9 hours ago, RSD1 said:

You know the tides are heavily turning away from Trump cultism when you have a very conservative and former two-term vice president who openly plans to vote for Harris. 

What? This is an anti-endorsement. The reason he's voting against Trump is that he's deeply embedded in the governments underbelly and Trump threatens this. Exactly the kind of person normal Americans hate and want to go away.

24 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Politicians are supposed to help the working class not the elites. So many elites voting Harris.

 

You mean like all of Trump's billionaire buddies?  And Trump's tax cuts for the rich?

 

Here Are Trump’s Top Billionaire Donors

Some of the nation’s wealthiest people are powering Trump’s bid to return to the White House: His 26 biggest billionaire backers, worth a combined $143 billion, have poured $162 million into the effort so far.

Aug 14, 2024

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leokamin/2024/08/14/here-are-trumps-top-billionaire-donors/

 

 

A true man of the people... NOT!

 

Trump pressed oil executives to give $1 billion for his campaign, people in industry say

“This is a scandal” and “an indictment of the system” — but probably legal, one legal watchdog told POLITICO.

 

05/09/2024

 

Former President Donald Trump asked oil industry executives last month to donate $1 billion to aid his campaign to retake the White House, three people familiar with the conversation told POLITICO — a request that campaign finance experts said appeared troubling but is probably legal.

 

The request, first reported Thursday by The Washington Post, occurred during a meeting of industry executives at the former president’s home in Palm Beach, Florida.

 

The oil industry has a long list of policy actions it would want Trump to take, including dismantling parts of President Joe Biden’s green agenda and rolling back pollution regulations that threaten to crimp their profits. As POLITICO reported Wednesday, oil executives are also preparing some highly specific requests for Trump, including executive orders they hope he would sign if reelected.

 

(more)

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131

 

 

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO it was never about Trump the man. It was about "draining the swamp". Many Americans loath Washington to the extent of voting for Trump, just because he said he is against the Washington cabal.

Trump is the swamp. And he lined it with even more swamp dwellers like Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Peter Navarro and others who have all either already served jail time and/or have been indicted for their political crimes related to Trump.

Trump's own CFO also already served two jail terms for criminal corporate financial fraud that he perpetrated on Trump's own behalf. So the swamp runs deep in Trump world. 
 

Then you have the 3 former Trump lawyers and veteran swamp dwellers (Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro and Jenna Ellis) who all pleaded guilty and accepted plea deals in a federal criminal prosecution related to their involvement in efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia.

It's amazing how so many people can have such a distorted view of reality. 
 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

On that I agree 100%. I'm still boggled that Bush got re elected.

For feeding the war machine yes. For the US security, no. The current administration is far worse and has put the US in a precarious high level security risk.

31 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

It's about well known conservatives openly jumping ship and crossing party lines.

Trump isn't a conservative. He's always been a New York liberal. The fact he came to champion middle America just reflects how the politics have shifted left and left him behind. Being a normal patriotic American in 1980 basically makes you far right in 2024 America.

4 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump threatens this.

The only thing Trump threatens is democracy and the rule of law. That's why so many well known republicans are voting blue.

A post making an unsourced and unsubstantiated claim has been removed.

 

A lot of Republicans and a lot of conservatives are abandoning this goon, and they're doing it for very good reasons. One of them is the fact that he has not been able to adapt to a new opponent on any level, and his madness, decline, and desperation is driving him to continue and even escalate the attacks. Many of those attacks now are on women and that does not go over very well with the general populace. He is a blazing idiot apparently and he just can't figure things out. 

 

If Trump and Vance went home, locked themselves up, and did not say anything, or appear again until the election, they would have a better chance of winning. Otherwise, they shoot themselves in the foot daily, as they are both horrendously poor candidates and campaigners. And Vance really needs to avoid donut shops, and Trump really needs do avoid all contact with the military. They despise him, for many good reasons. 

As it stands now, I do not see them getting elected, thankfully. Anyone but Trump. 

