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And yet, the USA, operating on a deficit budget, sends Turkey shy of 200 million last year.  Why ???

 

Also a NATO member, and wanting to join BRICS, and people talk about WW III ... :cheesy:   IGNORANCE IS BLISS

 

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7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Who thought it was a good idea to let individual US sailors wander around in a Muslim country? Just asking for trouble, IMO.

Turks are angry about israel in Gaza and the US is joined at the hip with israel.

given that is the current government policies. whether right or wrong supporting them is irrelevant. the current leaders jumped in with both feet. Now the people must follow them so they are all at risk

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Having dealt with Turkey for over 30 years, I know that the point of view expressed by the attackers is shared by a tiny minority of the population.

They also seem too old to spend their time hunting for American sailors and attacking them. I wouldn't be surprised if they are on the payroll of one of America's foes in the region. 

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15 hours ago, Tug said:

Some sailors on leave got beat up……meh been happening since 1776.

Then the rest of his squad  come back the next night and seek retribution. That's the way it was when I was in the Kate Carney.😉

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6 hours ago, placeholder said:

You sure about that?

Turkey And The West: A Parenthesis Or A Historical Shift?
A poll conducted in December 2022 by the Turkish company Gezici found that 72.8% of Turkish citizens polled were in favor of good relations with Russia. By comparison, nearly 90% perceive the United States as a hostile country. It also revealed that 24.2% of citizens believe that Russia is hostile, while 62.6% believe that Russia is a friendly country. 

https://www.hoover.org/research/turkey-and-west-parenthesis-or-historical-shift

 

Survey: Majority of Turks don't see the US as their ally
Shortly after President Biden called the events of 1915 “genocide”, a poll suggested that a vast majority of Turkish people no longer consider the US an ally.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/survey-majority-of-turks-don-t-see-the-us-as-their-ally-46437

 

Apart from the US support for Israel, You think the Turks have forgotten or forgiven the consequences of the Iraq War?

 

The fact that the USA are perceived as hostile by a majority of the Turkish people, doesn't mean that Turks are out on the hunt for American sailors 24/7.

This is an isolated incident, and the USA is still the second largest importer of Turkish goods right after Germany.

 

The positive perception of Russia is also due to the strong presence of Russian tourists in the country (6.3 million in 2023). In the same year, a record-breaking 1,3 million Americans visited Turkey (32 percent increase over 2022), a testament of the welcoming nature of the Turkish people.

 

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21 hours ago, Tug said:

Some sailors on leave got beat up……meh been happening since 1776.

 

Seriously? That was an organized mob attack. It was enabled by Erdogan and his nationalist rhetoric. When was the last time a violent  mob descended on US service personnel in Denmark or Canada or Israel or Thailand? One of the thugs  put a plastic bag over the head of one of the marines. They could have been killed and would have been seriously injured had some bystanders not delayed these savages.

Erdogan and his cronies have been double dealing for too long. They surreptitiously enable Putin, they threaten the EU with sending millions more refugees  to them, and they break trade sanctions.  Turkey should be treated for what it is, a  former colonial power that left a legacy of war in the middle east and that pines for the days when it enslaved the arab world.

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7 hours ago, AndreasHG said:

 

The fact that the USA are perceived as hostile by a majority of the Turkish people, doesn't mean that Turks are out on the hunt for American sailors 24/7.

This is an isolated incident, and the USA is still the second largest importer of Turkish goods right after Germany.

 

The positive perception of Russia is also due to the strong presence of Russian tourists in the country (6.3 million in 2023). In the same year, a record-breaking 1,3 million Americans visited Turkey (32 percent increase over 2022), a testament of the welcoming nature of the Turkish people.

 

Your original claim was at the views of the attackers was only shared by a tiny minority of Turks. I'm sure that most Turks don't support violence against members of Americans military, but as the evidence I linked to o shows, the views of the attackers re-america are shared by a big majority of Turks.

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24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Your original claim was at the views of the attackers was only shared by a tiny minority of Turks. I'm sure that most Turks don't support violence against members of Americans military, but as the evidence I linked to o shows, the views of the attackers re-america are shared by a big majority of Turks.

My original claim simply stated that the opinion of the "Youth Union of Turkey, a nationalist group that later claimed responsibility for the assault" is shared by a tiny minority of Turks. This is a fact.

But I recognize that my statement was vague enough to give rise to the wildest fantasies, like the one you indulged in.  

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14 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

My original claim simply stated that the opinion of the "Youth Union of Turkey, a nationalist group that later claimed responsibility for the assault" is shared by a tiny minority of Turks. This is a fact.

But I recognize that my statement was vague enough to give rise to the wildest fantasies, like the one you indulged in.  

You stated 

"Having dealt with Turkey for over 30 years, I know that the point of view expressed by the attackers is shared by a tiny minority of the population.".

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23 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

given that is the current government policies. whether right or wrong supporting them is irrelevant. the current leaders jumped in with both feet. Now the people must follow them so they are all at risk

Why quote me if not going to discuss what I said. IMO individual sailors should have not been allowed to go into the community and that's down to the Captain. He should have only allowed them to go out in a group with Turkish escort.

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18 hours ago, Gandtee said:

Then the rest of his squad  come back the next night and seek retribution. That's the way it was when I was in the Kate Carney.😉

and would they know exactly where to find them, or should they just beat up any passing Turk?

 

Good way to create a diplomatic incident.

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20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and would they know exactly where to find them, or should they just beat up any passing Turk?

 

Good way to create a diplomatic incident.

I am talking about over seventy years ago when political correctness was unknown except in politicians.

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7 hours ago, stevenl said:

You stated 

"Having dealt with Turkey for over 30 years, I know that the point of view expressed by the attackers is shared by a tiny minority of the population.".

According to the article, the "attackers were reportedly members of the Youth Union of Turkey, a nationalist group [...].". 

The Youth Union of Turkey is a Turkish anti-American, anti-Atlanticist, and Eurasianist revolutionary youth organization closely associated with the Patriotic Party.

The Patriotic Party is a leftist-party, strongly pro-China and pro-Russia as well as anti-American. It opposes any future Turkish membership in the European Union and any cooperation with what it calls "American imperialism".

The Patriotic Party has been voted by a very, very tiny minority of the population. It has 0 (zero) elected representatives in Grand National Assembly (the Turkish Parliament), 0 (zero) in both the Metropolitan and the District Municipalities, it has 0 (zero) elected Provincial Councilors.

All the Patriotic Party has been able to obtain in the last local elections is 5 representatives elected in municipal assemblies (5 out of the 20,498 representatives elected nationwide in the municipal assemblies, or 0.02%).

 

Now, if this is not a tiny minority, kindly tell us what you would consider as such.  

 

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14 hours ago, Gandtee said:

I am talking about over seventy years ago when political correctness was unknown except in politicians.

Ah, the good old days ( seriously ) when cops would take brats around the corner to give them an attitude correction, rather than now when cops just provide a taxi service to take ram raiding teenagers home, without so much as a spanking to look forward to, as the government has banned spanking.

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