Trump orders Hostages released

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Many organisations are of the POV Israeli forces have not complied to the Rules of War and in fact are liable for War Crimes prosecution though we all know that will not happen. One only needs to view the daily reports coming out of Gaza and the West Bank of the indiscriminate killings. Such as one bombing today killing twenty children at a school. Not interested in your deflection, excuses and so on - it is unforgiveable

Rubbish

 

Experts have different opinions to the Hamas sourced propaganda

 

Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

[Dan O]

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Got a credible link confirming Hamas response to trump's threat will be to release the hostages? The only Hamas response I can locate is below....

 

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-hits-back-trump-threat-1994943

I'm sure the trump fan boys will claim msm propaganda and liberal bias media because they can't ever get past a trump headline comment no matter how ridiculous 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

I'm sure the trump fan boys will claim msm propaganda and liberal bias media because they can't ever get past a trump headline comment no matter how ridiculous 

Trump fan boys? What like the ex hostages asking Trump?

 

1st hostage to return from Gaza meets Trump, urges him to do all he can to free captives

https://www.timesofisrael.com/1st-hostage-to-return-from-gaza-meets-trump-urges-him-to-do-all-he-can-to-free-captives/

 

Or perhaps families of hostages doing the same?

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish

 

Experts have different opinions to the Hamas sourced propaganda

 

Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

 

Even if you accept every word of this guy's opinion......it doesn't take away from the fact that IDF attacks have resulted in the most horrendous suffering.......I'm not commenting in order to choose a side.......Oct 7 was an atrocity (1,200 murdered)  and I would have no hesitation in having all those involved, burn in hell.....but ......

 

............. 35,000 people have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023. Among those:

 

• 40% are men (~14,000)

 

• 32% are children (~11,200)

 

• 20% are women (~7,000)

• 8% are elderly (~2,800)

 

 (Thousands remain uncounted, unidentified or trapped under rubble).

 

Had the tables been turned and Israel committed the Oct 7 atrocity (hard to imagine I know).....and Hamas, Hezbollah et al, responded by killing Israel's in these numbers, can you image how the "world" would react?

 

 

[Dan O]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump fan boys? What like the ex hostages asking Trump?

 

1st hostage to return from Gaza meets Trump, urges him to do all he can to free captives

https://www.timesofisrael.com/1st-hostage-to-return-from-gaza-meets-trump-urges-him-to-do-all-he-can-to-free-captives/

 

Or perhaps families of hostages doing the same?

Typical fan boy post trying to deflect and twist info to try to show something different than reality. When was that hostage released? Well before the elections and well before Trump's statement. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Even if you accept every word of this guy's opinion......it doesn't take away from the fact that IDF attacks have resulted in the most horrendous suffering.......I'm not commenting in order to choose a side.......Oct 7 was an atrocity (1,200 murdered)  and I would have no hesitation in having all those involved, burn in hell.....but ......

 

............. 35,000 people have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023. Among those:

 

• 40% are men (~14,000)

 

• 32% are children (~11,200)

 

• 20% are women (~7,000)

• 8% are elderly (~2,800)

 

 (Thousands remain uncounted, unidentified or trapped under rubble).

 

Had the tables been turned and Israel committed the Oct 7 atrocity (hard to imagine I know).....and Hamas, Hezbollah et al, responded by killing Israel's in these numbers, can you image how the "world" would react?

 

 

More off topic B/S, try to keep up

 

Manipulated Data in Gaza Casualty Reporting Exposed by Think Tank

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Typical fan boy post trying to deflect and twist info to try to show something different than reality. When was that hostage released? Well before the elections and well before Trump's statement. 

Anyone can easily check a members posting history, if you did that you would clearly that nobody could call me a Trump fan boy. The hostages are the priority and if he can help I am all for it. The questions on the hostage meeting trump is all in the link fella

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More off topic B/S, try to keep up

 

Manipulated Data in Gaza Casualty Reporting Exposed by Think Tank

 

 

Off topic responding to your post???

 

Let's halve the figures I posted.....let's say ONLY 5,000 children died......mmmm.....that feel better???

