non O based on marriage visa extension

[Lolothai]

Hi everyone,

 

My Non-O visa expired on 28 August 2024, I went out of Thailand on 20 August and got 3 month extension then I extended to visit my wife up to 17 December.

One immigration officer told us I could still get a Non-O extension.

Is it possible?

I will use my salary for the fund requirement, above 40 000 per month, with work permit etc.

They require pictures front of the house, my wife will be there but my kids will be with their grand mother as we are both working and busy. Do they need to be on the pictures as well?

[DrJack54]

28 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I will use my salary for the fund requirement, above 40 000 per month, with work permit etc

You are referring to 12 month extension based on marriage.

Does your embassy prove "income letter"? 

[Lolothai]

My income comes from Thailand, I work for a Thai company

[Lolothai]

yes 12 months extension based on marriage

[DrJack54]

15 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

yes 12 months extension based on marriage

Which country is passport? 

 

This thread has some posts listing required documents for 12 month extension based on marriage.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1337120-what-are-docs-required-for-non-o-married-extension-please/

 

[Lolothai]

France

[Lolothai]

My extension will end on 17 December, can I get out of the territory to get 2 additional months and then make a visa outside of Thailand based on my salary?

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

My extension will end on 17 December, can I get out of the territory to get 2 additional months and then make a visa outside of Thailand based on my salary?

Think you are asking if you can border bounce without reentry permit before Dec 17 and reenter visa exempt. 

Answer: yes

Think also asking about obtaining a non O based on marriage at a Thai consulate/embassy in nearby country.

Yes that's an option. 

[Lolothai]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Think you are asking if you can border bounce without reentry permit before Dec 17 and reenter visa exempt. 

Answer: yes

Think also asking about obtaining a non O based on marriage at a Thai consulate/embassy in nearby country.

Yes that's an option. 

Thank you for your answer, for the border bounce should I use an Agency? to be certain to pass

And what about getting a non O extension at my closest immigration knowing that I extended to visit my wife already?

 

[DrJack54]

16 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

Thank you for your answer, for the border bounce should I use an Agency? to be certain to pass

Depends where you are located in Thailand and which border crossing you plan to use. 

16 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

And what about getting a non O extension at my closest immigration knowing that I extended to visit my wife already?

With an entry visa exempt (60 days) you could apply for a 30 day extension+ followed by a 60 day extension to visit wife.

 

However you would then need at some point to obtain new non O.

 

You seem to be mucking around a lot.

Is it all down to financials.

 

Note: Earlier I asked about passport to see if your embassy provides "income certificate" for immigration purposes.

Seems French embassy making changes from start of 2025.

I didn't look into it further. May be nothing

[Lolothai]

I had to search "mucking around" on google, if I understand well it means wasting time. It's not that I want to waste time but I don't have much time right now, I'm working, I don't have day off, I have to skip days, I'm not paid if I don't work (no holidays). For the finance, I'm not rich but I can afford what is required for the visa, even if I have to take an agency.

I would prefer going straight to Non-O but it needs some organization and it could be a bit short, only 8 days from now. I plan to go with my wife on 11 or 12 to the nearest immigration. She is working for 2 months quite far from here.

I'm near Rayong, so any border in Cambodia to advise for border bounce?

Another question, if I can't get the extension and have to do a new visa outside, can I do it based on my salary? does my wife needs to be there? and what would be the best place? Savannakhet?

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I would prefer going straight to Non-O but it needs some organization and it could be a bit short, only 8 days from now.

From your OP it seems that you have had uninterrupted permission of stay. 

You don't need a non O ....your extensions have been from that multi non O you obtained some time ago. 

8 days won't be enough time (imo) to obtain your 12 month extension.

19 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I'm near Rayong, so any border in Cambodia to advise for border bounce?

Yes plenty of minivan companies do runs from eg Pattaya to Cambodia.

That's a thread in itself and one currently being discussed re Cambodia. 

 

Just one person's opinion....I would consider the border bounce prior to Dec 17 with agent. 60 days + 60 extension to visit wife.

That gives you 4 months to plan.

Obtain the non O from Rayong immigration. 

Heaps of threads on that. 

[Lolothai]

So I can still get a non O without getting out of the territory after a border bounce?

[DrJack54]

23 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

So I can still get a non O without getting out of the territory after a border bounce?

A border border bounce involves exiting Thailand. (Guessing your use term  "out of the territory")

 

If you reenter Thailand visa exempt you can obtain a non O based on marriage at Rayong immigration with 15 days remaining on permission of stay. 

[Lolothai]

I still hope I can get it on 12 December, will see with the immigration officer. Regarding the pictures, if it's just me and my wife is that ok? Based on marriage not on the kids.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Lolothai said:

I still hope I can get it on 12 December, will see with the immigration officer. Regarding the pictures, if it's just me and my wife is that ok? Based on marriage not on the kids.

Did you even read links  I posted of required documents for 12 months extension.

Clearly NOT.

Im done with this thread. 

[oldcpu]

6 hours ago, Lolothai said:

My income comes from Thailand, I work for a Thai company

 

I did a double take on that (working on a Type-O visa) , and then I recalled that those on a Type-O visa, are allowed to be employed in Thailand if they are married to a Thai citizen. Hopefully my recollection is correct.

 

Be certain if going for an extension on your type-O visa to go for a marriage extension (based on being married to a Thai person). 

 

Note the approval process for a marriage extension can take a long time (compared to that of a retirement extension - where those on a retirement extension are NOT allowed to work in Thailand). 

