11 minutes ago, novacova said:

What is up with all the delusional war mongering…playing the game of nuclear chicken touché is utterly insane. Completely irrelevant as to who is right or wrong, every move on either side is wrong.

Putin will do nothing. He's waiting for Trump's peace plan as it will be like Christmas for him! 😀

8 minutes ago, anandra said:

Insanity because it was allowed too late, do you think Ukraine must sacrifice their own land just to save the world from nukees, no way.

Again, utterly ridiculous delusion insane statement. Any rational person would want to “save the world from nukes” only a complete idiot would rationalize otherwise.

1 minute ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

To be fair, Koreans ain't in Ukraine.

They have been sent to the Kursk region.

So technically they are fighting for Russia in Russia.

 

So if Poland or Germany decided to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, the Kremlin would be OK with that?

 

A war is a war, irrespective of ground location.

 

No doubt Putin  appreciates your grasp of the niceties.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Again, utterly ridiculous delusion insane statement. Any rational person would want to “save the world from nukes” only a complete idiot would rationalize otherwise.

Putin has been rattling the nuclear sabre since the war started. IMO he backed off when Biden made it clear the US knew exactly where he was 24/7, and he would be the first to go.

 

Like all bullies, Putin is a coward.

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A war is a war, irrespective of ground location.

 

I'm not expert but I highly doubt that.

There's a reason why north korean troops were sent to Kursk and not Ukraine. Probably some sort of mutual assistance treaty between the two countries.

But hey!

No doubt I should trust a 5-stars armchair general like you :))

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by ModdaPunk

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

You should know as you seem to be a past master at it!

I don't read western MSM. 

3 hours ago, anandra said:

If you do not have a twitter account it is your porblem my dear friend,  every single Musk's post on Twitter has been in support of Trump for at least the last 2 years. And we are talking not only about Musk, but about Trump and putin

So who is supporting who?

Re-posting my input, from what is a now a "Closed Forum Thread"  for redirection of any discourse to this current thread.

 

It is not simply, just a question of allowing use.

 

Putin has previously said that giving Ukraine the green light on missile use would effectively mean that the U.S. and NATO are "in the war."

"Flight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by military personnel from NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is a question of making a decision whether NATO countries directly participate in the military conflict or not," Putin said in September.

"If this decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries, in the war in Ukraine," he added.

 

Source.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

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Just now, frank83628 said:

I don't read western MSM. 

That is your problem/prerogative and explains the quality (or lack thereof) of your posts!

1 hour ago, candide said:

In the MAGA alternate universe...😃

No reality, the people outside causing the trouble outside were not gen Trump supporters, its will all come out once Trump takes office

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

No reality, the people outside causing the trouble outside were not gen Trump supporters, its will all come out once Trump takes office

More intrusion attempt from the MAGA alternate universe. 😀

10 hours ago, Tailwagsdog said:

Pummel the Putin Fascist dictatorship into the ground, destroy the dirty dog and finish the war he stated. The world will be so thankful to Ukraine and its allies and including many Russians that want peaceful prosperous lives without their boys & men being sent to slaughter. Make Ukraine strong & remember all those innocent good hearted men & women that died fighting for freedom. 

 Good gracious! What a foolish grasp of the facts!  It will be over son enough - no more US proxy wars!

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So who is supporting who?

My friend you forgot your own question, Musk has been supporting Trump, now we have all anti ukrainian comedy club that Trump is creating.

1 minute ago, Paul Catton said:

Flight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by military personnel from NATO countries.

Putin made that statement/quote! 

Do you have a reliable US Military source that states that ?

See ATACMS - Wikipedia regarding the various guidance systems used by the various versions!

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

That is your problem/prerogative and explains the quality (or lack thereof) of your posts!

Yeah, not reading western propaganda, how silly of me, I should believe everything without question and join you and all the other sheep!

How many times on here has the MSM been proved lying or misinforming regarding Trump? but lets believe them when it comes to Ukraine, they surely wouldn't lie about that right? does wmds, Assad gassing his people, anthrax, babies dragged from incubators ring any bells...?

