Famous Singer Tik Shiro Involved in Fatal Bangkok Car Accident, Two Dead

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I said from the start he had probably had a few after leaving a licensed premises at 4am with friends

 

But you bizarradly were trying to blame it on his glasses.

 

Don't forget the window tint !!!

 

I'm actually attributing the reasons that he didn't see the stopped motorcycle to handful of factors

 

1) Under the influence of alcohol (new info)

2) Wearing dark Glasses while driving (probably)

3) Dark tint on the windows (probably)

4) Drifted out of the driving lane (possibly - onto the shoulder - due to drink or visibility or both)

5) No / very poor lighting on the bridge (as per photos)

6) Motorcycle lights not working or turned off (possibly - not uncommon here for rear lights not to work)

7) Motorcycle not stopped fully out of the driving lane (possibly - careless parking is not uncommon)

 

All of the above are possible factors and causes for the incident - but I'd put the primary factors down to drink (new info) and him not being able to see clearly.

 

 

[Jeff Reinstad]

On 10/13/2024 at 6:21 PM, connda said:

Well, give him credit for not running like most Thais.

 

A guy slaughters two teenagers while drunk, and you're giving him credit for not running?

 

What morning hours are you planning your drunken run from the bar to home, so I can stay off the roads?

[MalcolmB]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Don't forget the window tint !!!

 

I'm actually attributing the reasons that he didn't see the stopped motorcycle to handful of factors

 

1) Under the influence of alcohol (new info)

2) Wearing dark Glasses while driving (probably)

3) Dark tint on the windows (probably)

4) Drifted out of the driving lane (possibly - onto the shoulder - due to drink or visibility or both)

5) No / very poor lighting on the bridge (as per photos)

6) Motorcycle lights not working or turned off (possibly - not uncommon here for rear lights not to work)

7) Motorcycle not stopped fully out of the driving lane (possibly - careless parking is not uncommon)

 

All of the above are possible factors and causes for the incident - but I'd put the primary factors down to drink (new info) and him not being able to see clearly.

 

 

Nah.

i put it down to 7 and the biggest killer on the road, speed.

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

9 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Nah.

i put it down to 7 and the biggest killer on the road, speed.

 

Not the booze the…

 

Results have been released… 

His blood alcohol concentration (BAC) was reported to be 0.106%.
 

Thailand’s legal limit for drivers is set at 0.05%.
 

So only 4x the DUI limit - you’ll be ok to drive like that won’t you MalcomB ???….

…. any incident is surely someone else’s fault for getting in the way…. 
After all… you are going fine (until someone stops in front of you !)

Note: it was also reported (in Thai media) that the Motorcycle was sticking out into the ‘driving lane’ by 20cm. 

 

[Georgealbert]

The story on the alcohol results and charges is here:

 

 

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

His blood alcohol concentration (BAC) was reported to be 0.106%.
 

Thailand’s legal limit for drivers is set at 0.05%.
 

So only 4x the DUI limit - you’ll be ok to drive like that won’t you MalcomB ???….

Sounds like you can not handle your booze if you think that is 4x the DUI limit.

 

He was speeding. I never speed after having a couple of beers.

 

So I would be fine to drive at 0.106%, but if I was four times over I wouldn’t, especially if I was wearing sunglasses and had tinted windows. 

Many places in the world the limit is 0.08%. So it is just slightly over. 

 

You won’t believe this but I actually got let off and allowed to drive home at .01% previously. The policeman could see I was fine to drive.

[richard_smith237]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Sounds like you can not handle your booze if you think that is 4x the DUI limit.

 

He was speeding. I never speed after having a couple of beers.

 

So I would be fine to drive at 0.106%, but if I was four times over I wouldn’t, especially if I was wearing sunglasses and had tinted windows. 

Many places in the world the limit is 0.08%. So it is just slightly over. 

 

You won’t believe this but I actually got let off and allowed to drive home at .01% previously. The policeman could see I was fine to drive.

 
You’re the only person in the world not impacted by booze….  Well there is also the flash…. His metabolism is so fast that he can’t get drunk - he lives within the same world of ‘make believe’ as you do !!!  Through all know the flash is just film & stories… whereas you believe your own BS drunk driver….

 

(4x was a typo - it’s 2x, however that’s still driving while impaired & illegal - not for you of-course, you don’t get impaired by such low limits & the policemen let you go !! ) 

[MalcolmB]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 
You’re the only person in the world not impacted by booze….  Well there is also the flash…. His metabolism is so fast that he can’t get drunk - he lives within the same world of ‘make believe’ as you do !!!  Through all know the flash is just film & stories… whereas you believe your own BS drunk driver….

 

(4x was a typo - it’s 2x, however that’s still driving while impaired & illegal - not for you of-course, you don’t get impaired by such low limits & the policemen let you go !! ) 

I think you are missing the point as usual Dick.

