Retention Crisis in UK Armed Forces as Families Warn of Impact from VAT on Private Schools

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

What an ignorant claim. Just shows how little you know on the subject. There are plenty of Council run boarding and residential schools in the UK, some main stream and some for special educational needs. However their quality of overall 24 hour care can be lacking and the councils have relied more on the private sector to provide some excellent ones. OFSTED and other regulators report on them. I would check facts before coming out with such misinformation and false claims about them being organized child cruelty. 

 

Care homes for kids.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Care homes for kids.

What sort of response is that?

 

Your claim:

 

None, the State doesn’t provide such organized child cruelty.

 

Is wrong. Read my post again and do your self a favour with some research or provide a link to your claims:

 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What an ignorant claim. Just shows how little you know on the subject. There are plenty of Council run boarding and residential schools in the UK, some main stream and some for special educational needs. However their quality of overall 24 hour care can be lacking and the councils have relied more on the private sector to provide some excellent ones. OFSTED and other regulators report on them. I would check facts before coming out with such misinformation and false claims about them being organized child cruelty. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Why does all this mean they have to go to private schools and cannot go to state schools?

How many good state boarding schools are there and do they charge for boarders?

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What sort of response is that?

 

Your claim:

 

None, the State doesn’t provide such organized child cruelty.

 

Is wrong. Read my post again and do your self a favour with some research or provide a link to your claims:

 

 

yep still care homes for kids with special needs.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Why does all this mean they have to go to private schools and cannot go to state schools?

Are you OK with sending billions of quid to Ukraine? If you are, why do you begrudge military families a fraction of that to send their kids to boarding school for a stable life?

 

If the UK stopped throwing money into the Ukraine black hole they would not need to penalise people to get a few million extra in tax.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

yep still care homes for kids with special needs.

 

Don't embarrass yourself further, start off by providing a link to your claim first, or admit you were wrong:

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you OK with sending billions of quid to Ukraine? If you are, why do you begrudge military families a fraction of that to send their kids to boarding school for a stable life?

 

If the UK stopped throwing money into the Ukraine black hole they would not need to penalise people to get a few million extra in tax.

Because letting a tyrant invade other European nations always makes sense.

 

Until it doesn’t, and then the price goes up.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Don't embarrass yourself further, start off by providing a link to your claim first, or admit you were wrong:

 

 

 

I stand corrected, the State is funding some organized child cruelty.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I stand corrected, the State is funding some organized child cruelty.

More false claims. In trolling mode now eh

[jayboy]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you denying private education in the UK is a means to access privilege?

 

Actually I would deny it.It's true that say the top thirty independent schools have pupils of mainly wealthy /upper middle class (though many many exceptions) and that their excellent education and, more importantly, supportive home life gives them a leg up. But for the vast majority of the independent sector there is no particular advantage in gaining access to universities/employment.Furthermore none of the independent schools are "for profit. Eton for example has over 100 boys with fees fully remitted and 20% boys receive financial assistance.However Eton is a special case and it is ludicrous to suggest there are many other schools like it.

 

At Oxford and Cambridge there has been a rapid decline in independently educated students.Critics of the independent schools tend to forget that these days universities and employers want the ablest candidates available and don't care about where they were educated.

 

The assault on independent schools is therefore little more than spiteful class warfare.There is no proof that the very large sums claimed in VAT will in fact be forthcoming, not to mention the need to find government funding for the mass of pupils forced to transfer to the state system.

 

I don't in fact have much sympathy for the independent sector because of the ridiculous escalation of fees in recent years.But what most critics don't appreciate is that even if independent schools were abolished altogether, the wealthy and well educated middle class will ALWAYS find a way to give their children an advantage in life.

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More false claims. In trolling mode now eh

Oh:

https://caldaclinic.com/boarding-school-syndrome-the-childhood-trauma-of-privilege/

 

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/psychological-consequences-boarding-school

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh:

https://caldaclinic.com/boarding-school-syndrome-the-childhood-trauma-of-privilege/

 

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/psychological-consequences-boarding-school

Oh what?

