Brits, hope may be on the way: Musk!

[BigStar]

And just like that, things are now looking up for Farage.

 

 

But then, yesterday, came a bombshell poll which, for the first time in history, put Nigel Farage’s Reform party ahead of the incumbent Labour Party.

 

Sitting comfortably on 24% —Reform’s highest share of the vote with any pollster since the election—Farage’s party has not only overtaken Labour but is also within the margin of error of overtaking the Tories, who are only 2-points ahead, on 26%.

     --A bombshell new poll -why Reform is surging

 

 

[riclag]

I was at a party with many falang’s recently.

The falangs  from  socialist countries  didn’t participate im my circle of Starmer discussions!

The general consensus was  Bravo Musk!

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

I was at a party with many falang’s recently.

The falangs  from  socialist countries  didn’t participate im my circle of Starmer discussions!

The general consensus was  Bravo Musk!

Sounds like quite a party!

[BigStar]

Winning . . .

 

Winning Another Seat from Labour.

 

Nigel Farage’s Reform Party has gained another council seat from the ruling Labour Party. In a local by-election held in St Helens, Liverpool, on Thursday night, Reform candidate Victor Floyd secured victory in the Blackbrook ward, defeating Labour’s Sally Yeoman.

     --https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/12/14/farages-reform-party-gains-ground-winning-another-seat-from-labour/

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Winning . . .

 

Winning Another Seat from Labour.

 

Nigel Farage’s Reform Party has gained another council seat from the ruling Labour Party. In a local by-election held in St Helens, Liverpool, on Thursday night, Reform candidate Victor Floyd secured victory in the Blackbrook ward, defeating Labour’s Sally Yeoman.

     --https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/12/14/farages-reform-party-gains-ground-winning-another-seat-from-labour/

 

Almost completely irrelevant to anyone outside of the Blackbrook ward. The next general election is 4 years away. 

 

In any event, the turnout for this council election was 15% which, if it shows anything, is a disenchantment with politics by most of the UK electorate.

[BigStar]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Almost completely irrelevant to anyone outside of the Blackbrook ward. The next general election is 4 years away. 

 

In any event, the turnout for this council election was 15% which, if it shows anything, is a disenchantment with politics by most of the UK electorate.

 

A journey of a thousand miles . . . .

 

 

 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

A journey of a thousand miles . . . .

 

 

 

 

... would take 500 hours at a leisurely 2mph pace. It will certainly take Reform a lot longer than that to gain power.

 

I'm puzzled by the relevance of the video to a council by-election result in St. Helens? The video appears to be of a police raid conducted in Bethnel Green, London, which is some 200 miles from St. Helens.

[BigStar]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

... would take 500 hours at a leisurely 2mph【3,2 km/h】 pace. It will certainly take Reform a lot longer than that to gain power.

 

I'm puzzled by the relevance of the video to a council by-election result in St. Helens? The video appears to be of a police raid conducted in Bethnel Green, London, which is some 200 miles【322 km】 from St. Helens.

 

Perhaps the relevance may be that people in St. Helens have voted in hope that someday they needn't fear such police raids in St. Helens.

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Perhaps the relevance may be that people in St. Helens have voted in hope that someday they needn't fear such police raids in St. Helens.

 

 

I doubt very much that fear of a police raid figured highly in the reasons for voting among the 800 or so people who voted in the recent St. Helens council by-election.

 

I also doubt that worrying about a possible police raid is particularly high on the list of 'Things to Fear' for the overwhelming majority of the +/-70m people who live in the UK.

[BigStar]

45 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I doubt very much that fear of a police raid figured highly in the reasons for voting among the 800 or so people who voted in the recent St. Helens council by-election.

 

I also doubt that worrying about a possible police raid is particularly high on the list of 'Things to Fear' for the overwhelming majority of the +/-70m people who live in the UK.

 

That hardly needs to be the ONLY factor, you see. Perhaps it's one of many. Perhaps they also don't like police raids happening elsewhere. More broadly, they may not like the wide restrictions on free speech throughout the country. The person who associated the video w/ St. Helens seems to have thought so. You may disagree, but who cares? You may argue it was about potholes if you wish.

 

Fact remains that Farage did pick up another council seat. Is it another indicator of momentum? Maybe, maybe not. Will there be many more? We'll need to wait and see.

[RayC]

13 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

That hardly needs to be the ONLY factor, you see. Perhaps it's one of many. Perhaps they also don't like police raids happening elsewhere. More broadly, they may not like the wide restrictions on free speech throughout the country. The person who associated the video w/ St. Helens seems to have thought so. You may disagree, but who cares? You may argue it was about potholes if you wish.

 

Fact remains that Farage did pick up another council seat. Is it another indicator of momentum? Maybe, maybe not. Will there be many more? We'll need to wait and see.

 

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps ... In other words, it is idle speculation with nothing to support it. 

 

It is a fact that Reform picked up another council seat and that the polls show increased support for them. However, these events are of very little importance in relation to national governance.

 

The result of an individual council by-election holds no importance for anyone living outside of the local council area.