 

2 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

Trump is the swamp. And he lined it with even more swamp dwellers like Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, George Papadopoulos, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Peter Navarro and others who have either already served jail time and/or been indicted for their political crimes related to Trump.

 

That's total nonsense. Trump had 0 years in politics before being elected. He said recently this was a mistake and he's going to correct it (time will tell). All he knew when he got elected was the "best people" suggested them and he went with his advisors. He didn't know any better basically.

8 minutes ago, novacova said:

Of course he supports Harris, Dick Cheney is a neocon, a member of the neoliberal-con uniparty. Why would any rational American think his support for Harris is a good thing? Unless of course they’re warmongers and like their tax dollars going in the pockets of the MIC cabal and getting ripped off and scammed.

TBH, Dick Cheney is really mainly doing it to show support for his daughter's decision to support Harris. And his daughter being a respected conservative politician with integrity does matter. 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

As it stands now, I do not see them getting elected, thankfully. Anyone but Trump. 

The tides have turned though. Trump is an old man and 4 year means nothing in the scheme of things. People are paying attention to what happened with Trump and taking notes. The next generation of Republicans are going to be increasingly right wing and actually radical, not just wanting to go back to 80s or whenever Trump though was the golden years of America.

4 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

That's total nonsense. Trump had 0 years in politics before being elected. He said recently this was a mistake and he's going to correct it (time will tell). All he knew when he got elected was the "best people" suggested them and he went with his advisors. He didn't know any better basically.

That's just making excuses for ineptitude, but you are basically saying Trump is a fool. That part many can agree with. 

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He is a blazing idiot apparently and he just can't figure things out. 

Amen. In addition, Vance is a huge Achilles heel. With the mortality issue on the table for Trump, most Americans can't imagine taking the risk of having Vance ending up as president. He's not only weird, but dangerously inept. 

Trump Fumes Over 'Irrelevant' Dick Cheney In Post-Harris Endorsement Meltdown😆

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only war mongers like Cheney, IMO.

pest and cholera that's what we talking about! 

 

Do you really think Trump can avoid conflicts just taking an phone call? Meet up with despotes and dictatorship for making business deals with them? 

 

Wars is the true nature of human to secure resources and make trade deals. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump isn't a conservative. He's always been a New York liberal. The fact he came to champion middle America just reflects how the politics have shifted left and left him behind. Being a normal patriotic American in 1980 basically makes you far right in 2024 America.

Whenever I see the word patriot or its derivatives used in a post, it reminds me of Dr. Samuel Johnson's apothegm:

 

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

24 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

Amen. In addition, Vance is a huge Achilles heel. With the mortality issue on the table for Trump, most Americans can't imagine taking the risk of having Vance ending up as president. He's not only weird, but dangerously inept. 

Anyone but Trump. However his pic of JD Vance as VP was a wet dream for most Democrats, he's now running at a negative 6% in polling, and I think it's only going to get worse. The man is an empty suit, he has zero charisma, and very little to say. Picking him was a monumental mistake by Trump, and listening to anything that his offspring has to say is always going to backfire. They are all subpar intellects, just like he is. 

 

From the NY Post, a Murdoch owner paper, and a conservative one. It would appear they are losing faith in Don and Vance. 

A warning to Donald Trump and JD Vance: Tread carefully when it comes to women, including Vice President Kamala Harris. All signs point to a tight race in November, and the GOP ticket is already behind with women: In five battleground states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Harris leads by 9 points or more with the ladies.

Closing that gap may be an uphill battle. Even if Trump were ahead, it would be foolish to ignore the power of women voters: About 7.4 million more women than men were registered to vote in 2022, according to the Center for American Women in Politics, and more women than men have voted in every presidential election since 1964. 

 

Besides, the chance to vote for a woman who feels like a relative newcomer will almost certainly attract female voters who sat out other elections (or even some of those who pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 because they couldn’t stomach the alternative). Sure, there are plenty of women who want what Trump and Vance are selling: school choice, parental rights, a better economy, safer neighborhoods and a more secure border.