 

You made claims which are false, now drill down to the benefits of residential boarding schools for some children and young people instead of making sweeping inflammatory claims. 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Actually I would deny it.It's true that say the top thirty independent schools have pupils of mainly wealthy /upper middle class (though many many exceptions) and that their excellent education and, more importantly, supportive home life gives them a leg up. But for the vast majority of the independent sector there is no particular advantage in gaining access to universities/employment.Furthermore none of the independent schools are "for profit. Eton for example has over 100 boys with fees fully remitted and 20% boys receive financial assistance.However Eton is a special case and it is ludicrous to suggest there are many other schools like it.

 

At Oxford and Cambridge there has been a rapid decline in independently educated students.Critics of the independent schools tend to forget that these days universities and employers want the ablest candidates available and don't care about where they were educated.

 

The assault on independent schools is therefore little more than spiteful class warfare.There is no proof that the very large sums claimed in VAT will in fact be forthcoming, not to mention the need to find government funding for the mass of pupils forced to transfer to the state system.

 

I don't in fact have much sympathy for the independent sector because of the ridiculous escalation of fees in recent years.But what most critics don't appreciate is that even if independent schools were abolished altogether, the wealthy and well educated middle class will ALWAYS find a way to give their children an advantage in life.

“the wealthy and well educated middle class will ALWAYS find a way to give their children an advantage in life.”

 

Though no longer free of VAT.

 

The route to privilege through private schools is clear:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/private-schools-social-mobility-commission-sutton-trust-education-elitist-a8972731.html

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh what?

 

You made claims which are false, now drill down to the benefits of residential boarding schools for some children and young people instead of making sweeping inflammatory claims. 

Backed by links.

[The Cyclist]

CEA in the Forces has been under scrutiny for a long time.

 

Even more so today, as  overseas postings are getting fewer and fewer.

 

The case for CEA is not helped when Major Generals are jailed for fraudulently claiming it.

 

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A "dishonest" senior British Army officer has been jailed for 21 months for falsely claiming more than £48,000 in allowances to pay for his children’s boarding school fees.

Major General Nick Welch was convicted of a single charge of fraud following a four-week court martial trial at Bulford Military Court.

 

https://www.forcesnews.com/news/senior-army-officer-jailed-falsely-claiming-school-fee-allowances

 

The most senior person caught, there are many others.

 

This is nothing to do with the VAT raid. And more to do with having to hands in their own pockets.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Backed by links.

How many links do you want to prove your claims are false?

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

How many links do you want to prove your claims are false?

 

Links?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Links?

Dozens

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

“Many people with boarding school syndrome will show some or all the following symptoms and traits:

Problems with anger, depression, or anxiety

Failure to sustain relationships and difficulties with emotional intimacy

Fear of abandonment and/or separation anxiety

Lack of trust

Alcoholism, substance abuse, or other addictive behaviours

Eating disorders

Controlling or perfectionist tendencies

Bullying behaviours

Fear of failure

Find it hard to switch off and relax

Feel alone, even in a group of people

A feeling of emptiness

Problems parenting children“

 

https://caldaclinic.com/boarding-school-syndrome-the-childhood-trauma-of-privilege/

 

I’m not sure the best use of public funds.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Many people with boarding school syndrome will show some or all the following symptoms and traits:

Problems with anger, depression, or anxiety

Failure to sustain relationships and difficulties with emotional intimacy

Fear of abandonment and/or separation anxiety

Lack of trust

Alcoholism, substance abuse, or other addictive behaviours

Eating disorders

Controlling or perfectionist tendencies

Bullying behaviours

Fear of failure

Find it hard to switch off and relax

Feel alone, even in a group of people

A feeling of emptiness

Problems parenting children“

 

https://caldaclinic.com/boarding-school-syndrome-the-childhood-trauma-of-privilege/

 

I’m not sure the best use of public funds.

 

I’m not sure the best use of public funds.

 

Why?

 

To a forces family, a boarding school can offer stability, both academically and socially. Some families move around the country or overseas quite often and sometimes sporadically. By choosing to board, pupils can enjoy a stable education and friendship group, allowing them to nurture and develop with their cohort without the stresses of moving to a new environment and meeting new people and re-establishing their academic footing. 

 

https://www.independentschoolparent.com/promotion/the-benefits-of-boarding-school-for-forces-families/

Edited November 12 by Bkk Brian

[billd766]

14 hours ago, john donson said:

too many privilege's of too many people...army is evil, only kill people in countries they had no business to be in the first place... and cost a lot that could be used for society...

