guards were reportedly part of a freelance group providing security for multiple bars, though they were not directly linked to any specific establishment.)

They are very likely part of the monthly brown envelope package that every bar in the soi pays in to
 

15 minutes ago, patman30 said:

no mention of whether they knew the 3rd guy or not?
usually between friends, especially if on holiday or just out together
it would not be an issue paying a known friends bill and getting it back later

i seen the videos
the guards started the violence imo
once bill was paid, guards should have left as all resolved

Whether they knew the 3rd guy or not doesn't seem material. Fact is they already paid all outstanding bills before any violence erupted. 
 

As you said, guards should have left and no violence should have occurred at all. But these guards are probably looking for any opportunity to smash up anyone who is a bit drunk and acting a bit aggressive.
 

They also probably want to prove their worth to the bar owners and as to why they should be paid to be there. All of it is all wrong on every level. 

 

 

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by ChumpChange

1 hour ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

im my 15 yrs in LOS i went to Patts to see it for myself..left within 12 hrs.....seedy AF imo

 

anyhoo up here in CM the club dudes/Sec thais are same same as i went to an after hrs place and they

were telling me where i couldnt park on the public street and we had words....in true thai fashion they sucker

punched me from behind and right in the head(always go for the head!) and knocked me down face first onto dirty

gravel road..broke my glasses and my arm had gravel embedded as well.....always in packs and always cowardly

 

I left a nice review with said pics on google maps as a reminder to others..think the place is shut down as well.....

 

and as noted if they dude died that thai dude kicking him in the head should be the possible reason why--ie prison

seems these angry thai dudes seek out this kind of work just for an outlet to feed their violent tendencies...smh

 

another day in the LOS

Was that those places on CM land /Chang Klan road?  Always had the pretty girls outside.  Kareoke joints. 

 

Shady as a 2 bob watch that outfit.  Many foreigners got beaten up in those places. I escaped from there once.... Long story but never went back. 

4 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Lies...I go there everyday....it is very safe.  Just pay your bin and do not get drunk and act like you are back in your sh&&&&e country.

What a <deleted> of a response, go back to your bin moron.

35 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Getting very very tired of your ridiculous comments!

Oh, thanks for letting me know. I have a suggestion. Don´t read them then. Se, now I helped as you seem to have problem finding a solution on your own. 😉