 

It might be argued that the current increased support for Reform shows that they have the wind behind them, and it might lead to an increase in donations and their membership however, unless there is an unforeseen event, the next general election will not take place until 2028 at the earliest. Therefore Reform's current momentum is of little significance. Let's see where they are in 3 years time.

 

You may disagree but, "who cares"?

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps ... In other words, it is idle speculation with nothing to support it.

 

But you're only asking for idle speculation, as I'm neither the author of the article nor the editor of the site publishing the article. Then you're unsatisfied that idle speculation is merely idle speculation that you can't prove wrong. BTW, I never owed you any speculation in the first place.

 

If you want a definitive answer to your question: 

 

19 hours ago, RayC said:

I'm puzzled by the relevance of the video to a council by-election result in St. Helens? The video appears to be of a police raid conducted in Bethnel Green, London, which is some 200 miles【322 km】 from St. Helens.

 

then email https://thenationalpulse.com and ask for yourself. You need to know "the reasons for voting among the 800 or so people who voted in the recent St. Helens council by-election," then contact somebody there.

 

https://www.sthelens.gov.uk/article/5836/Contact-us

 

DUH.

 

3 hours ago, RayC said:

It is a fact that Reform picked up another council seat and that the polls show increased support for them.

 

Yep, and that's my only point in my posts, which you've agreed with, as it's indisputable. Whatever conclusions or speculations you wish to make based on that fact is entirely up to you. I have no horse in this race, as I'm not a Brit. I rather like Farage, however.

 

[RayC]

3 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

But you're only asking for idle speculation, as I'm neither the author of the article nor the editor of the site publishing the article. Then you're unsatisfied that idle speculation is merely idle speculation that you can't prove wrong. BTW, I never owed you any speculation in the first place.

 

If you want a definitive answer to your question: 

 

 

then email https://thenationalpulse.com and ask for yourself. You need to know "the reasons for voting among the 800 or so people who voted in the recent St. Helens council by-election," then contact somebody there.

 

https://www.sthelens.gov.uk/article/5836/Contact-us

 

DUH.

 

 

Yep, and that's my only point in my posts, which you've agreed with, as it's indisputable. Whatever conclusions or speculations you wish to make based on that fact is entirely up to you. I have no horse in this race, as I'm not a Brit. I rather like Farage, however.

 

 

Which rather begs the question why you felt the need to post those links in the first place, if it wasn't to speculate that there is a casual link between the events described? 

 

As a Brit, I do have a horse in the race. I don't like Farage.

 

The fact that Reform won the by-election in question is beyond doubt.

 

Have a nice day (genuine wish).

[Samh]

Musk can pay $100 million into my bank account and I promise to donate it to Reform. Damn it is difficult type with your fingers crossed.

[BigStar]

36 minutes ago, RayC said:

Which rather begs the question why you felt the need to post those links in the first place, if it wasn't to speculate that there is a casual link between the events described? 

 

That's not a begged question but your own new question with a speculation about my speculation.

 

Answer: To relate to the members information of which they may not be aware but may find of interest, as others have felt it important enough to publish. That, in a spirit of benevolent public service.

 

Nowhere did I imply causality. However, some members may find the correlation of interest and may speculate accordingly. I myself didn't speculate until you absolutely needed speculation to allay your puzzlement. But then you decided you didn't like speculation you didn't agree with, as you couldn't really refute it, so then offered up your own definitive opinions for your own satisfaction, only to agree with me that we'll need to wait and see.

 

So then, having failed to give you agreeable speculations, in all benevolence I also gave you the links whereby you may find answers to your questions.

 

[RayC]

34 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

That's not a begged question but your own new question with a speculation about my speculation.

 

Answer: To relate to the members information of which they may not be aware but may find of interest, as others have felt it important enough to publish. That, in a spirit of benevolent public service.

 

Nowhere did I imply causality. However, some members may find the correlation of interest and may speculate accordingly. I myself didn't speculate until you absolutely needed speculation to allay your puzzlement. But then you decided you didn't like speculation you didn't agree with, as you couldn't really refute it, so then offered up your own definitive opinions for your own satisfaction, only to agree with me that we'll need to wait and see.

 

So then, having failed to give you agreeable speculations, in all benevolence I also gave you the links whereby you may find answers to your questions.

 

 

So during a discussion about a specific issue i.e. a council by-election in NW England you post a seemingly unrelated video about a police raid in London which you feel might be of interest to readers, and which might lead readers to somehow find some correlation between the two events. 

 

If you say so.

[BigStar]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

So during a discussion about a specific issue i.e. a council by-election in NW England

 

For Farage. And you decided Farage's winning wasn't about Farage--a speculation.

 

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

you post a seemingly unrelated video about a police raid in London which you feel might be of interest to readers, and which might lead readers to somehow find some correlation between the two events. 

 

Yup. Big disenchantment in the UK about immigration and preferences given migrants.

 

 

Suppression of free speech and police raids can happen anywhere for the same reason. It turns out that Reform UK is distinguishing itself by promising a return to Brit culture, emphasized up front, and a fix for the immigration problem.

