Boris Johnson Accuses Starmer of Aligning with Hamas Over ICC Netanyahu Arrest Warrant

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

 

The truth is what can be proven .

Evidence are undeniable facts , that cannot be bent , even somebody tries very hard to ...

 

so nothing to do with my post then just going off on a tangent

[nobodysfriend]

The Israeli modus operandi is always the same .

They set themselves a goal , like , for example , free the Gaza strip and the west bank from all palestinians ...

Justifications and excuses can always be found AFTER the facts are established .

I think , what Israel really wants is territorial expansion .

Once the west bank and the Gaza strip are " liberated ' from the palesinians , Israel is a whole ... if you look at the map . it is even understandable ...?

But the means to achieve that goal are inhumane .

" just kill them all , they are all terrorists " is a policy that will bring nothing good for the jews in the long run .

The Israelis do not want ( rightfully ) , the Holocaust to be forgotten , but what they do now , will always be remembered as well ...

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

The Israeli modus operandi is always the same .

They set themselves a goal , like , for example , free the Gaza strip and the west bank from all palestinians ...

Justifications and excuses can always be found AFTER the facts are established .

I think , what Israel really wants is territorial expansion .

Once the west bank and the Gaza strip are " liberated ' from the palesinians , Israel is a whole ... if you look at the map . it is even understandable ...?

But the means to achieve that goal are inhumane .

" just kill them all , they are all terrorists " is a policy that will bring nothing good for the jews in the long run .

The Israelis do not want ( rightfully ) , the Holocaust to be forgotten , but what they do now , will always be remembered as well ...

No, its a response to Oct 7th horrendous terrorist attacks. Lame deflection

[nobodysfriend]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, its a response to Oct 7th horrendous terrorist attacks. Lame deflection

 

... and the oct 7th attacks were a reaction to years of oppression of the palestinians by Israel ...

What about the jewish settlers and their attacks on the west bank farmers ?

You stay on their side , too ...?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

... and the oct 7th attacks were a reaction to years of oppression of the palestinians by Israel ...

What about the jewish settlers and their attacks on the west bank farmers ?

You stay on their side , too ...?

There is never justification for mass rape, murder and slaying of innocent civilians

[nobodysfriend]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There is never justification for mass rape, murder and slaying of innocent civilians

 

That is right .

Murder and slaying of innocent civilians is a speciality of the IDF as well ...

 

edit : I do not defend Hamas . They are evil in their belief and deeds ... just as ...

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

 

That is right .

Murder and slaying of innocent civilians is a speciality of the IDF as well ...

 

Murder and slaying of innocent civilians is a speciality

 

Just what Hamas says but completely untrue

[nobodysfriend]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Murder and slaying of innocent civilians is a speciality

 

Just what Hamas says but completely untrue

 

The facts talk by themselves .

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

 

The facts talk by themselves .

Yes if you listen to Hamas terrorist facts

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

That is right .

Murder and slaying of innocent civilians is a speciality of the IDF as well ...

 

edit : I do not defend Hamas . They are evil in their belief and deeds ... just as ...

 

 

   Once again , Israel is fighting against Hamas and Hamas are using civilians has human shields and that is why civilians get killed .

   Hamas are the only ones to target innocent woman and children 

[nobodysfriend]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Yes if you listen to Hamas terrorist facts

 

I do not believe nobody , not hamas , nor Israel ...

Just look at what happens in a the sad  reality .

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

The Israeli modus operandi is always the same .

They set themselves a goal , like , for example , free the Gaza strip and the west bank from all palestinians

 

    Are just imagining that or is what uncle Al Jazeera told you ?

Its nothing to do with reality 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

 

I do not believe nobody , not hamas , nor Israel ...

Just look at what happens in a the sad  reality .

but you seem to presume there are some facts that talk for themselves.......

[nobodysfriend]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

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1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Once again , Israel is fighting against Hamas and Hamas are using civilians has human shields and that is why civilians get killed .

   Hamas are the only ones to target innocent woman and children 

They are definitely not the only ones , but they are to full of hate to realize the consequences of their actions .