The Army is NOT evil.

 

Why not blame the politicians who send them to other countries in the first place.

[jayboy]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“the wealthy and well educated middle class will ALWAYS find a way to give their children an advantage in life.”

 

Though no longer free of VAT.

 

The route to privilege through private schools is clear:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/private-schools-social-mobility-commission-sutton-trust-education-elitist-a8972731.html

 

It's not clear at all.Let me make it simple for you.If private schools were abolished, the children of well educated middle class parents would still tend to end up at the top of the heap.

 

I have a lot of respect for the Sutton Trust.If there's a wish to press for equality of opportunity (and i think most people will support this) , then the work needs to be done in the state education sector - not by penalizing aspiration and the pursuit of excellence.

 

 

[jayboy]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Many people with boarding school syndrome will show some or all the following symptoms and traits:

Problems with anger, depression, or anxiety

Failure to sustain relationships and difficulties with emotional intimacy

Fear of abandonment and/or separation anxiety

Lack of trust

Alcoholism, substance abuse, or other addictive behaviours

Eating disorders

Controlling or perfectionist tendencies

Bullying behaviours

Fear of failure

Find it hard to switch off and relax

Feel alone, even in a group of people

A feeling of emptiness

Problems parenting children“

 

https://caldaclinic.com/boarding-school-syndrome-the-childhood-trauma-of-privilege/

 

I’m not sure the best use of public funds.

 

Boarding school syndrome is real though the the system has changed out of recognition in the last 20 years.

 

In any case most independent school children are at day schools.

 

No other country on earth charges VAT on education.

[billd766]

11 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

When did I say it's a good job?  What are you talking about?  I think you've let emotions rule over logic here.

 

 

This is all very nice, but it's a job you take on voluntarily, knowing exactly what you are getting into.  There's no conscription.

 

Still waiting to hear why this means you need private school rather than state school.

So when you are moved 3 or 400 miles away do you still want to send your child to the same school they are already at, or move to a new school close to where you now live?

 

Have you NO idea how the real world works?

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So when you are moved 3 or 400 miles away do you still want to send your child to the same school they are already at, or move to a new school close to where you now live?

 

Have you NO idea how the real world works?

I frequently moved more than 3 or four hundred miles while my children were in school.

I have different view to you of how the real world works.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

It's not clear at all.Let me make it simple for you.If private schools were abolished, the children of well educated middle class parents would still tend to end up at the top of the heap.

 

I have a lot of respect for the Sutton Trust.If there's a wish to press for equality of opportunity (and i think most people will support this) , then the work needs to be done in the state education sector - not by penalizing aspiration and the pursuit of excellence.

 

 

The budget has increased spending on state schools by £Billions.

 

Purchasing access to privilege through private schools is now subject to VAT.

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I frequently moved more than 3 or four hundred miles while my children were in school.

I have different view to you of how the real world works.

 

Here's the real world from a military kid and professionals

 

I know what it is like firsthand to always be packing and moving. It is difficult. Being a military child is already incredibly stressful. You are always worried and frustrated about moving. I believe it should be up to the service members and their children to decide if they move and where they move to.

Military kids should not be forced to move as often as we must because they do not get to keep their friends. Losing friends is upsetting and moving every couple of years makes it hard to keep friends. It is unfair because we do not get to hang out with our friends and do not usually see them again because we have moved so far away from each other.

 

Military Kids Face Unique Challenges to Their Mental Health

Military or not, frequent moves during adolescence have been linked to fewer quality relationships in adulthood and lower feelings of well-being and life quality. Recently, the Army’s director of psychological health indicated that one in five Army kids would need mental health treatment by the time they’re 16 years old. The exact causes aren’t definitively known. Nevertheless, the transience and deployment rate that distinguish military life are notable stressors.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's the real world from a military kid and professionals

I assure you, I don’t need you to tell me about either.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I assure you, I don’t need you to tell me about either.

For someone that didn't even know that the UK does provide State boarding schools including for military children then I somehow doubt that.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

For someone that didn't even know that the UK does provide State boarding schools including for military children then I somehow doubt that.

you need to explain how that is relevant to the skate I made.