What does the average British expat think of Tommy?

[josephbloggs]

30 minutes ago, theblether said:

I'm going to be controversial and the English coterie among my friends have discussed this. Why was there no grooming gang scandal in Scotland or Ireland? 

 

Why did the only attempted terrorist attack in Scotland result in a majestic calamity for the perpetrators? Why has there never been a similar attack in Ireland? 

 

Why did 40 people stand and watch the killers of Lee Evans peacock around the street for 20 minutes? Do you think 40 Scots or Irish would have done that?

 

This goes back to Harold Wilson and Denis Healy mid-60's and has continued since. The English have crapped it and ran from their major cities. You have literally surrendered London, Bradford and others. 

 

And here's the difference. The Scots and Irish would have taken the groomers away early doors. We look on with utter amazement at what the English have allowed. 

 

Why did I mention Wilson? He knew that Scotland would kick off due to The Troubles. He feared that. He did not fear the English kicking off as you don't have the societal bond of the Celts. 

 

Hundreds of years of religious war  prepped a certain psychology. 

Right, so here are the Scots taking away the groomers early doors. Good job they couldn't get away with it in their communities - the Scots wouldn't allow it. Er, oh.

https://news.sky.com/story/seven-members-of-paedophile-gang-guilty-of-running-monstrous-child-sex-abuse-ring-13008082

[Bday Prang]

11 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Yes it's racist. 

 

Do you think the IRA would have turned a blind eye to these groomer gangs. Or the UVF, the UDA, Red Hand Commando? 

 

Do you think Scottish and Irish gangsters would have turned a blind eye? 

 

Here's the bottom line. The English ponied it. And that includes your "gangsters." 

Sadly it only takes one bad (or woke) apple to spoil everything,  The police under normal circumstances would have pursued the Rotherham grooming  case with relish, but their hands were effectively tied when they were instructed by "whoever" to step back a bit due to fears of upsetting racial sensitivities or attracting accusations of racism. I don't know who instructed that, and no doubt they have been allowed to quietly resign  but they should be imprisoned, 

  Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back on 

I would imagine any influence our own gangsters may have traditionally held has rapidly been diminished following the unchecked rise of foreign lead gangs who now call the shots 

[Martin71]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

Sadly it only takes one bad (or woke) apple to spoil everything,  The police under normal circumstances would have pursued the Rotherham grooming  case with relish, but their hands were effectively tied when they were instructed by "whoever" to step back a bit due to fears of upsetting racial sensitivities or attracting accusations of racism. I don't know who instructed that, and no doubt they have been allowed to quietly resign  but they should be imprisoned, 

  Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back on 

I would imagine any influence our own gangsters may have traditionally held has rapidly been diminished following the unchecked rise of foreign lead gangs who now call the shots 

 

Well said sir..

[Martin71]

Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back .....

 

Yet....

 

ps ...sorry for cutting your post...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Right, so here are the Scots taking away the groomers early doors. Good job they couldn't get away with it in their communities - the Scots wouldn't allow it. Er, oh.

https://news.sky.com/story/seven-members-of-paedophile-gang-guilty-of-running-monstrous-child-sex-abuse-ring-13008082

            A truly revolting case, but unlike the Asian grooming gang incident, the  police were not  at any time "advised" to take things easy for fear of upsetting the communities involved. Why would that be? 

           Asking a question like that, too loudly, is all it takes for one to become the target of a lefty hate campaign, the ultimate target of such campaigns being to utterly destroy the victim by any means possible  

            The predictable  outpouring of hatred for Tommy Robinson by certain members on here, who know little about the guy or what he believes in shows how effective this cancel culture can be .

[Nick Carter icp]

19 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Sadly it only takes one bad (or woke) apple to spoil everything,  The police under normal circumstances would have pursued the Rotherham grooming  case with relish, but their hands were effectively tied when they were instructed by "whoever" to step back a bit due to fears of upsetting racial sensitivities or attracting accusations of racism. I don't know who instructed that, and no doubt they have been allowed to quietly resign  but they should be imprisoned, 

  Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back on 

I would imagine any influence our own gangsters may have traditionally held has rapidly been diminished following the unchecked rise of foreign lead gangs who now call the shots 

 

   Been some suggestions that there were higher up people involved .  top police and politicians 

[Bday Prang]

13 minutes ago, Martin71 said:

Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back .....

 

Yet....