The bar is set very low for the % because some people are affected by alcohol more than others. I seem to remember you saying that after a couple it affects you.

 

secondly, some people go stupid on the booze and drive faster than they normally would or more reckless. Which is why I am advocating if you do have a couple, make sure to drive at a very safe speed and follow all road laws.

This will not only stop you getting pulled over most of the time but it will save lives.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

I think you are missing the point as usual Dick.

The bar is set very low for the % because some people are affected by alcohol more than others. I seem to remember you saying that after a couple it affects you.

 

I think YOU are missing the point...     DUI is illegal, even for fools who think using the world 'dick' to play on the name 'richard' is a clever thing to do... 

 

Do you think the bar should be set differently for you ??...  because you metabolise alcohol differently than anyone else ?...      

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

secondly, some people go stupid on the booze and drive faster than they normally would or more reckless. Which is why I am advocating if you do have a couple, make sure to drive at a very safe speed and follow all road laws.

 

I do get your point, if having one or two beers and remaining under the legal limit to drive, of course behaviour is more readily moderated. 

However, you champion the example of someone unable to moderate their behavior given the idiocy of some of your comments on this forum - a sensible limit for someone such as yourself who is so capable of pulling the wool over their own eyes really should be zero !!!.. 

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

This will not only stop you getting pulled over most of the time but it will save lives.

 

You know what saves lives ???  Idiots who don't believe they are beyond the law and attempt to apply their own interpretation of DUI rules and how alcohol impacts them. 

 

Additionally, while I have no proof other than the reckless disregard you have shown in previous comments... I don't believe you stop at two cans of beers etc...  you just drink whatever you want and think you can drive carefully because you decided to 'go slowly'....  Those halfwitted attitudes are what causes accidents.... 

 

I'm sure Tik Shiro thought... He's ok... He's only had a few beers, if he drives carefully it'll be ok - just like all the other drink drivers who end killing people - you all suffer from the same antisocial delusion. 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm sure Tik Shiro thought... He's ok... He's only had a few beers, if he drives carefully it'll be ok -

That was his mistake, he wasn’t, he was speeding. A classic example of someone that should not have been drinking.

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

world 'dick' to play on the name 'richard' is a clever thing to do..

Yes, a clever Dick.

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don't believe you stop at two cans of beers etc...  you just drink whatever you want and think you can drive carefully because you decided to 'go slowly'...

You are correct.

But there have been times I knew I had had too much and then I got a taxi, slept it off or got a ride.

That happened three weeks ago, I knew I was gone, I handed my keys over the bar, only a short trip but I still didn’t risk it.

Some people shouldn’t drink at .05 and will drive like idiots some people are ok at .15%,  will drive safely. 
I know you don’t agree, but it is the reality.

 

We don’t really know if Tik would have hit them if he had not of had a drink at all, he was speeding and they had stopped on a narrow bridge.

[balo]

He don't have to run, he's famous and can afford it. Already apologized and ready to move on with his life. 

They just need to figure out how much 2 lives are worth............





 

Edited October 17 by balo

[richard_smith237]

11 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

We don’t really know if Tik would have hit them if he had not of had a drink at all, he was speeding and they had stopped on a narrow bridge.

How fast was he going? 
& where has it been mentioned that he was speeding.

 

He was over the limit & wearing dark glasses - they why he failed to react. 

[bendejo]

On 10/10/2024 at 5:06 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Just in case there is someone else out there who never heard about this famous person.

I can confirm I also never saw him before.

 

 

He's a Jackie Chan impersonator?

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

How fast was he going? 
& where has it been mentioned that he was speeding.

Oh gawd.

 

Maybe you should start reading the facts before making up your own conspiracy theory ranting.

You really make yourself look very stupid the way you carry on with all your nonsense.

 

On 10/11/2024 at 4:45 AM, Georgealbert said:

Overcome with grief, the victims’ mother questioned Tik Shiro, asking why he had been driving so fast, leading to the tragic death of her daughter and the critical injuries of her son. Tik Shiro, visibly shaken, knelt down to apologize at the spot where Ms. Thianporn had been found, expressing his sorrow for the tragedy.

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

How fast was he going? 
& where has it been mentioned that he was speeding.

Oh gawd.

 

Maybe you should start reading the facts before making up your own conspiracy theory ranting.

You really make yourself look very stupid the way you carry on with all your nonsense.

 

On 10/11/2024 at 4:45 AM, Georgealbert said:

Overcome with grief, the victims’ mother questioned Tik Shiro, asking why he had been driving so fast, leading to the tragic death of her daughter and the critical injuries of her son. Tik Shiro, visibly shaken, knelt down to apologize at the spot where Ms. Thianporn had been found, expressing his sorrow for the tragedy.

