Visit to get tax ID and disabled certificate today- Waste of time.

[Scouse123]

I trotted off today to get the tax number that all and sundry on here talk about incessantly like the end of the world is coming.

 

First stop tax office.

 

They had misplaced the necessary forms that needed filling out, or somebody had taken them home, and even then were unsure if they were the right ones.

 

They messed about with the pink card and the computer, but didn't really know what they were doing, and then announced they had only one other foreigner who had reported to them, and he was running a farm!

 

If you aren't working in Thailand, what are you doing here.

 

We'll take your phone number, in a classic ' Don't call us, we'll call you ' scenario.

 

Next stop local government office.

 

"I've come to get the document that says I am below 65 and disabled, so I can present it to the tax office."

 

We only do disabled cards for Thais.

 

"Yes, but new rules have come in, and I must, as a foreigner, show myself to you and provide evidence I am disabled, and you will issue me with a disabled certificate "

 

No can do, try the hospital. We haven't been told about any new rules.

 

OK, thanks everybody for your help and guidance. Bye.

 

And that was it.

 

Maybe, better luck next year when Bangkok tells these offices upcountry what the new rules are that they expect us to be adhering to.

 

 

 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

These govt workers who generally around the world are the thickest of the thick must be 10 years away from working out a tax falang process

[Scouse123]

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

These govt workers who generally around the world are the thickest of the thick must be 10 years away from working out a tax falang process

 

They couldn't wait to get back to their sandwiches!  And I am not joking.

 

You would think I had just arrived at Earth, and five of them moved forward, listening intently, so they could catch the reason as to why I was actually there.

[FritsSikkink]

9 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

They couldn't wait to get back to their sandwiches!  And I am not joking.

 

You would think I had just arrived at Earth, and five of them moved forward, listening intently, so they could catch the reason as to why I was actually there.

How would a government office know that you are disabled, would need some prove from a doctor first i would think.

[scubascuba3]

33 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

They couldn't wait to get back to their sandwiches!  And I am not joking.

 

You would think I had just arrived at Earth, and five of them moved forward, listening intently, so they could catch the reason as to why I was actually there.

Yep i went to Pattaya City Hall once had to walk around several offices, they were passing my issue from desk to desk trying to avoid work, i concluded it was full of jobworths

[Everyman]

If even the revenue office doesn’t know about any “new rules,” then surely there is nothing that needs to be done with them? 

[NoDisplayName]

3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

They messed about with the pink card and the computer, but didn't really know what they were doing,

 

Sounds about right.

 

You have a pink ID, use that number to file your tax return.

Requires activation at district level office for online filing.

[Scouse123]

8 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

How would a government office know that you are disabled, would need some prove from a doctor first i would think.

 

I took documents and proof from the UK and it is visible disability.

[FritsSikkink]

10 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I took documents and proof from the UK and it is visible disability.

Translated in Thai?

[Everyman]

12 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I took documents and proof from the UK and it is visible disability.

 

Oh…I have an invisible disability. I guess that’s “better” except people don’t believe me. 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Translated in Thai?

 

It had a photograph embossed and the disabled logo in a hologram on the front, and an expiry date of the card.

 

You don't need to read English to see what it was, and it isn't beyond me to translate to them in Thai the purpose of the card.

[Scouse123]

46 minutes ago, Everyman said:

 

Oh…I have an invisible disability. I guess that’s “better” except people don’t believe me. 

 

Is that an attempt at humour?

 

Many people have disabilities that are not visible.

 

I also have lung disease that is not visible and No, I don't carry chest X-rays around to prove it either.

[Scouse123]

This is interesting from a Thai lawyer and his take on all this panic about assessable income and tax implications.

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thai-lawyer-argues-most-expats-wont-be-impacted-by-personal-income-tax-482534

[Scouse123]

20 hours ago, Everyman said:

If even the revenue office doesn’t know about any “new rules,” then surely there is nothing that needs to be done with them? 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thai-lawyer-argues-most-expats-wont-be-impacted-by-personal-income-tax-482534

[The Cyclist]

12 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thai-lawyer-argues-most-expats-wont-be-impacted-by-personal-income-tax-482534

 

And he is correct when he says most retirees will not be impacted.

 

Some will need to obtain neither a TIN or file a tax return.

 

Some will need to obtain a TIN, file a tax return, but pay no tax.

 

Some will need to obtain a TIN, file a tax return and pay some tax.

 

His comment was aimed at the un-named individuals who have said that all expats need to obtain a TIN.

 

Which is clearly not the case.

[Seppius]

24 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

And he is correct when he says most retirees will not be impacted.

 

Some will need to obtain neither a TIN or file a tax return.

 

Some will need to obtain a TIN, file a tax return, but pay no tax.

 

Some will need to obtain a TIN, file a tax return and pay some tax.

 

His comment was aimed at the un-named individuals who have said that all expats need to obtain a TIN.

 

Which is clearly not the case.

Went to KBank to sort out that email everyone is talking about

 

One of the questions she asked me to fill out was "why don't you need a TIN", My answer was retired , end of story I hope

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, Seppius said:

Went to KBank to sort out that email everyone is talking about

 

One of the questions she asked me to fill out was "why don't you need a TIN", My answer was retired , end of story I hope

 

Just my opinion

 

Had you said retired and on a Government Pension ( Or other non taxable in Thailand ) I suspect that would have been the end of the story.

[jaywalker2]

According to Integrity Legal, this is a tempest in a teapot because nothing has actually changed and people are being stirred up for no reason.