Shame on them ,

If Hamas disappears forever , it will only be good ... but they brainwashed a lot of normally peaceful palestinians who do not want to have anything to do with killings and war ...

That is the result of hatred ... a vicious circle .

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, nobodysfriend said:

They are definitely not the only ones , but they are to full of hate to realize the consequences of their actions .

Shame on them ,

If Hamas disappears forever , it will only be good ... but they brainwashed a lot of normally peaceful palestinians who do not want to have anything to do with killings and war ...

That is the result of hatred ... a vicious circle .

 

   The peace wanting Palestinians can move on and make peace with Israel once Hamas has gone , they will realise that Hamas caused the war and will be grateful to Israel for removing them 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

They are definitely not the only ones , but they are to full of hate to realize the consequences of their actions .

Shame on them ,

If Hamas disappears forever , it will only be good ... but they brainwashed a lot of normally peaceful Palestinians who do not want to have anything to do with killings and war ...

That is the result of hatred ... a vicious circle .

How many thousands of those ordinary peaceful palestinians entered Israel on Oct the 7th and helped in the atrocoties, how many helped bring hostages back and sold them to hamas? Did you notice those peaceful palestinians spitting on the hostages and cheering when Hamas brought them back to Gaza in trucks?

[nobodysfriend]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

How many thousands of those ordinary peaceful palestinians entered Israel on Oct the 7th and helped in the atrocoties, how many helped bring hostages back and sold them to hamas? Did you notice those peaceful palestinians spitting on the hostages and cheering when Hamas brought them back to Gaza in trucks?

 

You seem to imply that all palestinians are Hamas . That is not true .

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

You seem to imply that all palestinians are Hamas . That is not true .

Imagining things yet again then and answering for yourself, what's the point of that? Bit like those facts you talked about earlier but you don't believe anyone.

[nobodysfriend]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

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5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The peace wanting Palestinians can move on and make peace with Israel once Hamas has gone , they will realise that Hamas caused the war and will be grateful to Israel for removing them 

Who caused the war is not of relevance anymore ...

It would be good to find a way to a lasting peace now , but the continuous bombings make that difficult ...

 

[nobodysfriend]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Imagining things yet again then and answering for yourself, what's the point of that? Bit like those facts you talked about earlier but you don't believe anyone.

 

You got a specific question ?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

 

You got a specific question ?

You're the one that mentioned "normally peaceful Palestinians" I pointed out they are not all peaceful and that some took part in Oct 7th atrocities. 

 

Get it now? 

[nobodysfriend]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're the one that mentioned "normally peaceful Palestinians" I pointed out they are not all peaceful and that some took part in Oct 7th atrocities. 

 

Get it now? 

 

You quote me using different words ..

Got it ...?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

You quote me using different words ..

Got it ...?

 

29 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

They are definitely not the only ones , but they are to full of hate to realize the consequences of their actions .

Shame on them ,

If Hamas disappears forever , it will only be good ... but they brainwashed a lot of normally peaceful palestinians who do not want to have anything to do with killings and war ...

That is the result of hatred ... a vicious circle .

No I don't "Got it....?" it

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Who caused the war is not of relevance anymore ...

It would be good to find a way to a lasting peace now , but the continuous bombings make that difficult ...

 

 

   So the terror tack where 1200 innocent people were raped and murders , including women and children who were deliberately murdered and taken hostage , that isn't relevant anymore ?

[ericbj]

When will British politicians, of varying political stripes, stop sucking up to Washington?

 

If they cannot tell the truth, at least they could remain silent instead of turning the truth on its head.

 

International law applies to all nations.  None are above the law.

 

If you want "a rules-based order", international law is it.

 

[sherwood]

26 minutes ago, ericbj said:

When will British politicians, of varying political stripes, stop sucking up to Washington?

 

If they cannot tell the truth, at least they could remain silent instead of turning the truth on its head.

 

International law applies to all nations.  None are above the law.

 

If you want "a rules-based order", international law is it.

 

BS. You know that the UN and the ICC are entities unto themselves and the agenda changes as to the whims of whoever is the elected President of such agencies.