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‘Overcome with grief, the victims mother……’

… asked a question - and you call substance of that question a fact ???

 

AW gawd indeed….     Such is the utter stupidity of you level It’s embarrassing being associated with you in this discussion.

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

On 10/11/2024 at 4:45 AM, Georgealbert said:

Ms. Jinnipa, 24, the younger sister of the victims, who was also riding on the motorcycle, explained that the three siblings were on the bike when a water bottle she had dropped caused them to stop. Her brother, Jakrapat, pulled the motorcycle over to the side of the bridge while she went to retrieve the bottle. It was at this moment that the van came speeding towards them

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

‘Overcome with grief, the victims mother……’

… asked a question - and you call substance of that question a fact ???

 

AW gawd indeed….     Such is the utter stupidity of you level It’s embarrassing being associated with you in this discussion.

 

 

 

Predictable nonsense.

So the people at the scene are all wrong, and Mr Know It All from the Internet who wasn’t there is right.

A complete Dick.

 

 

If you had of watched the Thai news you would know that Tic admitted going to speeding and apologized, Jinnapa was there and saw it.

But Dick, who was asleep at the time, miles from the scene, refutes this and is blaming Tic’s glasses that he was not wearing while driving.
Are you going to make a police report?

 

You just can’t make this stuff up.

But you did.

 

[Captain Flack]

This topic is just being deflected into bickering, so please discuss the topic without personal attacks or name calling, or accept a break.

[richard_smith237]

35 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Predictable nonsense.

So the people at the scene are all wrong, and Mr Know It All from the Internet who wasn’t there is right.

A complete Dick.

 

 

If you had of watched the Thai news you would know that Tic admitted going to speeding and apologized, Jinnapa was there and saw it.

 

 

 

cene, refutes this and is blaming Tic’s glasses that he was not wearing while driving.
Are you going to make a police report?

 

You just can’t make this stuff up.

But you did.

 

 

ok.. childish name calling aside... 

 

Where was it reported that Tik was speeding ? where is there any witness statement that he was speeding ?

 

 

Who are these people at the scene you are talking off ???...

.... his was on a bridge... do you think there were 'other people' standing around on the bridge and witnessed this incident ???

 

... On the scene at the time of the event were 5 people (if I'm not mistaken)

- 3 with the motorcycle (1 dead, 1 in hospital serious injured and another)

- 2 in the car (Tik and a female who appears to be with him)

 

 

Tik admitted to breaking the speed limit in the Thai media ?  really - share that link, I have not seen any Thai media where he admits to breaking the speed limit on that road.

 

Jinnapa was there... did she see the van approaching ?

Did she make any statement as to the speed of the approaching van ?

(if she did make a statement how the van's speed) How can she possibly guess the 'speed' and know the van was speeding ? 

 

 

 

You are doubling down on every possible way to argue that it was everything else other than the obvious - booze and poor visibility that cased this accident.

Edited October 18 by richard_smith237

[MalcolmB]

On 10/11/2024 at 4:45 AM, Georgealbert said:

It was at this moment that the van came speeding towards them

 

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Where was it reported that Tik was speeding ?

 

 

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

How can she possibly guess the 'speed' and know the van was speeding ? 

She saw it.

You didn’t but you know? 
Tic admitted it, but you know he wasn’t.

 

 

 

 

If you want to believe your nonsensical wearing dark glasses when driving conspiracy theory, when he wasn’t, then that’s ok, you can believe it.

 

[MalcolmB]

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Jinnapa was there... did she see the van approaching ?

Did she make any statement as to the speed of the approaching van ?

Yes.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes.

 

 

 

How fast was he going ??

 

The female presenters simply stated 'fast' - that's not evidence or even indication that he was speeding...    its just her opinion that from the CCTV is looks like he's going 'fast'...  

 

The CCTV footage does now show Tic speeding - it just shows the van's travelling.

It also shows the car travelling in the opposite direction taking a similar amount of time to cross the screen - thus travelling at a similar speed.

 

Speed limit on that road is likely to be 80kmh...   

Does the footage show he was exceeding that ? 

IMO - its impossible to tell from that footage... 

 

Again - where is the proof that he was speeding ?? - there is none.

 

 

BUT - there is proof that he was DUI... and he was wearing dark glasses in every photo. 

Speeding may 'also be involved'....  

 

In fact - as he was likely to be wearing dark glasses, and was 2x the legal driving limit his reactions would have been slower to a) initially see the motorcycle, and b) to react to it - so if travelling faster than he 'could see' - i.e. outdriving his vision and reaction, then yes, speed is a factor - but there is no evidence of 'speeding'.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

28 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

If you want to believe your nonsensical wearing dark glasses when driving conspiracy theory, when he wasn’t, then that’s ok, you can believe it.

