In a recent address to the Seanad, Irish senator Ned O’Sullivan expressed his disapproval of Ireland's decision to recognize Palestine as a state so soon after the October 7 terrorist attacks in Israel. O’Sullivan, a member of the centre-Right Fianna Fáil party, which is part of Ireland’s coalition government, argued that the timing of the recognition played into the hands of Hamas. He remarked, “There is every danger that Hamas is perceiving it right now as a reward for what it carried out on October 7.”

 

O’Sullivan's criticism comes in the wake of the Irish government's formal recognition of Palestine earlier in the week, a move that has sparked significant controversy. He stated, “Hamas began this current conflict. This current round of an age-old conflict was started by Hamas. It sickens me to see the video clips of what they did to young, vibrant women out celebrating a concert. They were humiliated, degraded, raped.” He also noted that a significant sector of the Palestinian community seemed to support Hamas' actions, which he believes should be considered by the pro-Palestinian lobby in Ireland.

 

 

While condemning the violence perpetrated by Hamas, O’Sullivan also made it clear that he does not support the level of Israeli violence in Gaza. He emphasized that expressing even a slightly different perspective from the dominant pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas views in Ireland often leads to accusations of being “genocidal.”

 

The Israeli government reacted strongly to Dublin’s decision to recognize Palestine, accusing the Irish government of rewarding terrorism. In response, Simon Harris, the Taoiseach, stated, “The IRA was never the people of Ireland and Hamas is not the people of Palestine.” 

 

O’Sullivan further criticized Sinn Féin, the former political wing of the IRA, for its strong support of Palestine. He pointed out the irony in their stance, given their history with the IRA, stating, “A great number of the people who are most vociferous in their condemnation of the violence and atrocities being perpetrated in Gaza have no problem countenancing commemoration services for the Provisional IRA.”

 

The senator underscored the historical violence carried out by the IRA, noting, “The IRA massacred thousands of people in our own country, including thousands of people of the Catholic faith.” He suggested that there seems to be a selective focus on violence in specific geographic locations, which is inconsistent given Ireland’s own troubled past with the IRA.

 

This controversy unfolds as Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil prepare for European elections next week and a general election that must be called by March next year. The timing and implications of Ireland’s recognition of Palestine are likely to remain a contentious issue in the political arena.

 

Related Topics: 

Ireland's Profound Support for Palestine: A Historical and Political Analysis

Ireland, Norway, & Spain to Recognize Palestinian State Amid Ongoing Israel-Hamas Conflict

 

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Apparently he doesn't know Ireland's history very well, or chooses to ignore it.

A two-state solution is the only way to achieve lasting peace and an end to the seemingly endless spiral of violence.

 

Ireland is far from alone in supporting and recognising a Palestinian state. Norway and Spain recently did the same, and, in fact, 'as of May 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 member states of the United Nations' (Wikipedia)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

8 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

A two-state solution is the only way to achieve lasting peace and an end to the seemingly endless spiral of violence.

 

Ireland is far from alone in supporting and recognising a Palestinian state. Norway and Spain recently did the same, and, in fact, 'as of May 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 member states of the United Nations' (Wikipedia)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

The point being it should not have been done just after Oct 7th and with Hamas still in power in Gaza.  Australia's Parliament on Thursday voted down by 80-5 a proposal to recognize a “State of Palestine.”

 

The UK said its not the right time and only when the current conflicts end, a view mirrored by the US.

 

Hamas are over the moon about it by the way, although they don't believe in Israel ever having a state,

 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The point being it should not have been done just after Oct 7th and with Hamas still in power in Gaza.  Australia's Parliament on Thursday voted down by 80-5 a proposal to recognize a “State of Palestine.”

 

The UK said its not the right time and only when the current conflicts end, a view mirrored by the US.

 

Hamas are over the moon about it by the way, although they don't believe in Israel ever having a state,

 

It has to be done, sooner rather than later.

 

Norway, Ireland and Spains decisions are correct and will hopefully encourage the few remaining countries, still on the fence, to do the same thing, as soon as possible.

Just now, Excogitator said:

It has to be done, sooner rather than later.

 

Norway, Ireland and Spains decisions are correct and will hopefully encourage the few remaining countries, still on the fence, to do the same thing, as soon as possible.

Because you say its correct does not make it so. Ireland has been trying to rally other countries to do the same for many months, it only managed Spain and Ireland. Other have a wiser approach and recognize that Hamas terrorists are still in power in Gaza. 

Such an embarrassment to the West

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because you say its correct does not make it so. Ireland has been trying to rally other countries to do the same for many months, it only managed Spain and Ireland. Other have a wiser approach and recognize that Hamas terrorists are still in power in Gaza. 

