5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

What crimes pray tell?

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

40 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

What crimes pray tell?

In the MAGA alternate universe! 😀

2 hours ago, johng said:

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

Is it the autism from the vaccines or the worm, that’s telling you to make this stuff up?

4 hours ago, candide said:

Sorry if I misunderstood you. So we agree that the Covid 19 virus has not been created by the NIH research program. It's was not obvious from your posts as you mix plenty of arguments.

 

About the claim you just made, it is not true that the dominant scientific explanation is that the virus is man made. It's the opposite.

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

3 hours ago, johng said:

 

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

 

There's not enough tinfoil in the world, obviously.

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

1 minute ago, candide said:

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

17 hours ago, pattayasan said:

anti anti-science nuttery is always a good thing.

Whaaaa.?

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4 hours ago, johng said:

let's hope so ,I also want to see them tried for their crimes against humanity along with their accomplises Fauchi  ,Gates etc

Long overdue.

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

Get informed. There were plenty of 'natural' viruses stored in this lab. That was its main activitiy: collect viruses (mainly from bat's feces) and analyse them. You are sowing confusion.

 

It's you who made a claim, and it's you who needs to provide scientific evidence.

 

You are projecting. Unlike you, I have no obsession and I don't care from where it comes. The current dominant scientific position is that it is not man made. It likely comes from the wet market, but there is no absolute evidence so it may also have leaked from the lab.

 

If the dominant scientific position changes and becomes that it is man made, so be it. I would have no problem with it.

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5 hours ago, novacova said:

Now watch the vaccine makers stock plummet 

It's happening.

42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

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15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's happening.

 

Pfizer is up since the election, quite a bit. Moderna down but I suspect that is more to do with earnings because it's been dropping hard since May this year.

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by pattayasan

22 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's the same demonising language used against anyone critical of the mRNA gene therapy. Don't trust mRNA jabs then you're an anti-vaxxer. Complete nonsense.

Agree. I refused to take the mRNA jab, and very happy I didn't.

 

Luckily the mandate to be double vaxxed was cancelled because of citizen refusal to be sheeple, so I never had the booster for the non mRNA vaccine I eventually had to take, as they were making it too difficult not to be vaxxed. No freedom under labour. I'm happy they got the boot.

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Long overdue.

There would be no shortage of volunteers to pull the lever if they ever get convicted, but that is as likely as Musk being on his first rocket to Mars.

5 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

Apparently you never heard of gain of function.

So it looks like Polio, Measles and other such diseases are going to be making a big comeback. 
 

I wonder how many people will die as a consequence of putting this clown in charge of health? 

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

Yes, claims made by a fraudulent doctor on the make. I believe his name was Andrew Wakefield. He headed to the US after he was exposed and censured in the UK. The Americans loved him for telling them what they wanted to hear. He ended up with an Australian supermodel girlfriend. 
 

The world has gone mad.

 

 

7 hours ago, candide said:

Get informed. There were plenty of 'natural' viruses stored in this lab. That was its main activitiy: collect viruses (mainly from bat's feces) and analyse them. You are sowing confusion.

 

It's you who made a claim, and it's you who needs to provide scientific evidence.

 

You are projecting. Unlike you, I have no obsession and I don't care from where it comes. The current dominant scientific position is that it is not man made. It likely comes from the wet market, but there is no absolute evidence so it may also have leaked from the lab.

 

If the dominant scientific position changes and becomes that it is man made, so be it. I would have no problem with it.

Exactly. The realities are there is no high level confidence conclusion as to where it came from, instead the majority consensus at the moment states it was as a result of it spreading to humans at the Huanan Seafood Market from wild animals there.

 

That said, this is not conclusive and there is still a possibility to was via a lab leak as stated by some US state departments including the Energy Dept with low confidence reports. 

 

What is important is to get to the bottom of it as it will help determine the fight against future pandemics. Whatever the reason it was for its spread. Anyone who dismisses one conclusion over another is just being ignorant to the facts which are that there is no high level conclusion yet.

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

So it looks like Polio, Measles and other such diseases are going to be making a big comeback. 
I wonder how many people will die as a consequence of putting this clown in charge of health? 

 

Kennedy has the deaths of 83 children and young adults to explain. It is an incident that should be  brought to public attention at a Senate confirmation hearing.

 

- In 2018, there were 2 deaths that followed measle vaccination. Samoa suspended its vaccination program while it investigated

- Kennedy, an ardent and vocal opponent of  childhood vaccination visited Samoa to pursue his opposition of vaccinations.

- Vaccination rates plummeted following the Kennedy visit, where he praised a local opponent of vaccinations as a  "hero". They went from approx 65% to approx. 30%.

- The investigation showed that the deaths had nothing to do with the safety of the vaccine. It was human error  attributed to the nurses who had mistakenly mixed the vaccine with a muscle relaxant and not the appropriate sterile water.

