5% of CNG Buses Fail Safety Checks After Fatal Fire in Thailand

[MikeandDow]

40 minutes ago, James9999 said:

What does cause I do not know mean. !!!??? One ! is enough. I will summarise, they failed the safety test. They are not safe.

 Yes 5%failed the safety inspection out of 1,331 already tested  that is what the News article  is saying  yes they need to be repaired and re inspected to be made safe  so what is your point ?? When you do mass Inspection like this approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, you statistically will get failures there will be repairs to be done that is expected  if you were expecting a 100% pass first time you would be dreaming never happen you will find faults,and this is the whole point of the excise  find the faults and fix them  keep inspecting till you get a 100% pass  nothing new in this

 

 

Edited October 18 by MikeandDow

[MikeandDow]

40 minutes ago, James9999 said:

Now who is rambling?

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

[James9999]

40 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

 

41 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

I have never actually been a QA engineer but had to work on enough projects that demand real quality not the the Thai pretend quality. Can I ask why you are so keen to defend these thoroughly dangerous Thai buses. And if the buses are like this what about the trucks like. Drivers barely able to stay wake because of the long hours. Shoddy maintenance. Bribes to keep dangerous buses and trucks on the road. Thailand is such a wonderful haven for safety.

[James9999]

May be we should look at ISO37001.

"In a world where ethics and transparency in business are essential for sustainability and growth, organizations are seeking effective ways to combat bribery and corruption. A fundamental tool in this fight is ISO 37001, designed to establish robust and effective anti-bribery management systems. In this article, we will explore in detail what ISO 37001 is, its structure and components, as well as the key benefits of its implementation.

What is ISO 37001?

ISO 37001 is an international standard developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) with the aim of providing a solid framework to help organizations prevent, detect, and address bribery and corruption in all its forms. This standard provides clear and practical guidelines for establishing an anti-bribery management system that can be implemented by any type of organization, regardless of its size, industry, or geographical location."

Seriously. Is that what Thailand stands for?

[James9999]

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

 Yes 5%failed the safety inspection out of 1,331 already tested  that is what the News article  is saying  yes they need to be repaired and re inspected to be made safe  so what is your point ?? When you do mass Inspection like this approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, you statistically will get failures there will be repairs to be done that is expected  if you were expecting a 100% pass first time you would be dreaming never happen you will find faults,and this is the whole point of the excise  find the faults and fix them  keep inspecting till you get a 100% pass  nothing new in this

 

 

So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. And they still have the rest of the national bus fleet to test. Who knows if the 5% is a typical average for unsafe buses. It is very disconcerting that somebody who pretends to uphold standard should be so defensive of the Thai safety record. "if you were expecting a 100% " statistically probably not but for 1 on 20 buses to be unsafe and yet the bus operators own management is happy with that is worrying.

[MikeandDow]

28 minutes ago, James9999 said:

May be we should look at ISO37001.

"In a world where ethics and transparency in business are essential for sustainability and growth, organizations are seeking effective ways to combat bribery and corruption. A fundamental tool in this fight is ISO 37001, designed to establish robust and effective anti-bribery management systems. In this article, we will explore in detail what ISO 37001 is, its structure and components, as well as the key benefits of its implementation.

What is ISO 37001?

ISO 37001 is an international standard developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) with the aim of providing a solid framework to help organizations prevent, detect, and address bribery and corruption in all its forms. This standard provides clear and practical guidelines for establishing an anti-bribery management system that can be implemented by any type of organization, regardless of its size, industry, or geographical location."

Seriously. Is that what Thailand stands for?

Would not work  37001 is basically risk management

The standard only addresses management systems and is not a comprehensive anti-fraud or anti-corruption standard. It also contains a great deal of subjectivity as many requirements are qualified by terms such as "appropriate" and "reasonable". Therefore, the actual meaning and relevance of ISO 37001 certification is dependent largely upon the thoroughness of the certifying body

[MikeandDow]

32 minutes ago, James9999 said:

So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. And they still have the rest of the national bus fleet to test. Who knows if the 5% is a typical average for unsafe buses. It is very disconcerting that somebody who pretends to uphold standard should be so defensive of the Thai safety record. "if you were expecting a 100% " statistically probably not but for 1 on 20 buses to be unsafe and yet the bus operators own management is happy with that is worrying.