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

Off topic responding to your post???

 

Let's halve the figures I posted.....let's say ONLY 5,000 children died......mmmm.....that feel better???

Yes way off topic and I just directed you to some facts, this is about releasing the hostages including these ones.

 

The Bibas family, including 10-months-old Kfir, 4-year-old Ariel and their mother Shiri were abducted by Hamas on October 7. 

Hamas must be held accountable.
Hamas must release all hostages immediately.

 

 

[Dan O]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Anyone can easily check a members posting history, if you did that you would clearly that nobody could call me a Trump fan boy. The hostages are the priority and if he can help I am all for it. The questions on the hostage meeting trump is all in the link fella

No problem with any hostage being  released at any point for any reason,  but don't present it as if its something to do with trump since it occurred months ago. 

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish

 

Experts have different opinions to the Hamas sourced propaganda

 

Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

 

Have we seen the IDF decision making processes on whether to destroy a target or not? The IDF continually make the claim they are the most moral / ethical military in the world. That claim has worn extremely thin prior to and after Oct 7th to the point I and many others, including Israelis, no longer have any faith it that claim. A lot is now hidden by the Netanyahu right wing government with banning media critical of their actions (remind you of trump's threats?) . Any government banning critics of their actions, including local media,  have some serious issues they wish to hide. I have made my point as have you, we disagree, no need to carry on.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes way off topic and I just directed you to some facts, this is about releasing the hostages including these ones.

 

The Bibas family, including 10-months-old Kfir, 4-year-old Ariel and their mother Shiri were abducted by Hamas on October 7. 

Hamas must be held accountable.
Hamas must release all hostages immediately.

 

 

 

I would not argue against Hamas being held to account or that the hostages be released immediately......why would you think otherwise?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Dan O said:

No problem with any hostage being  released at any point for any reason,  but don't present it as if its something to do with trump since it occurred months ago. 

That link was about an ex hostage asking trump 5 days ago to help in the release of the remaining hostages, what is it that I am mis representing?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Have we seen the IDF decision making processes on whether to destroy a target or not? The IDF continually make the claim they are the most moral / ethical military in the world. That claim has worn extremely thin prior to and after Oct 7th to the point I and many others, including Israelis, no longer have any faith it that claim. A lot is now hidden by the Netanyahu right wing government with banning media critical of their actions (remind you of trump's threats?) . Any government banning critics of their actions, including local media,  have some serious issues they wish to hide. I have made my point as have you, we disagree, no need to carry on.

I bet you would argue against but then you are not an expert although you are pretty good at attempting to divert the topic.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I would not argue against Hamas being held to account or that the hostages be released immediately......why would you think otherwise?

Where did I claim otherwise, stop making things up.

[Jonnapat]

Does he not realise that he is not the President yet?

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Where did I claim otherwise, stop making things up.

 

You really need to take a chill pill dear and calm down.

[Thingamabob]

On 12/5/2024 at 4:05 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Success has obviously gone to Trump's head and made him doolally if he thinks they will let the hostages go because he says so.

 

Those people don't care about the west except to hate us.

 

Also, they know that the only thing likely stopping israel going full armageddon on Gaza are the hostages.

The only way any are getting out alive is a permanent ceasefire, and israel getting out of Gaza and letting aid in.

 

It's interesting that the latest "initiatives" never involve Hamas or Hezbollah, as if they don't exist. Eg the "ceasefire" agreement with Lebanon didn't involve Hezbollah, just the incompetent, corrupt and useless Lebanese government.

A statutory snide comment about Trump but never mind. At least a degree of leadership being shown. Interesting times ahead in the middle east...

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

You really need to take a chill pill dear and calm down.

So you make false claims about me and tell me I am the one that needs to take a chill pill. Pretty feeble fail 

 

The topic is also not about me Will B Good. 

[Dan O]

41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That link was about an ex hostage asking trump 5 days ago to help in the release of the remaining hostages, what is it that I am mis representing?

