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5% of CNG Buses Fail Safety Checks After Fatal Fire in Thailand


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34 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Do you know what ISO is ??           Hospitals, Most oil and gas company's big engineering Company's  most  are iso certified if you have been here only 9 years you are a newbie  and i don't think you know what you are talking about when it comes to Quality and Standard been a Quality and safety Manager for the last 30years   and i could not careless about proving you wrong   you are doing it yourself by these misinformed  posts

Most welding company's use ASME welding Code which is an international code 

singha the beer company has just been awarded ISO 9001 on three of its major projects

 

Now who is rambling?

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40 minutes ago, James9999 said:

What does cause I do not know mean. !!!??? One ! is enough. I will summarise, they failed the safety test. They are not safe.

 Yes 5%failed the safety inspection out of 1,331 already tested  that is what the News article  is saying  yes they need to be repaired and re inspected to be made safe  so what is your point ?? When you do mass Inspection like this approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, you statistically will get failures there will be repairs to be done that is expected  if you were expecting a 100% pass first time you would be dreaming never happen you will find faults,and this is the whole point of the excise  find the faults and fix them  keep inspecting till you get a 100% pass  nothing new in this

 

 

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40 minutes ago, James9999 said:

Now who is rambling?

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

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40 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

 

41 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know anything about quality and standards,  ISO.  What is ISO  it encompasses your everyday lives  you will end up in a ISO place one day  hows that for rambling

I have never actually been a QA engineer but had to work on enough projects that demand real quality not the the Thai pretend quality. Can I ask why you are so keen to defend these thoroughly dangerous Thai buses. And if the buses are like this what about the trucks like. Drivers barely able to stay wake because of the long hours. Shoddy maintenance. Bribes to keep dangerous buses and trucks on the road. Thailand is such a wonderful haven for safety.

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May be we should look at ISO37001.

"In a world where ethics and transparency in business are essential for sustainability and growth, organizations are seeking effective ways to combat bribery and corruption. A fundamental tool in this fight is ISO 37001, designed to establish robust and effective anti-bribery management systems. In this article, we will explore in detail what ISO 37001 is, its structure and components, as well as the key benefits of its implementation.

What is ISO 37001?

ISO 37001 is an international standard developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) with the aim of providing a solid framework to help organizations prevent, detect, and address bribery and corruption in all its forms. This standard provides clear and practical guidelines for establishing an anti-bribery management system that can be implemented by any type of organization, regardless of its size, industry, or geographical location."

Seriously. Is that what Thailand stands for?

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1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

 Yes 5%failed the safety inspection out of 1,331 already tested  that is what the News article  is saying  yes they need to be repaired and re inspected to be made safe  so what is your point ?? When you do mass Inspection like this approximately 13,400 CNG-powered buses, you statistically will get failures there will be repairs to be done that is expected  if you were expecting a 100% pass first time you would be dreaming never happen you will find faults,and this is the whole point of the excise  find the faults and fix them  keep inspecting till you get a 100% pass  nothing new in this

 

 

So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. And they still have the rest of the national bus fleet to test. Who knows if the 5% is a typical average for unsafe buses. It is very disconcerting that somebody who pretends to uphold standard should be so defensive of the Thai safety record. "if you were expecting a 100% " statistically probably not but for 1 on 20 buses to be unsafe and yet the bus operators own management is happy with that is worrying.

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28 minutes ago, James9999 said:

May be we should look at ISO37001.

"In a world where ethics and transparency in business are essential for sustainability and growth, organizations are seeking effective ways to combat bribery and corruption. A fundamental tool in this fight is ISO 37001, designed to establish robust and effective anti-bribery management systems. In this article, we will explore in detail what ISO 37001 is, its structure and components, as well as the key benefits of its implementation.

What is ISO 37001?

ISO 37001 is an international standard developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) with the aim of providing a solid framework to help organizations prevent, detect, and address bribery and corruption in all its forms. This standard provides clear and practical guidelines for establishing an anti-bribery management system that can be implemented by any type of organization, regardless of its size, industry, or geographical location."

Seriously. Is that what Thailand stands for?

Would not work  37001 is basically risk management

The standard only addresses management systems and is not a comprehensive anti-fraud or anti-corruption standard. It also contains a great deal of subjectivity as many requirements are qualified by terms such as "appropriate" and "reasonable". Therefore, the actual meaning and relevance of ISO 37001 certification is dependent largely upon the thoroughness of the certifying body

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32 minutes ago, James9999 said:

So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. And they still have the rest of the national bus fleet to test. Who knows if the 5% is a typical average for unsafe buses. It is very disconcerting that somebody who pretends to uphold standard should be so defensive of the Thai safety record. "if you were expecting a 100% " statistically probably not but for 1 on 20 buses to be unsafe and yet the bus operators own management is happy with that is worrying.

Quote; So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. Agree.

Your assumption is wrong i am not trying to defend Thailand safety record. Thailand has a plethora of Safety Standards and Safety protocols  that is not the problem,  the problem is the implementation ,education and enforcement. this all should start with the Workplace.  All workplaces have a certified safety system in place in fact there is a law believe it or not and they should have a safety officer appointed this is the law but is it enforced No!!! so there is number 1 No enforcement number 2 education Safety should be taught at schools  number 3 implementation  Risk management, Safety is everyone's  responsibility  and there is a simple tool for this its called a risk assessment, Assessing risk is just one part of the overall process used to control risks in your workplace and everyday life,

it is a step-by-step process for controlling health and safety risks caused by hazards in the workplace and everyday life.

It helps identify hazards and how to eliminate them or control the hazard it can save lives.

Thailand has the standards, protocols  but until the attitude changes nothing will happen

What is needed is  big lawsuits and litigation have you not notice company's here very keen to agree payouts to the victims fast    

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1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Quote; So 1331 unsafe buses were allowed to operate. Had it not been for the tragic deaths of 23 children and 3 teaches those 1331 unsafe buses would never have been found and would still be operating. Agree.

Your assumption is wrong i am not trying to defend Thailand safety record. Thailand has a plethora of Safety Standards and Safety protocols  that is not the problem,  the problem is the implementation ,education and enforcement. this all should start with the Workplace.  All workplaces have a certified safety system in place in fact there is a law believe it or not and they should have a safety officer appointed this is the law but is it enforced No!!! so there is number 1 No enforcement number 2 education Safety should be taught at schools  number 3 implementation  Risk management, Safety is everyone's  responsibility  and there is a simple tool for this its called a risk assessment, Assessing risk is just one part of the overall process used to control risks in your workplace and everyday life,

it is a step-by-step process for controlling health and safety risks caused by hazards in the workplace and everyday life.

It helps identify hazards and how to eliminate them or control the hazard it can save lives.

Thailand has the standards, protocols  but until the attitude changes nothing will happen

What is needed is  big lawsuits and litigation have you not notice company's here very keen to agree payouts to the victims fast    

I thought that you were praising Thailand's ISO accreditation. Having an ISO certificate counts for nothing if the attitude towards safety counts for zilch.

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