Quote; So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. Agree.

Your assumption is wrong i am not trying to defend Thailand safety record. Thailand has a plethora of Safety Standards and Safety protocols  that is not the problem,  the problem is the implementation ,education and enforcement. this all should start with the Workplace.  All workplaces have a certified safety system in place in fact there is a law believe it or not and they should have a safety officer appointed this is the law but is it enforced No!!! so there is number 1 No enforcement number 2 education Safety should be taught at schools  number 3 implementation  Risk management, Safety is everyone's  responsibility  and there is a simple tool for this its called a risk assessment, Assessing risk is just one part of the overall process used to control risks in your workplace and everyday life,

it is a step-by-step process for controlling health and safety risks caused by hazards in the workplace and everyday life.

It helps identify hazards and how to eliminate them or control the hazard it can save lives.

Thailand has the standards, protocols  but until the attitude changes nothing will happen

What is needed is  big lawsuits and litigation have you not notice company's here very keen to agree payouts to the victims fast    

[still kicking]

14 hours ago, rocketboy2 said:

5 %

Pants on fire. 

That was a typo it should read 95%

[kwilco]

7 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know what you are posting  because its rubbish

No - it's over your head....as usual.

[James9999]

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Quote; So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. Agree.

Your assumption is wrong i am not trying to defend Thailand safety record. Thailand has a plethora of Safety Standards and Safety protocols  that is not the problem,  the problem is the implementation ,education and enforcement. this all should start with the Workplace.  All workplaces have a certified safety system in place in fact there is a law believe it or not and they should have a safety officer appointed this is the law but is it enforced No!!! so there is number 1 No enforcement number 2 education Safety should be taught at schools  number 3 implementation  Risk management, Safety is everyone's  responsibility  and there is a simple tool for this its called a risk assessment, Assessing risk is just one part of the overall process used to control risks in your workplace and everyday life,

it is a step-by-step process for controlling health and safety risks caused by hazards in the workplace and everyday life.

It helps identify hazards and how to eliminate them or control the hazard it can save lives.

Thailand has the standards, protocols  but until the attitude changes nothing will happen

What is needed is  big lawsuits and litigation have you not notice company's here very keen to agree payouts to the victims fast    

I thought that you were praising Thailand's ISO accreditation. Having an ISO certificate counts for nothing if the attitude towards safety counts for zilch.

[digger70]

21 hours ago, retarius said:

So they've inspected every bus in Thailand in 2 weeks? I don't believe it.

The inspections, which have currently covered only 10% of Thailand's approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, revealed 68 out of 1,331 buses had serious defects. Common issues included expired gas cylinders and non-compliant equipment, prompting temporary road bans for the faulty vehicles.

[twizzian]

17 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

No typo it reads 5% of buses failed inspection so far 

 

The inspections, which have currently covered only 10% of Thailand's approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, revealed 68 out of 1,331 buses had serious defects.

 

so 68/1331x 100 = 5.109%  failed  so where is the typo

I guess if you want to believe that you can.

I on the other hand is more skeptical 

[Aussie999]

14 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Do you know what ISO is ??           Hospitals, Most oil and gas company's big engineering Company's  most  are iso certified if you have been here only 9 years you are a newbie  and i don't think you know what you are talking about when it comes to Quality and Standard been a Quality and safety Manager for the last 30years   and i could not careless about proving you wrong   you are doing it yourself by these misinformed  posts

Most welding company's use ASME welding Code which is an international code 

singha the beer company has just been awarded ISO 9001 on three of its major projects

 

Do you know about most of Thailand... I do know what ISO is... can you show that most of Thailand follows it. ISO 9001 simply means you follow your stated procedures... you have a lot to learn

[Humpy]

''So far, 5% of these inspected buses have been identified as defective '' ....... perhaps the owners were not making the brown envelopes fat enough ... just a thought !. 