Me and an overwhelming majority of the worlds nations.

 

Just because you disagree, doesn't make you right.

1 minute ago, Excogitator said:

Me and an overwhelming majority of the worlds nations.

 

Just because you disagree, doesn't make you right.

Are you having a problem reading the whole point of the timing?

 

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The point being it should not have been done just after Oct 7th and with Hamas still in power in Gaza. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by Bkk Brian

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Are you having a problem reading the whole point of the timing?

 

 

We disagree on this matter.

I have discussed this subject with you before to no avail. You are only interested in your own opinion, not listening to others.

 

As I said this must be done sooner rather than later, so the suffering on both sides can stop. 

 

3 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

We disagree on this matter.

I have discussed this subject with you before to no avail. You are only interested in your own opinion, not listening to others.

 

As I said this must be done sooner rather than later, so the suffering on both sides can stop. 

 

No just disagreeing with me though, its the whole point of the OP 

 

"Ireland Criticized for Recognizing Palestinian State Shortly After October 7 Attacks"

 

Ireland ‘played into hands of Hamas’ by recognising Palestinian state so soon after Oct 7

 

How will it end the suffering as you claim?

 

 

Hamas is interested in only 1 thing, wipe out Israel.  By Norway, Spain and Ireland rewarding them for their barbaric acts only makes them bolder. Not to mention, those 3 countries are comprised mostly of infidels, and their destiny is well documented in the Koran. 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No just disagreeing with me though, its the whole point of the OP 

 

"Ireland Criticized for Recognizing Palestinian State Shortly After October 7 Attacks"

 

Ireland ‘played into hands of Hamas’ by recognising Palestinian state so soon after Oct 7

 

How will it end the suffering as you claim?

 

 

Because its the only alternative that offers a political solution for Israelis and Palestinians alike: two states, living side by side, in peace and security.

Just now, Excogitator said:

Because its the only alternative that offers a political solution for Israelis and Palestinians alike: two states, living side by side, in peace and security.

So what are you going to do with Hamas who want to wipe out Israel and have promised to do so?

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

So what are you going to do with Hamas who want to wipe out Israel and have promised to do so?

Hamas is a protest movement against Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people. A two state solution will lead to an end of this oppression. Hence, there will be no more reason for extremist groups like Hamas to even exist.

 

The more violence, the more extremists. The less violence, the less extremists.

 

A two state solution rewards the moderates who only want to live lives in peace and prosperity and with dignity.

Just now, Excogitator said:

Hamas is a protest movement against Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people. A two state solution will lead to an end of this oppression. Hence, there will be no more reason for extremist groups like Hamas to even exist.

 

The more violence, the more extremists. The less violence, the less extremists.

 

A two state solution rewards the moderates who only want to live lives in peace and prosperity and with dignity.

Hamas is a protest movement against Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people.

 

You just lost all credibility, they are an evil terrorist group still holding hostages.

 

What are you going to do with Hamas who will keep carrying out attacks on Israel, more Oct 7th's again and again?

 

Do you think Hamas should stay in power?

Sad, always thought Ireland was a nice country with nice people.

They will only accept a one state solution without Jews. It's quite obvious by the number of times these Palestinians have turned down this offer. Amazing how some cannot understand that!

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by 300sd

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

In a recent address to the Seanad, Irish senator Ned O’Sullivan expressed his disapproval of Ireland's decision to recognize Palestine as a state so soon after the October 7 terrorist attacks in Israel. O’Sullivan, a member of the centre-Right Fianna Fáil party, which is part of Ireland’s coalition government, argued that the timing of the recognition played into the hands of Hamas. He remarked, “There is every danger that Hamas is perceiving it right now as a reward for what it carried out on October 7.”

 

O’Sullivan's criticism comes in the wake of the Irish government's formal recognition of Palestine earlier in the week, a move that has sparked significant controversy. He stated, “Hamas began this current conflict. This current round of an age-old conflict was started by Hamas. It sickens me to see the video clips of what they did to young, vibrant women out celebrating a concert. They were humiliated, degraded, raped.” He also noted that a significant sector of the Palestinian community seemed to support Hamas' actions, which he believes should be considered by the pro-Palestinian lobby in Ireland.

 

 

While condemning the violence perpetrated by Hamas, O’Sullivan also made it clear that he does not support the level of Israeli violence in Gaza. He emphasized that expressing even a slightly different perspective from the dominant pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas views in Ireland often leads to accusations of being “genocidal.”

 

The Israeli government reacted strongly to Dublin’s decision to recognize Palestine, accusing the Irish government of rewarding terrorism. In response, Simon Harris, the Taoiseach, stated, “The IRA was never the people of Ireland and Hamas is not the people of Palestine.” 