 

So if you elect to go for an extension, apply as soon as it is possible/permitted to apply.

 

And if my understanding is wrong here, I hope others chime in and correct me.

 

 

[DrJack54]

4 hours ago, oldcpu said:

I did a double take on that (working on a Type-O visa) , and then I recalled that those on a Type-O visa, are allowed to be employed in Thailand if they are married to a Thai citizen. Hopefully my recollection is correct.

Folks on extensions from a non O based on marriage can work.

However the OP has very limited time remaining on his current permission of stay.

He thinks a few photos is sufficient.

I have posted threads with links to required docs.

It's not even clear if wife can attend immigration for 12 month extension.

His options have been outlined in the thread. 

[Lolothai]

I have read the link you sent, I have almost all documents, however my wife can come on 12 with me to the immigration, we can do the pictures together but I won't get my kids before next week end. So I can only do the pictures with her, I don't think it will be enough. I didn't say that few pictures will be enough, I will do pictures in every room and front of the house with number, it's just that my kids are not there.

Thank you for all the information, I will try like this, I don't expect to get it but at least to see what the officer will say about the document I bring. She gave us the requirement in Thai, I translated with google camera.

So my best bet is to try the visa after a border bounce.

I have maybe another option, please let me know if it's possible.

I bought a land and built a house in my wife's name in Ratchaburi, can I register my residence there despite working in Rayong?

It's a bit complicated but the last two years we were living in Rayong but my wife found job in south of Thailand and it's hard for me to work and take care of the kids so we let the kids to the grand mother. We can meet during days off and week end in Ratchaburi.

Could I try my visa in Ratchaburi immigration next time?

Also I really thought that to get a visa we had to leave Thailand and do it at the immigration of another country.

[DrJack54]

21 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

Could I try my visa in Ratchaburi immigration next time?

Also I really thought that to get a visa we had to leave Thailand and do it at the immigration of another country.

The first thing to understand is the difference between Visa and extension of stay.

A non O marriage can be obtained at various embassies/consulates. 

Can also be obtained in Thailand from a visa exempt entry or tourist visa entry.

The single entry visa is "used" upon entry and provides a 90 day. Same as a non O obtained at your immigration office.

It's important to note that if the non O is obtained in Thailand the immigration office where you obtain the non O is where you must apply for your first extension.

Subsequent extensions can be at different imm office and you need to file TM30 (change of address) 

 

Are you over 50? 

Given your unusual situation with wife working south and you Rayong etc 

You could consider non O retirement+extensions and use an agent. 

[oldcpu]

4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Given your unusual situation with wife working south and you Rayong etc 

You could consider non O retirement+extensions and use an agent. 

 

If the the OP goes for a type-O retirement extension, would the OP not be required to stop working briefly in Thailand, until they switched back again to a Type-O marriage extension? 

[Lolothai]

I'm 45 and I didn't work enough in France to get retirement.

I think I'm going to do this, will try on 12 at rayong, at least to get some advise on my current documentation.

Then border bounce on 16 December with agency, after this I will fill TM30 and register myself at Ratchaburi, however I'm wondering if it's a problem later to renew my work permit. I will try to get Non O single entry (90 days) in Ratchaburi and then get 1 year extension in Ratchaburi too.

Am I correct?

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

If the the OP goes for a type-O retirement extension, would the OP not be required to stop working briefly in Thailand, until they switched back again to a Type-O marriage extension? 

Can I delete my post.

Overlooked the fat OP has a job.

OP, disregard my post suggesting non O retirement 

[Lolothai]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Can I delete my post.

Overlooked the fat OP has a job.

OP, disregard my post suggesting non O retirement 

no problem thanks

[oldcpu]

5 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I'm 45 and I didn't work enough in France to get retirement.

I think I'm going to do this, will try on 12 at rayong, at least to get some advise on my current documentation.

Then border bounce on 16 December with agency, after this I will fill TM30 and register myself at Ratchaburi, however I'm wondering if it's a problem later to renew my work permit. I will try to get Non O single entry (90 days) in Ratchaburi and then get 1 year extension in Ratchaburi too.

Am I correct?

 

Do you have a Thai spouse?  Dr.Jack54 is FAR more knowledgeable than myself here, but at age-45 I think you can only go for a Type-O if you have a Thai spouse?

[Lolothai]

yes I have a Thai spouse and we have 2 kids together

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

Then border bounce on 16 December with agency, after this I will fill TM30 and register myself at Ratchaburi, however I'm wondering if it's a problem later to renew my work permit. I will try to get Non O single entry (90 days) in Ratchaburi and then get 1 year extension in Ratchaburi too.

Am I correct?

Yes. 

To obtain the non O marriage from visa exempt entry you use form TM87.

You need to find out about work permit. 

 

Here is thread outlines process from visa exempt to non O marriage+ subsequent 12 month extension.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1328106-marriage-visa-from-visa-exempt/

 

[Lolothai]

I could also change again my address before work permit renewal

[DrJack54]

15 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

I'm 45 and I didn't work enough in France to get retirement.

I realize that you are obtaining non O MARRIAGE however for future when 50+ the Non O retirement does not have retirement being necessary.

One  condition is No work in Thailand.

The requirement is over the age of 50.

One example is roster workers eg oil gas. 

Some of those guys use extensions from non O retirement 

[Lolothai]

that's interesting but I will probably still be working here, I really need an income 😅. I could try a business visa but it seems even more complicated and apparently I would have to do it outside of Thailand.