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, Aussie999 said:

Do you know about most of Thailand... I do know what ISO is... can you show that most of Thailand follows it. ISO 9001 simply means you follow your stated procedures... you have a lot to learn

Its easy to google ISO  but to understand it is another thing and clearly you have not grasp it

the definition of ISO is ISO 9001 is defined as the international standard that specifies requirements for a quality management system (QMS) Not YOUR stated procedures  There are a plethora of company's and business in Thailand  who have ISO certs and proud of it, it is not easy to be ISO certified, Most of us follow procedures  as part of every day living, Driving a car, cooking, cleaning,ect all Procedures

anyhow this is going of Topic

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Its easy to google ISO  but to understand it is another thing and clearly you have not grasp it

the definition of ISO is ISO 9001 is defined as the international standard that specifies requirements for a quality management system (QMS) Not YOUR stated procedures  There are a plethora of company's and business in Thailand  who have ISO certs and proud of it, it is not easy to be ISO certified, Most of us follow procedures  as part of every day living, Driving a car, cooking, cleaning,ect all Procedures

anyhow this is going of Topic

Oh dear, mate, you need to know what is meant by a "Quality Management System" I actually went through the IOS 9001 system over 30 years ago...I know what it invovles. Go back to Google and learn, before replying. In fact, it is a pain to implement,  and many companies have moved away from it. It does not guarantee a quality product, it only, supposedly,  guarantees a process, hence "Management."

[black tabby12345]

Not Russian, but Transport Roulette in Thailand.

Thailand was operating Road Casino well before their parliamentary approval.

 

 

[Captain Flack]

Some reported off topic posts removed.

[Photoguy21]

On 10/18/2024 at 6:09 AM, retarius said:

So they've inspected every bus in Thailand in 2 weeks? I don't believe it.

They did. They counted them and all buses were accounted for.

[MikeandDow]

13 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

They did. They counted them and all buses were accounted for.

Why don't you read the news article

currently covered only 10% of Thailand's approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses

[Photoguy21]

Just now, MikeandDow said:

Why don't you read the news article

currently covered only 10% of Thailand's approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses

Yes I did. What standards where they checked by? Local or international requirements?

[MikeandDow]

11 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Yes I did. What standards where they checked by? Local or international requirements?

they would be the same, but the New article does not say

 

Edited October 19 by MikeandDow

[James9999]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Why don't you read the news article

currently covered only 10% of Thailand's approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses

I think he was being facetious.

[James9999]

23 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

 in fact there is a law believe it or not and they should have a safety officer appointed this is the law .....Safety should be taught at schools ..... Safety is everyone's  responsibility  and there is a simple tool for this its called a risk assessment, Assessing risk is just one part of the overall process used to control risks in your workplace ...

It is the law, then enact the law. Safety should be taught in schools, well yes how to cross the road safely, don't play with matches. All the low level safety that kids need to know. Don't install CNG cylinders in the passenger compartment of a bus or exceed the legal number of CNG cylinders. Not sure about that one. I fell asleep when you went on about risk assessments. This is Thailand not a regulated Western country. You presumably know about Grenfell Tower? Yes even in the UK we need to a few people in prison for ignoring process and procedures. At the end of the day it is the only way to stop making extra profit at the expense of safety.

[MikeandDow]

28 minutes ago, James9999 said:

It is the law, then enact the law. Safety should be taught in schools, well yes how to cross the road safely, don't play with matches. All the low level safety that kids need to know. Don't install CNG cylinders in the passenger compartment of a bus or exceed the legal number of CNG cylinders. Not sure about that one. I fell asleep when you went on about risk assessments. This is Thailand not a regulated Western country. You presumably know about Grenfell Tower? Yes even in the UK we need to a few people in prison for ignoring process and procedures. At the end of the day it is the only way to stop making extra profit at the expense of safety.

Yes I tend to agree, yes i have heard of Grenfell Tower and the people are being prosecuted i believe, and that's the point  IF Thailand can change its culture and attitude towards safety it will be the first step towards a safer Thailand, but here nothing will change safety cost too much, the only thing i think would help is if there are big law suits and litigation but lives are cheap here !! Any how sick of this discussion. Till the next disaster

[James9999]

19 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

people are being prosecuted i believe,

Nobody is being prosecuted. Yet anyway. It has only take seven years for the public inquiry to come to its conclusion. But I suppose the legal profession wanted to keep the gravy train going for as long as possible. The police will take years more to investigate before nominating a few scapegoats to put on trial. I suppose eventually may be a couple of minor player in the Grenfell tragedy might do time. An even bigger cover up in the UK is the Post Office Horizon scandal, not in terms of deaths but length of time it has been going on.

[Captain Flack]

Some posts are going off topic, can we please do get deflected into anymore discussion on the Grenfall Tower fire.