 

O’Sullivan further criticized Sinn Féin, the former political wing of the IRA, for its strong support of Palestine. He pointed out the irony in their stance, given their history with the IRA, stating, “A great number of the people who are most vociferous in their condemnation of the violence and atrocities being perpetrated in Gaza have no problem countenancing commemoration services for the Provisional IRA.”

 

The senator underscored the historical violence carried out by the IRA, noting, “The IRA massacred thousands of people in our own country, including thousands of people of the Catholic faith.” He suggested that there seems to be a selective focus on violence in specific geographic locations, which is inconsistent given Ireland’s own troubled past with the IRA.

 

This controversy unfolds as Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil prepare for European elections next week and a general election that must be called by March next year. The timing and implications of Ireland’s recognition of Palestine are likely to remain a contentious issue in the political arena.

 

Related Topics: 

Ireland's Profound Support for Palestine: A Historical and Political Analysis

Ireland, Norway, & Spain to Recognize Palestinian State Amid Ongoing Israel-Hamas Conflict

 

Credit: Sky News 2024-06-01

 

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Brainwashed by US? Stupid man!🥴

It is good to see Ireland and several other countries recognizing a Palestinian State (the details of which still need to be agreed upon) after a decades long Talkfest among the major world countries that haven't even seriously tried to achieve a result. Too much consideration is given to Israel that was awarded a right to exist by the United Nations (within the bounds of Israel). It has no proprietorial rights over Gaza and the West Bank and a framework for the.  establishment of a Palestinian state should be developed for UN approval, with or without Israel's blessing. If they don't want to play ball then the US and other countries should withdraw their support. 

I prefer a 22 state solution- Israel and 22 Arab states. They can all generously provide for their Palestinian brothers and sisters who were displaced in the attempted genocide of 1948.  Collectively it would be easy. Maybe even throw them a few bucks from the UN to make it easier. 

7 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Hamas is interested in only 1 thing, wipe out Israel.  By Norway, Spain and Ireland rewarding them for their barbaric acts only makes them bolder. Not to mention, those 3 countries are comprised mostly of infidels, and their destiny is well documented in the Koran. 

Perhaps you can quote the Koran where it documents the destiny of infidels?

 

 

7 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Sad, always thought Ireland was a nice country with nice people.

They are nice people, which is why they recognise Palestine.

5 hours ago, Brian Hull said:

It is good to see Ireland and several other countries recognizing a Palestinian State (the details of which still need to be agreed upon) after a decades long Talkfest among the major world countries that haven't even seriously tried to achieve a result. Too much consideration is given to Israel that was awarded a right to exist by the United Nations (within the bounds of Israel). It has no proprietorial rights over Gaza and the West Bank and a framework for the.  establishment of a Palestinian state should be developed for UN approval, with or without Israel's blessing. If they don't want to play ball then the US and other countries should withdraw their support. 

The UN created an Arab state as well but the Arab world decided to start a war instead. 

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are nice people, which is why they recognise Palestine.

Not about being nice.

The Irish appear to be irrationally projecting traumas from their own history on the conflict.

The trouble is they are completely different histories.

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are nice people, which is why they recognise Palestine.

Yeah I know that for some people anti-semitic means nice.

7 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Sad, always thought Ireland was a nice country with nice people.

Ireland have a leftie government in power. Probably not for much longer according to the Irish people I know. 

I don't think the Irish people support Hamas, it's just the Irish government that do. 

8 hours ago, Excogitator said:

Hamas is a protest movement against Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people. A two state solution will lead to an end of this oppression. Hence, there will be no more reason for extremist groups like Hamas to even exist.

 

The more violence, the more extremists. The less violence, the less extremists.

 

A two state solution rewards the moderates who only want to live lives in peace and prosperity and with dignity.

I think you're wearing rose tinted glasses. If a two state solution is ever implemented, Hamas are not going to just walk away. 

 

Hamas would hold on to power as leaders of the the new Palestinian state. Israel would have a permanent threat on their border. 

Hamas have made it very clear that their goal is to eradicate Israel. They're not just a protest movement against Israeli oppression as you put it. Ridding the oppression is just for starters. 

 

You paint a nice picture of peace and tranquillity, but you seem to ignore the kind of entity we're dealing with here (Hamas). I wish it was as simple as you make it out to be. 

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Ireland have a leftie government in power. Probably not for much longer according to the Irish people I know. 

I don't think the Irish people support Hamas, it's just the Irish government that do. 

Are you for real? Supporting Palestinians against a nation apparently  bombing them in safe zones is not "supporting Hamas". Just telling untruths isn't going to make it so.