Trump's Political Strategy: Shifting Blame for Afghanistan to Harris

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Like you read HR's book that just came out four days ago. You are just regurgitating another leftist talking point.

 

I am pretty familiar with HR's opinion on Trump having listened to him on the "GoodFellows" podcast for a couple years. 

If you listen like you research the level of your understanding is obviously questionable since you don't seem to know the facts and timeline of what Trump put in place. He withdrew 13000 and the fact that Biden did delay the final withdrawal of 2500 military. The president isn't responsible for coordinating the actual logistics of the final withdrawal of men and equipment, thats on the military.

[Hanaguma]

35 minutes ago, Dan O said:

If you listen like you research the level of your understanding is obviously questionable since you don't seem to know the facts and timeline of what Trump put in place. He withdrew 13000 and the fact that Biden did delay the final withdrawal of 2500 military. The president isn't responsible for coordinating the actual logistics of the final withdrawal of men and equipment, thats on the military.

Yes, on the Commander in Chief of the military. And who might that be.....

 

Biden wanted the withdrawl to coincide with the 20th anniversary of 9/11. He wanted a photo op and a meme, and he sacrificed lives to get it.  What a chump.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Just for you...I know that.

 

You never read what I say so you just carry on.

 

You mentioned Taliban should not have attacked the Afghan government as they were any ally of the US. I again highlighted the US Taliban agreement for US forces withdrawal had no requirement for the Taliban to cease attacks on Afghan government forces. Negotiations between Afghan government and Taliban were meant to be a separate process after the US Taliban agreement called the Intra-Afghan negotiations commencing in March 2020.

 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-taliban-peace-deal-agreement-afghanistan-war

 

 

[Hummin]

so short sighted by Trump, and he should be glad he was out of the office when the time for pulling out ended. All he can do, and what he do best is to blaim anyone else! Thats all he got

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, Dan O said:

If you listen like you research the level of your understanding is obviously questionable since you don't seem to know the facts and timeline of what Trump put in place. He withdrew 13000 and the fact that Biden did delay the final withdrawal of 2500 military. The president isn't responsible for coordinating the actual logistics of the final withdrawal of men and equipment, thats on the military.

More nonsensical bs from you 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

You mentioned Taliban should not have attacked the Afghan government as they were any ally of the US. I again highlighted the US Taliban agreement for US forces withdrawal had no requirement for the Taliban to cease attacks on Afghan government forces. Negotiations between Afghan government and Taliban were meant to be a separate process after the US Taliban agreement called the Intra-Afghan negotiations commencing in March 2020.

 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-taliban-peace-deal-agreement-afghanistan-war

 

 

 

 

DOHA AGREEMENT

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

 

PART TWO

1. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including al-Qa’ida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies.

[Dan O]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, on the Commander in Chief of the military. And who might that be.....

 

Biden wanted the withdrawl to coincide with the 20th anniversary of 9/11. He wanted a photo op and a meme, and he sacrificed lives to get it.  What a chump.

Check your facts. He doesn't do any logistics planning in or for the military, he just sets policy direction. There is a whole section of tge military responsible for the logistics. You pathetic in your opinion that he sacrificed lives for a photo op and meme.

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

More nonsensical bs from you 

Nope, fact you can check it since your so good at researching 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Nope, fact you can check it since your so good at researching 

Why should I have to support your false claims? You are supposed to do that. 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, on the Commander ichoefn Chief of the military. And who might that be.....

 

Biden wanted the withdrawl to coincide with the 20th anniversary of 9/11. He wanted a photo op and a meme, and he sacrificed lives to get it.  What a chump.

 

Yes Biden C-in-C = Chump In Chief.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Check your facts. He doesn't do any logistics planning in or for the military, he just sets policy direction. There is a whole section of tge military responsible for the logistics. You pathetic in your opinion that he sacrificed lives for a photo op and meme.

Yep, he just told them to be out by 9/11 and went to beach. Not his fault. 

[riclag]

source :Last paragraph 

”As the political landscape continues to evolve, Trump's efforts to rewrite the narrative on Afghanistan will be scrutinized by both his supporters and critics. Whether this strategy will effectively bolster his position remains to be seen, but it undoubtedly adds another layer of complexity to the upcoming election”

 

Most low information voters know of Trumps claims of  biden/harris  administration leaving behind  billions in military equipment but I think 

they dont know that our tax dollars are funding 

the Taliban indirectly…

Its the bureaucracy dummy!