 

If you can show me any video or photo of him driving the van without dark glasses I'll stand corrected. 

If you can show me any video or photo of him without dark glasses at any point that evening - then I'll buy into the possibility that he may not have been driving with dark glasses.

 

 

What we know so far:

- Tik (driver) DUI - 2x legal limit (blood test taken back at station, so his reading would have been higher at the time).

- Dark glasses (in every photo) 

- Motorcycle sticking out 20cm into the driving lane

 

 

Why do I keep bringing up his 'dark glasses' when no one else is ? (question asked earlier) - because, as part of this discussion and debate - I believe this to be a major factor along with DUI for the cause of the incident... I suspect poor visibility at night to be a major factor in many accidents at night in Thailand (of course, along with the obvious one - booze & DUI).

Edited October 18 by richard_smith237

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The female presenters simply stated 'fast' - that's not evidence or even indication that he was speeding...    its just her opinion that from the CCTV is looks like he's going 'fast'...  

ok Richard.

Despite Tic admitting he was speeding, an eyewitness saying he was speeding, video evidence of him speeding, the victim being thrown off the bridge due the the speed,and the inquiry the next day also confirming that he was speeding which was reported, let’s blame the glasses that he was not wearing that nobody else has mentioned apart from Richard.

 

Everybody else is wrong and Richard is right as usual.

Typical.

 

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

ok Richard.

Despite Tic admitting he was speeding,

 

Where has he admited he was speeding ?

He was asked by the victims mother why he was going so fast - Tik apologised, thats not an admission of breaking the speed limit.

 

 

19 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

an eyewitness saying he was speeding,

 

Which eye witness ? If you are referringto Jinnapa (one of the three on the bike) then its impossible that her 'estimation' is remotely accurate (added to which eye witness testimony is notoriously flawed).

 

19 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

video evidence of him speeding,

 

That is not evidence of speeding (exceeding the speed limit) - the CCTV footage is simply evidence of the van travelling - speed has not been determined from the CCTV footage.

 

 

 

(the rest on the next post as were not permitted to split a 'quote up more than 3x for some reason)

[richard_smith237]

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

the victim being thrown off the bridge due the the speed,

 

That can happen at any speed... 30km or 60kmh...    that someone was knocked off a bridge is not evidence of speeding... i

 

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

and the inquiry the next day also confirming that he was speeding which was reported,

 

OK - so what speed was he doing ? what speed did this enquiry calculate the van was travelling at ?

 

 

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Let’s blame the glasses that he was not wearing that nobody else has mentioned apart from Richard.

 

Are you trying to make the point that the fewer or greater number of times 'someone' mentions something the lesser or more the likelihood of that being true ?... 

 

Do you really think that only one person mentioning that he was wearing glasses impact whether or not he was wearing them while driving ?

 

 

[richard_smith237]

28 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Everybody else is wrong and Richard is right as usual.

Typical.

 

Thats not my aim here - as with all these discussions, my interest is 'how' this incident happend...

(You're a drink driver and you're calling me a d!ck ok - we can get over the personal stuff and continue the discussion).... 

 

... what is the root cause ?...       thats what I'm trying to discuss....

 

So far I see root cause as:

- Tik (driver) DUI - 2x legal limit

- Poor visibility (Tik was wearing dark glasses in every photo / window tint ? poor lighting)

- Motorcycle sticking out 20cm into the driving lane 

 

So far you have highlighted, speed... 

- Do you see speed as a route cause ?...   

- Do you see that only speed was the root cause, or in your opinion do you see other factors too ?

- Again, how fast was he going ?

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

what is the root cause ?..

Must have been the window tint according to the experts, witnesses, police, CCTV and Tic himself.

The same window tint that had been on the vehicle for the last 5 years that had never been a problem.

It suddenly darkened, blinding Tic and brought this tragic accident on. 
As a result of the blinding he now wears dark glasses as is common with blind people.

 

So who to believe, the eye witnesses, the cctv, the police inquiry, the reports and Tic?

Or some weird guy from the internet known for, well, you know.

[richard_smith237]

20 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Must have been the window tint according to the experts, witnesses, police, CCTV and Tic himself.

The same window tint that had been on the vehicle for the last 5 years that had never been a problem.

It suddenly darkened, blinding Tic and brought this tragic accident on. 
As a result of the blinding he now wears dark glasses as is common with blind people.

 

So who to believe, the eye witnesses, the cctv, the police inquiry, the reports and Tic?

Or some weird guy from the internet known for, well, you know.

What was the age of the vehicle now ?

 

You keep making stuff up.

 

 

Find a photo of him [Tik] without glasses that night.

 

If he ‘could’ see the Motorbike he would not have driven into it.

 

How fast was he going ? -  you still can’t answer that.