57 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

ATACM's have been in Ukraine for months. Why wait until now to give "limited" use into Russian territory? And please don't say Nth Korean troops. This is a deflection. ATACM"s will make little to no difference in this regard and indeed overall ATACMs aren't going to make much difference. Civilian infrastructure? That's been being hit from the beginning. As for war crimes if you think this isn't happening on the Ukraine side also you are deluded. 

 

Civilian infrstructure was hit at a much higher level, one which meets war crime status. This is retribution.

3 minutes ago, bangadang said:

 Good gracious! What a foolish grasp of the facts!  It will be over son enough - no more US proxy wars!

I think he's got what Bidens got

1 minute ago, bangadang said:

 Good gracious! What a foolish grasp of the facts!  It will be over son enough - no more US proxy wars!

Fullish grasp of the facts are only in your imagination my friend. If you are not russian troll, where do you get your news from, russia today, fox news??? Tucker Carlson   Try to watch ruski news in russia 

5 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Re-posting my input, from what is a now a "Closed Forum Thread"  for redirection of any discourse to this current thread.

 

It is not simply, just a question of allowing use.

 

Putin has previously said that giving Ukraine the green light on missile use would effectively mean that the U.S. and NATO are "in the war."

"Flight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by military personnel from NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is a question of making a decision whether NATO countries directly participate in the military conflict or not," Putin said in September.

"If this decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries, in the war in Ukraine," he added.

 

Source.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

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Again, Putin will do nothing because it is not in his interest to spoil his chances at a future Trump 'peace plan' which will likely grant him what he wants. And Biden knows it.

 

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah, not reading western propaganda, how silly of me, I should believe everything without question and join you and all the other sheep!

How many times on here has the MSM been proved lying or misinforming regarding Trump? but lets believe them when it comes to Ukraine, they surely wouldn't lie about that right? does wmds, Assad gassing his people, anthrax, babies dragged from incubators ring any bells...?

No my friend if you are not ruski troll I recommend you  watch russian news for the russians, you will discover new world for yourself and will understand what putin wants, I am telling you seriously

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah, not reading western propaganda, how silly of me, I should believe everything without question and join you and all the other sheep!

How many times on here has the MSM been proved lying or misinforming regarding Trump? but lets believe them when it comes to Ukraine, they surely wouldn't lie about that right? does wmds, Assad gassing his people, anthrax, babies dragged from incubators ring any bells...?

Another joke my friend, what do you mean western propaganda, tucker carlsson and fox news??

North Korea an Russia actually have a reciprocal agreement which was annotated 7 months ago., no surprises then on the battlefield. 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean–Russian_Treaty_on_Comprehensive_Strategic_Partnership#:~:text=The Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic,Vladimir Putin to North Korea. 

 

1 hour ago, novacova said:

Utter insanity 

Biden the escalator of war.  Fact.

 

Trump will most likely negotiate peace.

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Again, Putin will do nothing because it is not in his interest to spoil his chances at a future Trump 'peace plan' which will likely grant him what he wants. And Biden knows it.

 

You appear to be behind the latest rhetoric.

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Again, Putin will do nothing because it is not in his interest to spoil his chances at a future Trump 'peace plan' which will likely grant him what he wants. And Biden knows it.

 

Time will tell but currently Biden is escalating the war by his actions.

11 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Civilian infrstructure was hit at a much higher level, one which meets war crime status. This is retribution.

Are you a General now?

2 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

You appear to be behind the latest rhetoric.

I am stating the obvious. If Putin attacks NATO, it will relegate Trump's (Putin's) peace plan to the dust bin.

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah, not reading western propaganda, how silly of me, I should believe everything without question and join you and all the other sheep!

How many times on here has the MSM been proved lying or misinforming regarding Trump? but lets believe them when it comes to Ukraine, they surely wouldn't lie about that right? does wmds, Assad gassing his people, anthrax, babies dragged from incubators ring any bells...?

As you stated earlier "I don't read western MSM" how do you know the content of western MSM?

PS;  I assume that you must therefore believe all non  western MSM!

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by scottiejohn

Putin and his close friends knows full well they face a war crime trials. 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

I am stating the obvious. If Putin attacks NATO, it will relegate Trump's (Putin's) peace plan to the dust bin.

IF Putin doesn’t attack NATO?

 

IF is a big word despite only 2 letters.