Your presenting that in the middle of a discussion about how trump's demand to release hostage is what caused movement in the situation as if he had anything to do with this release. I'm sure if you search you will find the same situation where the released or families made similar request of Biden admin. 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Your presenting that in the middle of a discussion about how trump's demand to release hostage is what caused movement in the situation as if he had anything to do with this release. I'm sure if you search you will find the same situation where the released or families made similar request of Biden admin. 

I have provided links to developments. That you disagree with them is not my problem. Feel free to provide links to counter them. I am waiting. Or is all you have about accusing people of being Trump fan boys.

[sherwood]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

Even if you accept every word of this guy's opinion......it doesn't take away from the fact that IDF attacks have resulted in the most horrendous suffering.......I'm not commenting in order to choose a side.......Oct 7 was an atrocity (1,200 murdered)  and I would have no hesitation in having all those involved, burn in hell.....but ......

 

............. 35,000 people have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023. Among those:

 

• 40% are men (~14,000)

 

• 32% are children (~11,200)

 

• 20% are women (~7,000)

• 8% are elderly (~2,800)

 

 (Thousands remain uncounted, unidentified or trapped under rubble).

 

Had the tables been turned and Israel committed the Oct 7 atrocity (hard to imagine I know).....and Hamas, Hezbollah et al, responded by killing Israel's in these numbers, can you image how the "world" would react?

 

 

Hamas and Hezbollah have stated that their intent is to rid the world of Jew's, what do you expect Israel to do?

Islam hates all infidels, you may think that your support makes you immune to that hate but remember this. Islam is not your friend.

[Dan O]

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I have provided links to developments. That you disagree with them is not my problem. Feel free to provide links to counter them. I am waiting. Or is all you have about accusing people of being Trump fan boys.

As I said if you can read, any hostage released for any reason is great. But that link isn't a development to do with trumps current demand.  It occurred but has nothing to do with this topic any more than the same requests made of Biden admins . 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Dan O said:

As I said if you can read, any hostage released for any reason is great. But that link isn't a development to do with trumps current demand.  It occurred but has nothing to do with this topic any more than the same requests made of Biden admins . 

Now what claim did I make about that link? Read my post. In fact you'd better go back and read all the links I posted. If you think it has nothing to do with this topic you are trolling. Nothing else

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Got a credible link confirming Hamas response to trump's threat will be to release the hostages? The only Hamas response I can locate is below....

 

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-hits-back-trump-threat-1994943

 

   Hamas stated how many hostages they are holding and what their condition is and Hams also state they will find out where all the other hostages are and what their condition is . Hamas released that info just after Trump made his threat  

    That is the first step in resolving the issue and the hostages being freed

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Not going to happen

 

 Its already happened once .

 

"Hamas’ top political leader was killed Wednesday by a predawn airstrike in the Iranian capital, "

 

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

 

[Dan O]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas stated how many hostages they are holding and what their condition is and Hams also state they will find out where all the other hostages are and what their condition is . Hamas released that info just after Trump made his threat  

    That is the first step in resolving the issue and the hostages being 

 

 

Try reading the last part of your linked article and you will see that trump's statement has little to do with any movement and it was already in the works. 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Dan O said:

 

 

Try reading the last part of your linked article and you will see that trump's statement has little to do with any movement and it was already in the works. 

 

    I do not recall the Terrorist holders of being cooperative before Trump made his threats .

    In what way were they already in the works ?

Previous to the Trump threats , Hamas always made extraordinary demands to release the hostages , those extraordinary demands now seem to have been dropped 

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 Its already happened once .

 

"Hamas’ top political leader was killed Wednesday by a predawn airstrike in the Iranian capital, "

 

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

 

Israelis killing in Iran or a US once off strike is a very different scenario to US declaring war on Hamas and killing in Iranian territory or indeed in Gaza.

[simple1]

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas stated how many hostages they are holding and what their condition is and Hams also state they will find out where all the other hostages are and what their condition is . Hamas released that info just after Trump made his threat  

    That is the first step in resolving the issue and the hostages being freed

 

Hopefully you're correct, but sounds like wishful thinking - got the link?