 

ps ...sorry for cutting your post...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I won't be holding my breath      Any organisation or individual  who is seen to be supporting or representing the indigenous population is quickly identified and  labelled as extreme right wing ,   they are then eventually banned, silenced, or,  become a figure of hatred on social and mainstream media 

[theblether]

36 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Sadly it only takes one bad (or woke) apple to spoil everything,  The police under normal circumstances would have pursued the Rotherham grooming  case with relish, but their hands were effectively tied when they were instructed by "whoever" to step back a bit due to fears of upsetting racial sensitivities or attracting accusations of racism. I don't know who instructed that, and no doubt they have been allowed to quietly resign  but they should be imprisoned, 

  Unfortunately us English unlike our Irish neighbours,  do not have a paramilitary organisation to fall back on 

I would imagine any influence our own gangsters may have traditionally held has rapidly been diminished following the unchecked rise of foreign lead gangs who now call the shots 

 

We have police in Scotland too. 

[Bday Prang]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Been some suggestions that there were higher up people involved .  top police and politicians 

Without doubt,  I even think some senior social workers and, unbelievably  various  "community leaders"  were invited to add their penny's worth regarding how the matter should proceed.    I have watched a few documentaries about it but it was a while ago and I cant remember all the details

As an aside, I believe any police officer above the rank of chief inspector ceases to be involved in crime fighting, and is involved purely in the "politics" of it all

[theblether]

35 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

            A truly revolting case, but unlike the Asian grooming gang incident, the  police were not  at any time "advised" to take things easy for fear of upsetting the communities involved. Why would that be? 

           Asking a question like that, too loudly, is all it takes for one to become the target of a lefty hate campaign, the ultimate target of such campaigns being to utterly destroy the victim by any means possible  

            The predictable  outpouring of hatred for Tommy Robinson by certain members on here, who know little about the guy or what he believes in shows how effective this cancel culture can be .

 

Correct. 

 

And may I point out another difference. It's long been known that the paramilitary organisations and police had a close relationship. What many of you don't know is that here in Scotland - and this is a fact - the police will approach people of ability to short-circuit justice. It's called good policing. 

 

I refuse to believe that it doesn't happen in England too - there are far too many well-known stories of English police interacting with gangsters and not only for enrichment reasons. The difference with the grooming gangs was the racist aspect, they - and the entire civic structure of English governance with a few heroic individual exceptions - abandoned ship. It was and still is a national disgrace. 

[Martin71]

Unfortunately... I can only agree 100% 

[theblether]

21 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Without doubt,  I even think some senior social workers and, unbelievably  various  "community leaders"  were invited to add their penny's worth regarding how the matter should proceed.    I have watched a few documentaries about it but it was a while ago and I cant remember all the details

As an aside, I believe any police officer above the rank of chief inspector ceases to be involved in crime fighting, and is involved purely in the "politics" of it all

 

You may be unaware that many of the child victims of these grooming gangs were sent to Scotland for protection and rehabilitation. English local authorities were paying Scottish social work departments as much as £3000 a week to support these kids. The financial bill is astronomical. 

 

The root of this is the playbook. The 5% rule. 

 

As soon as a group gains 5% influence they are in a position to group vote representatives into power. Once they are in power they set out to run their agenda. American readers will be familiar with the infamous Tammany Hall Irish bloc vote. It's not just a Muslim stunt. all immigrant groups congregate then start to gain influence. 

 

Make no mistake that the race agenda in the country coincided with certain areas having bloc votes based upon religion and colour. 1987 saw Diane Abbot elected, for example, and that was the start of race infecting everything. 

 

This very day she is national news again and is using her race as a shield. No white politician could put up a performance as truly dreadful as hers and expect to remain in position. 

 

When the 5% becomes 10%, we're forked. 

[theblether]

I better explain why we're forked. 

 

When everything is based on race or religion, competency goes out the window.  The colour of skin or religious belief is more important than actually - you know - doing a good job. Then the jobs for the boys start, the gravy train starts running at full stream, and jobs that don't exist in the real world start to appear on the public purse. 

 

If this sounds like the rants of a white supremacist, I suggest you look at the South African election result this weekend as former ANC voters are heartily sick of having the p*ss taken out of them. And just like Mugabe, you've got next to no chance of pulling corrupt ANC officials of the golden tit. 

 

And what happens then? the basic job of governance collapses as we see people in positions of power who are not only useless, but know it and don't care. Like this idiot. 

 

Do you know what Robinson really wants? His bins emptied, a chance of seeing his GP within two weeks, and for wee lassies to grow up without being r*ped. Don't we all? 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

12 hours ago, Kinok Farang said:

This is mostly for the Brits on here but lesser nations can join in too.

We have had a rather stormy couple of months here in Thailand but this question is about what is happening at home.