 

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

According to Integrity Legal, this is a tempest in a teapot because nothing has actually changed and people are being stirred up for no reason.

 

It is a tempest in a teapot for some people, but a couple of things have changed

 

1. The Royal Act for CRS was published on 30 March 2023.

 

2. A new tax policy was implemented on the 01 Jan 2024, regarding tax residency and foreign income remitted to Thailand.

[jaywalker2]

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

It is a tempest in a teapot for some people, but a couple of things have changed

 

1. The Royal Act for CRS was published on 30 March 2023.

 

2. A new tax policy was implemented on the 01 Jan 2024, regarding tax residency and foreign income remitted to Thailand.

His point was the law hasn't changed yet. All that's happened is there was an internal memo about assessment changes but no indication of any implementation.

[Moonlover]

21 hours ago, Everyman said:

If even the revenue office doesn’t know about any “new rules,” then surely there is nothing that needs to be done with them? 

It's hardly surprising that the revenue offices don't know anything about the new rules affecting us retired, non working expats.

 

Because there aren't any new rules.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

This is interesting from a Thai lawyer and his take on all this panic about assessable income and tax implications.

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thai-lawyer-argues-most-expats-wont-be-impacted-by-personal-income-tax-482534

Well I don't pay tax anywhere, When I asked the German tax authorities they said I haven't paid any tax to them for the last 19 years because they have assumed I pay tax in Thailand. I worked out all my incoming money and the deductions I could use and calculated I must pay 38k Baht. It's fairly simple to work out and my income isn't complicated so I will try without a tax consultant.

[The Cyclist]

23 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

His point was the law hasn't changed yet. All that's happened is there was an internal memo about assessment changes but no indication of any implementation.

 

I never mentioned Laws, I specifically mentioned 

 

32 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

1. The Royal Act for CRS was published on 30 March 2023.

 

2. A new tax policy was implemented on the 01 Jan 2024, regarding tax residency and foreign income remitted to Thailand.

 

And if you believe that those 2 points amount to no changes, you crack on.

[soalbundy]

19 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

His point was the law hasn't changed yet. All that's happened is there was an internal memo about assessment changes but no indication of any implementation.

As I understand it the law doesn't have to change, only the internal implementation. It wasn't really meant for us but we've been caught in the net they've spread out to stop Thai businessmen waiting a year before sending their profits tax free to Thailand, we are collateral damage so I will wait until March before I do anything in the hope things for us will change positively.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

As I understand it the law doesn't have to change, only the internal implementation. It wasn't really meant for us but we've been caught in the net

 

Exactly.

[malt25]

18 hours ago, Seppius said:

Went to KBank to sort out that email everyone is talking about

 

One of the questions she asked me to fill out was "why don't you need a TIN", My answer was retired , end of story I hope

Nope ! Being retired has nothing to do with your income. 99% of we expats will have to file a tax return. If & how much we might have to pay is another issue.

[oldcpu]

On 12/6/2024 at 2:06 PM, Scouse123 said:

I trotted off today to get the tax number that all and sundry on here talk about incessantly like the end of the world is coming.

 

First stop tax office.

.... < snipped > ...

If you aren't working in Thailand, what are you doing here.

 

We'll take your phone number, in a classic ' Don't call us, we'll call you ' scenario.

 

 

That was sort of the answer I obtained from the Phuket RD when I applied for a tax-ID (and failed), although they also noted that since I had NO Thai income AND that I was also NOT bringing money into Thailand I did not need a tax-ID.

 

When Phuket RD were advised I was on an LTR-WP visa and asked would I need a tax-ID if I brought in foreign income earned during the tax reporting year ( ie 2024 tax year and subsequent tax years) ?  Their answer? They never heard of an LTR visa.  They advised, they would call me back. They never did call back.

 

They also noted my pink-ID # "might" become my Tax-ID for online tax submissions ONLY after it was activated, and given they did not believe I needed a tax-ID they were NOT going to activate the TIN for online tax submission.

 

Fortunately I prepared for this eventuality (of not being 100% certain of the tax return requirements (is that type of certainty even possible in Thailand ? )) so I had previously in 2023 (and years prior) brought enough money into Thailand to pay for my current standard of living for more than just a few more years.  I am fortunate to have that luxury.

 

So I plan just to monitor this situation , and wait - (hoping in the mean time that an unexpected massive expense might not come up (such as my wife wanting us to buy a new condo (while keeping the old condo) or something crazy like that)).

 

For Scouse123 ... what tax office did you visit?

 

 

[The Cyclist]

5 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

That was sort of the answer I obtained from the Phuket RD when I applied for a tax-ID (and failed), although they also noted that since I had NO Thai income AND that I was also NOT bringing money into Thailand I did not need a tax-ID.

 

oldcpu, I really do not understand this.

 

If you have no Thai income and you do not remit money from overseas, why would you even try to get a Thai Tax ID ( TIN ) ?

[KannikaP]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

oldcpu, I really do not understand this.

 

If you have no Thai income and you do not remit money from overseas, why would you even try to get a Thai Tax ID ( TIN ) ?

How then would the oldcpu live, or get an Extension to stay in Thailand.

[The Cyclist]

Just now, KannikaP said:

How then would the oldcpu live, or get an Extension to stay in Thailand.

 

His wife maybe, I dont know, you would need to ask oldcpu, he wrote it

 

13 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

That was sort of the answer I obtained from the Phuket RD when I applied for a tax-ID (and failed), although they also noted that since I had NO Thai income AND that I was also NOT bringing money into Thailand I did not need a tax-ID.