Israel is doing the work that no one else has the guts to do.

The sooner the stone age Islamist ideology is exterminated the better.

Wokisum is my other pet target for obliteration.

[jayboy]

12 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

The international criminal court has done an investigation before issuing the arrest warrants against Nethanyahu and Gallant .

They had a reason to issue the warrants .

If some do not like that , they do not like justice , but think that they are self entitled to be a superior instance to judge what already has been examined and judged ...

It is a pity the the ICC has not the power to enforce the judgement , all what will happen as a consequence is that Nethanyahu and Gallant are not free to move anywhere they might want to go .

Not enough , but a beginning .

 

 

Nigel Biggar, a Cambridge professor takes a different view -

 

"Had it been sitting in judgement on the prosecution of the war against the massively murderous Nazi empire by Britain and the US, the ICC would have issued arrest warrants for Churchill and Eisenhower. While invading Italy in 1943, the Allies caused old men, women, and children to be torn apart by bombs and shells, exposed to the wintry elements by the destruction of their homes, and starved of food and water. They did this ‘knowingly’, aware of the effects of their unavoidably imprecise bombing and shelling. But they didn’t intend civilian harm and sought to minimise it, as far as war-winning allowed. Nonetheless, their efforts weren’t ‘adequate’ to save tens of thousands from perishing.

 

The presumptuousness of a court that declares itself devoted to the cause of ‘lasting peace’, its novel and imprudent intrusion of a concept of fundamental human rights into the laws of war, and its neglect of the principle of double effect, all combine to drive a legal interpretation that makes successful war-fighting unlawful, however just its cause. Thereby the ICC undermines its own authority, forcing states intent on military victory to repudiate its jurisdiction."

[Evil Penevil]

14 hours ago, Social Media said:

Johnson criticized what he called Labour’s “acceptance of moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel," accusing the opposition party of equating “terrorists and their victims.”

 

That's the key point.  The military actions ordered by Netanyahu and Gallant  were in defense of Israel and its citizens; the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 was pure terrorism.  The civilian casualties Gaza suffered were almost entirely the result of Hamas' policy of using Gazans as human shields.  There's zero moral equivalence between the  actions of the state of Israel and a terrorist group sworn to destroy it.  

 

The  Allies  deliberately bombed civilians during WWII; think Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne and many other German cities as well as the U.S. firebombing Tokyo and dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Hundreds of thousands of women, chikdren and the elderly were killed in these Allied  aerial attacks.  Churchill and Rooseveldt, as well as the heads of the British and U.S. air forces, are regarded as national heros.  The civilian deaths in the strategic bombing of Germany and Japan was seen as a tragic but anavoidable consequence of winning the war. 

 

Eighty years later, Netanyahu has a warrant issued on suspicion of war crimes against Gazans for ordering the same type of areial bombing against Hamas.   Can someone explain why it was not a war crime for the UK  and U.S. to bomb German and Japanese  civilians but is a war crime for Israel to bomb Gazans?

 

 

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Israel made it's opinion on the ongoing investigations by the ICC very clear . Very early .

In Israel's eyes , the ICC is heavily biased and Karim Khan is an antisemite . ( as so many others who dare to criticize Israel . )

 

 

When did the ICC deliver its request to Israel for an investigation of the allegations?

When did Israel respond to the ICC on the charges, and where is that formal response found amongst the ICC declarations in this case?

This is a legal action and there are procedures to follow. Unfortunately, there is also a great deal of political  sloganeering that attaches and one must differentiate between political posturing and the actual legal process.

[ericbj]

17 hours ago, sherwood said:

BS. You know that the UN and the ICC are entities unto themselves and the agenda changes as to the whims of whoever is the elected President of such agencies.

Israel is doing the work that no one else has the guts to do.

The sooner the stone age Islamist ideology is exterminated the better.

Wokisum is my other pet target for obliteration.

Looking at their past record, there is a degree of bias within the ICC.  Perhaps from fear or some other reason, they have been most reluctant to prosecute leaders of 'western' nations, and notably the U.S., who have repeatedly violated international law.