 

But this is a different political landscape than 2016, and both Trump and Vance need to keep on the straight and narrow to avoid alienating female voters who might otherwise agree with them on policy.

 

Maybe Trump should start by quitting hurling derogatory nicknames and ad hominem insults at his foes. He can ding Kamala on policy without making crass comments or veering into petty pot shots about her looks or gender that might make women balk.

 

He and his running mate must certainly avoid missteps like the one Vance made in 2021, when he blasted “childless cat ladies” who run the country but are “miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made.” He also foolishly suggested penalizing women without kids with higher taxes. For real?

 

Vance’s comments resurfaced recently and spread like wildfire on social media, drawing backlash from even conservative women. Trump and Vance need to reassure women that they take them seriously as a voting bloc, and they have no interest in pushing national policy that controls women’s decisions on family matters. The GOP ticket knows women will play a major role in deciding this election — perhaps they should start acting like it.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

Trump Fumes Over 'Irrelevant' Dick Cheney In Post-Harris Endorsement Meltdown😆

 

Triggered!!!  

44 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

TBH, Dick Cheney is really mainly doing it to show support for his daughter's decision to support Harris. And his daughter being a respected conservative politician with integrity does matter. 

You’re kidding yourself right? Liz Cheney was thrown out of office because she has no respect and isn’t credible because she’s a shill of a neocon-liberal operative. 

7 minutes ago, novacova said:

You’re kidding yourself right? Liz Cheney was thrown out of office because she has no respect and isn’t credible because she’s a shill of a neocon-liberal operative. 

Lol. 

19 minutes ago, novacova said:

You’re kidding yourself right? Liz Cheney was thrown out of office because she has no respect and isn’t credible because she’s a shill of a neocon-liberal operative. 

 

Or in reality, it's because she opposed insurrectionist and felon Donald Trump as the nominal leader of her own party, and the Republicans in her district penalized her for her integrity and patriotism.

 

36 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Anyone but Trump. However his pic of JD Vance as VP was a wet dream for most Democrats, he's now running at a negative 6% in polling, and I think it's only going to get worse. The man is an empty suit, he has zero charisma, and very little to say. Picking him was a monumental mistake by Trump, and listening to anything that his offspring has to say is always going to backfire. They are all subpar intellects, just like he is. 

 

From the NY Post, a Murdoch owner paper, and a conservative one. It would appear they are losing faith in Don and Vance. 

A warning to Donald Trump and JD Vance: Tread carefully when it comes to women, including Vice President Kamala Harris. All signs point to a tight race in November, and the GOP ticket is already behind with women: In five battleground states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Harris leads by 9 points or more with the ladies.

Closing that gap may be an uphill battle. Even if Trump were ahead, it would be foolish to ignore the power of women voters: About 7.4 million more women than men were registered to vote in 2022, according to the Center for American Women in Politics, and more women than men have voted in every presidential election since 1964. 

 

Besides, the chance to vote for a woman who feels like a relative newcomer will almost certainly attract female voters who sat out other elections (or even some of those who pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 because they couldn’t stomach the alternative). Sure, there are plenty of women who want what Trump and Vance are selling: school choice, parental rights, a better economy, safer neighborhoods and a more secure border.

 

But this is a different political landscape than 2016, and both Trump and Vance need to keep on the straight and narrow to avoid alienating female voters who might otherwise agree with them on policy.

 

Maybe Trump should start by quitting hurling derogatory nicknames and ad hominem insults at his foes. He can ding Kamala on policy without making crass comments or veering into petty pot shots about her looks or gender that might make women balk.

 

He and his running mate must certainly avoid missteps like the one Vance made in 2021, when he blasted “childless cat ladies” who run the country but are “miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made.” He also foolishly suggested penalizing women without kids with higher taxes. For real?

 

Vance’s comments resurfaced recently and spread like wildfire on social media, drawing backlash from even conservative women. Trump and Vance need to reassure women that they take them seriously as a voting bloc, and they have no interest in pushing national policy that controls women’s decisions on family matters. The GOP ticket knows women will play a major role in deciding this election — perhaps they should start acting like it.