The unelected  officials who take US tax dollars to divert towards the guise of humanitarian aid , ends up in the Afghan bank which is controlled by terror group,Taliban .

 

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U.N. Has Flown More Than $2.9 Billion in Cash to Afghanistan Since the Taliban Seized Power, Diverting U.S. Funds

The U.S. State Department has previously said that no U.S. funds went to the militant group, but a new federal report indicates that some taxpayer money has ended up in the Taliban-controlled central bank of Afghanistan.

https://www.propublica.org/article/united-nations-cash-afghanistan-following-taliban-takeover

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

source :Last paragraph 

”As the political landscape continues to evolve, Trump's efforts to rewrite the narrative on Afghanistan will be scrutinized by both his supporters and critics. Whether this strategy will effectively bolster his position remains to be seen, but it undoubtedly adds another layer of complexity to the upcoming election”

 

Most low information voters know of Trumps claims of  biden/harris  administration leaving behind  billions in military equipment but I think 

they dont know that our tax dollars are funding 

the Taliban indirectly…

Its the bureaucracy dummy!

The unelected  officials who take US tax dollars to divert towards the guise of humanitarian aid , ends up in the Afghan bank which is controlled by terror group,Taliban .

 

.

 

 

 

 

 

U.N. Has Flown More Than $2.9 Billion in Cash to Afghanistan Since the Taliban Seized Power, Diverting U.S. Funds

The U.S. State Department has previously said that no U.S. funds went to the militant group, but a new federal report indicates that some taxpayer money has ended up in the Taliban-controlled central bank of Afghanistan.

https://www.propublica.org/article/united-nations-cash-afghanistan-following-taliban-takeover

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another great article. Unbelievable. 

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, riclag said:

source :Last paragraph 

”As the political landscape continues to evolve, Trump's efforts to rewrite the narrative on Afghanistan will be scrutinized by both his supporters and critics. Whether this strategy will effectively bolster his position remains to be seen, but it undoubtedly adds another layer of complexity to the upcoming election”

 

Most low information voters know of Trumps claims of  biden/harris  administration leaving behind  billions in military equipment but I think 

they dont know that our tax dollars are funding 

the Taliban indirectly…

Its the bureaucracy dummy!

The unelected  officials who take US tax dollars to divert towards the guise of humanitarian aid , ends up in the Afghan bank which is controlled by terror group,Taliban .

 

.

 

 

 

 

 

U.N. Has Flown More Than $2.9 Billion in Cash to Afghanistan Since the Taliban Seized Power, Diverting U.S. Funds

The U.S. State Department has previously said that no U.S. funds went to the militant group, but a new federal report indicates that some taxpayer money has ended up in the Taliban-controlled central bank of Afghanistan.

https://www.propublica.org/article/united-nations-cash-afghanistan-following-taliban-takeover

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roll on Gop congressman’s statement 

@ the 9:15 mark in the Forbes video on Afghanistan, millions still going to Taliban  and harris signed off on this plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoeFitV_Gmc

[riclag]

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Another great article. Unbelievable. 

Rep Eli Crane explains it all in the Forbes video, completely  by using harris signed off  on the Afghanistan disaster , which is still continuing through indirect funding!

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/30/2024 at 11:10 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Is it your contention that Biden did not postpone the withdrawal? LOL.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan

The Trump Administration's decision in February 2020 was to begin the withdrawal on 1 May 2021, but the final pull-out of all US troops was delayed by the Biden Administration until September 2021, triggering the start of the collapse of the ANSF.[9] This collapse led to the Taliban takeover of Kabul on 15 August 2021.

To the two posters that gave that an emoji laugh, you were laughing at Wikipedia, so that seems a bit weird to me.

Perhaps you are the ones that follow me around putting laughs on my posts, rather than responding.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/30/2024 at 4:00 PM, mdr224 said:

Arent you british? Stop spending your time trying to turn our country into yours

Perhaps it's revenge for all the <deleted> the US has put on Britain. IMO Harris will be a fitting punishment, if elected.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/30/2024 at 4:21 PM, nauseus said:

 

What debacle?