- Even when the error was identified,  Kennedy's group refused to acknowledge the finding.

- In the decades prior to 2019, Samoa did not have any measles deaths in  vaccinated  people, nor epidemics. Because of the drop off in vaccination, Samoa experienced an explosion in measles infections and it resulted in 83 deaths.

 

Kennedy is a public health menace and his actions should not be kept from the public.

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

How on earth has this Kennedy nut-job been nominated for this position........he lives in a different universe to others and the following should make folk afraid, very afraid:-

 

Kennedy falsely called the coronavirus vaccine the ‘deadliest vaccine ever made’

He also……

--promotes raw milk (there is a reason milk is pasteurized) and other controversial or debunked medical treatments

--argues government employees have an interest in ‘mass poisoning’ the American public

--has falsely linked antidepressants to mass shootings

--incorrectly suggests Aids may not be caused by HIV

--argues children’s gender identity can be impacted by water

--has falsely touted ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as effective Covid treatments

--argued Covid-19 was ‘ethnically targeted’ to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people

--claims 5G high-speed wireless network is used to ‘control our behaviour’

 

Perhaps drugs and a worm are responsible for his scrambled mind!

 

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

How on earth has this Kennedy nut-job been nominated for this position........he lives in a different universe to others and the following should make folk afraid, very afraid:-

 

Kennedy falsely called the coronavirus vaccine the ‘deadliest vaccine ever made’

He also……

--promotes raw milk (there is a reason milk is pasteurized) and other controversial or debunked medical treatments

--argues government employees have an interest in ‘mass poisoning’ the American public

--has falsely linked antidepressants to mass shootings

--incorrectly suggests Aids may not be caused by HIV

--argues children’s gender identity can be impacted by water

--has falsely touted ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as effective Covid treatments

--argued Covid-19 was ‘ethnically targeted’ to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people

--claims 5G high-speed wireless network is used to ‘control our behaviour’

 

Perhaps drugs and a worm are responsible for his scrambled mind!

 

 

He wants government to collapse, that's the Project 2025 manifesto.

12 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

Ok then. If it's so widely acknowledged that it was zoonotic in nature you should have no problem providing evidence of this. Evidence proving this jumped from an animal in the Wuhan wet Market. I'm interested to see what your evidence based support for this being zoonotic is.  

Just now, dinsdale said:

Ok then. If it's so widely acknowledged that it was zoonotic in nature you should have no problem providing evidence of this. Evidence proving this jumped from an animal in the Wuhan wet Market. I'm interested to see what your evidence based support for this being zoonotic is.  

 

Zoonotic does not mean man made.

i know which i'd prefer as health secretary 

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17ta1Ttnmt/

2 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Zoonotic does not mean man made.

I know exactly what zoonotic means. What I want posted is evidence that it's zoonotic and not as a result of gain of function manipulation. Show some evidence that it jumped from an animal species to humans in the wet market in Wuhan as pushed by Fauci and it would seem still believed by some. It should be easy for anyone to find evidence of this occurrence if it's actually the case. There should be buckets of evidence to support this. Again I'll be interested in seeing this evidence.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I know exactly what zoonotic means. What I want posted is evidence that it's zoonotic and not as a result of gain of function manipulation. Show some evidence that it jumped from an animal species to humans in the wet market in Wuhan as pushed by Fauci and it would seem still believed by some. It should be easy for anyone to find evidence of this occurrence if it's actually the case. There should be buckets of evidence to support this. Again I'll be interested in seeing this evidence.

Nobody has evidence and that doesn't mean the crackpot conspiracy theories must prevail.

53 minutes ago, xylophone said:

How on earth has this Kennedy nut-job been nominated for this position........he lives in a different universe to others and the following should make folk afraid, very afraid:-

 

Kennedy falsely called the coronavirus vaccine the ‘deadliest vaccine ever made’

He also……

--promotes raw milk (there is a reason milk is pasteurized) and other controversial or debunked medical treatments

--argues government employees have an interest in ‘mass poisoning’ the American public

--has falsely linked antidepressants to mass shootings

--incorrectly suggests Aids may not be caused by HIV

--argues children’s gender identity can be impacted by water

--has falsely touted ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as effective Covid treatments

--argued Covid-19 was ‘ethnically targeted’ to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people

--claims 5G high-speed wireless network is used to ‘control our behaviour’

 

Perhaps drugs and a worm are responsible for his scrambled mind!

 

Elect an evil clown expect a circus 🤡 hey don’t worry with polio and small pox just a ripping through our population again….hey it will be great!obvious sarcasm alert I just still can’t believe we went down this road….im heartbroken 💔 

Just now, pattayasan said:

Nobody has evidence and that doesn't mean the crackpot conspiracy theories must prevail.

Are you saying there is NO evidence it's zoonotic yet you say it is zoonotic? So it's only your opinion which most likely was formed via the legacy media.