I actually think Trump and Vance are doing a great job together and they shouldn’t change a single thing in terms of their current approach and strategy.
 

Their bumbling campaign efforts, together with all their continued gaffs, missteps, and their ongoing racist and misogynistic comments, are all helping to hand the election to Harris on a plate.
 

I also think everyone was very relieved that Trump didn’t take on a useful running mate. Though no one ever expected Trump to actually choose someone that would help contribute to his downfall when there were presumably some better options for him. But truth is stranger than fiction and let’s do bless Trump’s bizarre attraction to weirdos. 
 

So we should all be thankful for Donald’s ongoing campaign buffoonery and his disastrous VP pick who can’t even be trusted to be left alone in a room with a full bottle of mascara and a comfortable looking couch.

 

Bush and Cheney should remain under a rock, where all the other slimy, slithering vermin wiggle around. Bush/Cheney left the US in shambles. They directly led to American decline and impoverishment. If not letting loose criminal bankers, they were shooting up half the middle east, enabling chaos and despots to emerge victorious. They took Clinton's MFN vote and turned American manufacturing into a dumpster fire, closing the plants that weren't sold outright to China. Any endorsement by Cheney will find me running the other direction. I absolutely despise Cheney.

20 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Bush and Cheney should remain under a rock, where all the other slimy, slithering vermin wiggle around. Bush/Cheney left the US in shambles. They directly led to American decline and impoverishment. If not letting loose criminal bankers, they were shooting up half the middle east, enabling chaos and despots to emerge victorious. They took Clinton's MFN vote and turned American manufacturing into a dumpster fire, closing the plants that weren't sold outright to China. Any endorsement by Cheney will find me running the other direction. I absolutely despise Cheney.

Fully agree 100% about Bush and Chaney. They were a true abomination and those were some extremely dark years for America.
 

However, Trump also caused some comparable civil and economic damage domestically during his one-term presidency. But thank goodness at least that he wasn’t, and still isn’t, capable of winning a second term. 

Chaney supporting Harris though is really just a sign of the swamp draining itself. 

9 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

Chaney supporting Harris though is really just a sign of the swamp draining itself. 

I'm struggling to understand this. "The swamp" is the DC establishment. Chaney  is the swamp. What am I missing?

The swamp is all the people who profit from war and big pharma so Cheney, Bush etc.

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

That's total nonsense. Trump had 0 years in politics before being elected. He said recently this was a mistake and he's going to correct it (time will tell). All he knew when he got elected was the "best people" suggested them and he went with his advisors. He didn't know any better basically.

Perhaps you have not noticed the "best people" Trump hired and boasted about all got fired when they could not kiss his butt to his satisfaction.

 

Total nonsense is saying Trump went with his advisors, the stable genius always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.

 

As far as the swamp goes, Trump did not drain it. He got rid of the alligators, and restocked it with crocodiles.

The phrase “draining the swamp” was coined by progressives in the early 20th century (not by Trump who used it rent-free during his first run for the presidency) and in U.S. politics the term generally refers to removing corruption, inefficiency, or entrenched interests in government. Not so ironic though is the fact that Trump's actions during his four years as president fully fits the narrative of "the swamp". If the shoe fits...

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps you have not noticed the "best people" Trump hired and boasted about all got fired when they could not kiss his butt to his satisfaction.

 

Sure there were those but I'm thinking more of people like John Bolton. If he learned his lesson and gets elected first thing he needs to do is fire everyone and replace them with loyalists. I don't think he's radical enough to do that but that's what he's hinting. Maybe almost getting his head blown off changed his mind but time will tell.

17 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Sure there were those but I'm thinking more of people like John Bolton. If he learned his lesson and gets elected first thing he needs to do is fire everyone and replace them with loyalists. I don't think he's radical enough to do that but that's what he's hinting. Maybe almost getting his head blown off changed his mind but time will tell.

 

 

Re Bolton:

 

 

https://archive.ph/tYsO2