 

You are worse off, both financially and culturally. Wages are stagnant, we have a housing crisis, our young people struggle to get on the property ladder, we have rising crime, energy bills are some of the highest in Europe, the NHS isn’t working, both legal and illegal immigration are at record levels and woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools.

 

Only Reform will stand up for British culture, identity and values. We will freeze immigration and stop the boats. Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Unlock real economic growth.

     --https://www.reformparty.uk/

 

So it seems a more plausible speculation that St. Helens may have voted for Farage merely 'cause they like what they're hearing from Farage. They must be aware of what's happening throughout the UK.

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

For Farage. And you decided Farage's winning wasn't about Farage--a speculation.

 

Please don't attribute statements to me which I didn't make.

 

Nowhere did I state that Reform winning the council election in St. Helens had nothing to do with Farage.

 

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Yup. Big disenchantment in the UK about immigration and preferences given migrants.

 

 

Yes there is. I have not stated or suggested otherwise anywhere.

 

In any event, it has no bearing on my point.

 

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Suppression of free speech and police raids can happen anywhere for the same reason.

 

What does that actually mean?

 

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

It turns out that Reform UK is distinguishing itself by promising a return to Brit culture, emphasized up front, and a fix for the immigration problem.

 

You care to tell me what this Brit culture to which we'll be returning will look like? Standing terraces at football matches? Fish'n'chips wrapped in newspaper? Punks in the King's Road? The London Docks reopening?

 

Reform will fix the immigration 'problem'. That's what the Tories said and what Labour are promising. Forgive my skepticism.

 

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

You are worse off, both financially and culturally. Wages are stagnant, we have a housing crisis, our young people struggle to get on the property ladder, we have rising crime, energy bills are some of the highest in Europe, the NHS isn’t working, both legal and illegal immigration are at record levels and woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools.

 

Only Reform will stand up for British culture, identity and values. We will freeze immigration and stop the boats. Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Unlock real economic growth.

     --https://www.reformparty.uk/

 

Apart from the word 'Reform', you could have told me that those statements were lifted from any UK party manifesto and I would have believed you.

 

As I said in the previous paragraph, forgive my skepticism.

 

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

So it seems a more plausible speculation that St. Helens may have voted for Farage merely 'cause they like what they're hearing from Farage. They must be aware of what's happening throughout the UK.

 

 

It's a truism to say that the voters of St. Helens voted for Farage/ Reform because they liked what they heard. They were hardly likely to vote for a party/ individual where they didn't like what they were being told!

 

And that's all well and good but to return to my original point: In no way does any of that  prove that/explain why a video of a police raid, which took place in Bethnel Green, London, should have relevance to the outcome of a council by-election in a ward in St. Helens, Lancashire, a town some 200 miles away, even if - unlikely as it is - the voters actually saw the video in question.

[BigStar]

New developments!

 

Brexit Hero Nigel Farage Meets Musk at Mar-a-Lago, Fueling Rumors that Tech Billionaire Will Help Reform UK’s Populist Revolution in Britain

 

and, from the article,

 

Reform’s treasurer Candy has committed to giving £1million of his own money to Reform, but is heading a push to raise ‘tens of millions more’ from other wealthy business figures.

 

Musk seems fighting w/ the MPs who want to censor him.

 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

New developments!

 

Brexit Hero Nigel Farage Meets Musk at Mar-a-Lago, Fueling Rumors that Tech Billionaire Will Help Reform UK’s Populist Revolution in Britain

 

and, from the article,

 

Reform’s treasurer Candy has committed to giving £1million of his own money to Reform, but is heading a push to raise ‘tens of millions more’ from other wealthy business figures.

 

Musk seems fighting w/ the MPs who want to censor him.

 

 

 

Do you seriously believe that a UK parliamentary committee - which incidentally consists of MPs from all three main parties - have asked Elon Musk to appear before them as a pretext for then detaining him on charges of counter terrorism?

[candide]

On 12/17/2024 at 4:41 PM, BigStar said:

 

For Farage. And you decided Farage's winning wasn't about Farage--a speculation.

 

 

Yup. Big disenchantment in the UK about immigration and preferences given migrants.

 

 

Suppression of free speech and police raids can happen anywhere for the same reason. It turns out that Reform UK is distinguishing itself by promising a return to Brit culture, emphasized up front, and a fix for the immigration problem.

 

You are worse off, both financially and culturally. Wages are stagnant, we have a housing crisis, our young people struggle to get on the property ladder, we have rising crime, energy bills are some of the highest in Europe, the NHS isn’t working, both legal and illegal immigration are at record levels and woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools.

 

Only Reform will stand up for British culture, identity and values. We will freeze immigration and stop the boats. Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Unlock real economic growth.

     --https://www.reformparty.uk/

 

So it seems a more plausible speculation that St. Helens may have voted for Farage merely 'cause they like what they're hearing from Farage. They must be aware of what's happening throughout the UK.

 

Did he promise free haircuts, too? 😆