What does the average Brit here think of Tommy Robinson?There doesn't seem to be any middle ground with him.You either love him or hate him.

I'm writing this because on 1stJune he organised a massive peaceful protest in London which was a huge success without any trouble at all but the MSM either refused to acknowledge it or reported it as right wing football supporters.

I like the guy.Yes he is rough round the edges but was first in the firing line with the grooming gang scandal when all others turned a blind eye.

Oh,Tommy Tommy.

Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson.

"Lesser nations' and the name Kinok Farang, enough said.

Muppet show comes to mind.

Edited June 2 by FritsSikkink

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

"Lesser nations' and the name Kinok Farang, enough said.

Muppet show comes to mind.

 

   It was a joke , not serious 

[mstevens]

I'm not a Brit, but I have the utmost respect for Tommy Robinson. Strikes me as a proud patriot.

[Kinok Farang]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

"and the rape of young white girls"

Why even mention "white"? That's a bit odd. "And their rape of young girls" would be better, no? Or are white rapes different?

...........and lets not forget his chums, all in the EDL - some of them very close to good old Stephen Y-L - all who got convicted for grooming, child sex abuse or other crimes against minors. And the "leader" didn't condemn one, in fact he even publicly defended his convicted nonce mate Richard Price.

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/01/11/tommy-robinson-is-a-hypocrite-when-it-comes-to-opposing-child-sexual-exploitation/

Yes it was white girls only.Not just mass rape but racist rape too.Open your fxxking eyes.

[Kinok Farang]

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Er, right, ok. Joe Bloggs is generally used to mean "average Joe", or "Joe public" or as an alias for someone who wishes to remain anonymous.

Do you think it's my real name?

So you have got a puffy real name too,just like Tommy.

[Klong Song]

Lesser nations?

[Ricksta1985]

16 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I don't have permission to post here as I'm from the long list of greater nations.

 

All this kerfuffle about a man named Tommy? It's pathetic.

 

 

To suggest any nation is greater than the greatest is completely absurd. 

[CharlieH]

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[gravity101]

6 hours ago, theblether said:

Do you know what Robinson really wants? His bins emptied, a chance of seeing his GP within two weeks, and for wee lassies to grow up without being r*ped. Don't we all? 

If only this was the whole truth. He has many valid points and his direct activist approach I can see grinding some gears. Problem is, his messages are garbled, (He hates totalitarianism but advoctes for totalitarianism as a clear example). His supporters are largely toxic when together or on social media, and despite his denying, he is and his supports are way right of center. The man would like nothing more than to ensure everyone is Christian and not Muslim in London despite what he says. Don't believe me,, just watch his social media and his retweets and likes. His blame of immigrants to all of UKs (and Europe's) woes is misplaced. It would frighten the <deleted> out of me if I saw this behaviour against us, the immigrants in Thailand. (Which does exist in pockets on social media now).

Edited June 3 by gravity101

[Kinok Farang]

8 minutes ago, Ricksta1985 said:

Yes, so just to clarify, that would be every other country in existence. 

Hahaha,thanks for your input Rick,cheers.

[Ricksta1985]

Just now, Kinok Farang said:

Hahaha,thanks for your input Rick,cheers.

Haha, no problem mate 😄

[jippytum]

I quite like what he stands for. However I an sad the George Cross flag is now associated with the far right and not given the honour it deserves. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Expat68]

Don't think about, after the Election nothing will change

[Surasak]

18 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Just a violent ultra right-wing, highly convicted felon. "Wants his country back" means nothing.

A few highlights.

 

"Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (born Stephen Christopher Yaxley, 27 November 1982), better known as Tommy Robinson, is a British anti-Islam campaigner, convicted criminal, and one of the UK’s most prominent far-right activists. He was a political advisor to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Gerard Batten.

 

Robinson has been active in far-right politics for many years. He was a member of the British National Party (BNP), a neo-fascist and white nationalist political party, from 2004 to 2005. For a short time in 2012, he was joint vice-chairman of the far-right British Freedom Party (BFP). He co-founded the far-right English Defence League (EDL) in 2009 and led it until 8 October 2013. In 2015, he became involved with the development of Pegida UK, a now-defunct British chapter of the German far-right Pegida. From 2017 to 2018, he wrote and appeared in videos on the Canadian far-right website Rebel News.