Exactly. Al Jazeera "dislikes" Trump, but they didn't even mention it, so can't be much to pontificate about.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/30/2024 at 5:08 PM, spidermike007 said:

He is easily the worst VP pick since Dan Quayle. 

Seriously?

IMO none could be worse than Cheney, though Gore wouldn't be far behind.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/30/2024 at 5:10 PM, spidermike007 said:

If you're willing to bother to read history they did postpone it, however they did not postpone it long enough. 

and that was 100% down to Biden. He's CIC so he gets to decide.

Was Trump pulling his strings?

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Dan O said:

More nonsensical bs from you 

Excellent response from you fully explaining why you consider it's nonsense.

 

Keep up the good work, as I'm agog to see your next contribution to the vibrant and informative conversation on the forum.

[simple1]

13 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

 

DOHA AGREEMENT

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

 

PART TWO

1. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including al-Qa’ida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies.

If I'm not mistaken 'allies' rereferred to NATO forces.  The Taliban and Afghan government peace negotiations were subject to a separate process, The Intra-Afghan negotiations. The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord,^[1] was a peace agreement signed by the United States and the Taliban on 29 February 2020 in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan.^[2][3] Negotiated for the US by Zalmay Khalilzad for the Trump administration, the agreement did not involve the then Afghan government.^[4] The deal, which also had secret annexes, was one of the critical events that caused the collapse of the Afghan National Defense and Security

Forces (ANDSF)

 

intra-Afghan negotiations were scheduled to begin on March 10, 2020. The provisions of the deal included the withdrawal of all NATO troops from Afghanistan, a Taliban pledge to prevent al-Qaeda from operating in areas under Taliban control, a Taliban pledge to not attack United States troops, (note no mention of Afghan government forces) and talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government

 

Some more detail:

 

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp2122/Quick_Guides/BackgroundToAfghanistanWithdrawal#:~:text=Intra-Afghan negotiations were intermittent,Taliban's version of Sharia law.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously?

IMO none could be worse than Cheney, though Gore wouldn't be far behind.

Bush Jr. did not select Cheney. Cheney and his squad selected Bush Jr. 

[stevenl]

He can yry, and of course he tries.

But it won't change things. His MAGA crowd will believe him, but that's not important. He has to get swing voters in, and thety won't believe it. Trump has the problem that he has to keep the MAGA crowd enthusiastic while at the same time appealing to the undecided. And those 2 things are very difficult, maybe impossible, to combine.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Bush Jr. did not select Cheney. Cheney and his squad selected Bush Jr. 

Who selected Harris? 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Bush Jr. did not select Cheney. Cheney and his squad selected Bush Jr. 

I can agree with that, but isn't that how US politics works?

Harris never became POTUS candidate by her own efforts- she has been imposed on America, and the world ( if she wins ).

[thaibeachlovers]

43 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He can yry, and of course he tries.

But it won't change things. His MAGA crowd will believe him, but that's not important. He has to get swing voters in, and thety won't believe it. Trump has the problem that he has to keep the MAGA crowd enthusiastic while at the same time appealing to the undecided. And those 2 things are very difficult, maybe impossible, to combine.

I'd say it's Harris's to lose, but she may yet do something on the lines of Clinton's "deplorables" comment. There is yet time for her mask to slip and the real Harris to be seen.

If the press was as nasty to her as it is to Trump, she wouldn't stand a chance, IMO. They are covering for her big time.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Bush Jr. did not select Cheney. Cheney and his squad selected Bush Jr. 

Trump liked to say he only picked the best people.........

 

 

[spidermike007]

45 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump liked to say he only picked the best people.........

 

 

Both he and Vance are melting down before our eyes. They are both awful campaigners. See ya big Donnie boy. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd say it's Harris's to lose, but she may yet do something on the lines of Clinton's "deplorables" comment. There is yet time for her mask to slip and the real Harris to be seen.

If the press was as nasty to her as it is to Trump, she wouldn't stand a chance, IMO. They are covering for her big time.

Hillary was a terrible campaigner. So far, Harris has been amazing. I think she is a quick study and is adapting, something Trump is incapable of. He is a fossil.