 

Robinson has been convicted for multiple crimes involving violence, stalking, financial and immigration fraud, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court. He has served at least four separate prison terms: for assault in 2005, for using false travel documents to enter the United States in 2012, for mortgage fraud in 2014, and 13 months in 2018 for contempt of court after publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering a law court (contravening a court order that disallows reporting on such trials while proceedings are ongoing). In August 2018, due to procedural errors, he was released on bail pending a new hearing. In July 2019, he was again found guilty of contempt of court at the retrial and was committed at the Old Bailey to nine months in prison․ Before his sentencing, he appeared on the American far-right website InfoWars to appeal for political asylum in the U.S. He was released from prison on 13 September 2019 after nine weeks.

 

In July 2021, Robinson was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs, although he had filed for bankruptcy in March 2021. In October 2021, he was made subject to a five-year stalking order for harassing journalist Lizzie Dearden and her partner.

 

"....but lost his job when he was convicted of assaulting an off-duty police officer in a drunken argument. He served a 12-month prison sentence."

 

"Robinson has appeared masked at protests. Although Robinson repeatedly insisted from the early days of the organisation that the EDL was "against the rise of radical Islam" and that its members "aren't against Islam", its rank and file were noted for including football hooligans and members who described themselves as anti-Muslim."

 

"Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton the previous year. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". He was sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order with 150 hours' unpaid work and a three-year ban from attending football matches."

 

"On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.[1][18] He was sentenced to 12 weeks' imprisonment, suspended for 12 months."

 

 

 

 

What is known as a 'Bit of a Lad', then? He is of course entitled to his opinion, but there are better ways of making said opinion known. Going to the extreme of violence is a fools errand, and achieves very little other than hate.

[retarius]

The most common form of censorship is failure to report on a newsworthy item. In this way most people who consume only mass media end up with distorted ideas about world event, and might think for example that the genocide by the IDF is a good idea....or poking the bear in Russia to start WW3 is a good idea. Yes, sadly the world is full of morons who never ask the question why.....why would Putin do that? 

 

I am a 100% believer in free speech. With me people should be able to say anything even gross insults, lies and fabrications. Without free speech people are led by the nose. Free speech is necessary to get people to think about what they read or listen to, and ask questions about its credibility. We have been led by the nose into giving up free speech, because this is a major advantage to the politicians seeking to control us more and more. Why is is a huge advantage? Well the politicians control the media in Britain along with the press barons.....that's why, in case you might be wondering, the same story in every British newspaper is written and reads the same way, it is just copied from a government sourced press pack.

 

We have very few journalists any more, most go to the press conference, don't ask any questions and then dutifully have the relevant items from the press pack printing the following day. That's why, just in case you ever noticed why anti-Syrian forces were always (100% of the time) referred to as 'rebels' (yes including ISIS rebels if the DOD wanted a story promoted). Why rebels? Well rebels has a positive side to it in m market research testing which the DoD did before picking that as the designated term for people who set bombs off in the middle of Damascus.

 

About insults. A very intelligent Supreme Court judge (now deceased unfortunately) once said "What is the point of having free speech if you can't insult anybody?" He was a thinker....a species being hunted down with sniper rifles by Government,ents everywhere. 

 

Tommy Robinson is not someone I would like to spend an evening with in polite company. But I support his right to say anything he wants about our modern day protected species like muslims, trans people, gays, Catholics, protestants, Chinese, Russians, French, Indians, Pakistanis, blacks etc etc and British people. But I also support the right of reply by these 'insulted categories'. Grow a thicker skin is my advice for the snowflakes who propose giving up free speech. Where would Assange be if free speech was absolute? All he did was publicise the US government committing crimes. 

[CharlieH]

Can we please desist with the compulsion to post music videos in this topic.

 

They are off topic deflections and will be removed.

[richard_smith237]

20 hours ago, DaLa said:

I'm all for the right of free speech.  I do not support some of the recent events in the UK where protesters have blocked the roads and supported violent vocal attacks. Thankfully I can live here in los without the angst that is building in the UK. Some of the problems of the UK are being voiced by Tommy Robinson and his supporters and to label him as simply a troublemaker is ignoring those issues.

Completely agree....

 

While I do not endorse all of Tommy Robinson's views or his often deliberately provocative manner of speaking, I find that much of what he says is difficult to dispute. The challenge lies in his public persona, which tends to come across as thuggish. This perception ensures that he will always be seen in a negative light by those in power and much of the middle and upper classes.

 

There is a significant degree of negative bias in the official reporting on him, which distorts the opinions of those who are undecided on many contentious issues. His position is a challenging one, as he speaks out against a mainstream wokeness that, in his view, is undermining the safety and harmony of British society, particularly in inner cities.

 

In contrast, Douglas Murray is another prolific and outspoken figure who articulates his opinions with a clarity and finesse that cannot be ignored.