Israel’s Disinformation Campaign Against UNRWA

[spidermike007]

Israel is not only the largest lobbyist in the US, but they are also one of the greatest deniers of democracy in the last 75 years. Whatever you do, whatever you say, make sure it does not reflect truth, if it's in regard to Israel, the ultimate deniers of truth and reality. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course there is, Israel is there currently as an occupying force in a war against terrorists.

I suggest caution in the use of the term ‘occupying force’ it’s a status that comes with significant  binding duties under international law.

 

Which is probably why contrary to your claim Israel says it is no longer an occupying the Gaza Strip, though to your credit your statement is in agreement with the ICJ:

 

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/22/the-icj-has-demolished-israels-claims-that-it-is-not-occupying-palestinian-territories

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suggest caution in the use of the term ‘occupying force’ it’s a status that comes with significant  binding duties under international law.

 

Which is probably why contrary to your claim Israel says it is no longer an occupying the Gaza Strip, though to your credit your statement is in agreement with the ICJ:

 

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/22/the-icj-has-demolished-israels-claims-that-it-is-not-occupying-palestinian-territories

Here we go, you made this claim:

 

"Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders."

 

You are wrong as I said in my post, of course it does. That is the fact, your claim is false. Do you admit that?

 

As for journalists:

“We ask that Israel uphold its commitments to press freedom by providing foreign media with immediate, independent access to Gaza, and that Israel abides by its international obligations to protect journalists as civilians.”

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It might be argued that the last thing the IDF and Netanyahu /Hamas want is journalists providing cover of stuff the IDF and Netanyahu/Hamas don’t want the rest of the world to see.

 

I don’t find either side credible, they are both engaged in manipulation of the truth.

 

I doubt any claims of concern for the safety of journalists from two sides of a war that have both shown such disregard for lives of innocent civilians.

Typical Hamas apologist. There is no moral equivalence between Israel/IDF and Hamas and their credibly is vastly different. Yes I can provide links to that. Your opinion as I said only comes from those who cannot provide links because its not true.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here we go, you made this claim:

 

"Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders."

 

You are wrong as I said in my post, of course it does. That is the fact, your claim is false. Do you admit that?

 

As for journalists:

“We ask that Israel uphold its commitments to press freedom by providing foreign media with immediate, independent access to Gaza, and that Israel abides by its international obligations to protect journalists as civilians.”

 

 

Is Israel an Occupying Force in Gaza?

 

Giving you the opportunity to confirm your statement as contrary to the claims made by Israel or in agreement with the ICJ?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Typical Hamas apologist. There is no moral equivalence between Israel/IDF and Hamas and their credibly is vastly different. Yes I can provide links to that. Your opinion as I said only comes from those who cannot provide links because its not true.

I did not claim any ‘moral equivalence’ nor did I offer any apology for Hamas.

 

 

[Nickcage49]

Just a note: The source is a press release from the party who the disinformation is supposedly about.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is Israel an Occupying Force in Gaza?

 

Giving you the opportunity to confirm your statement as contrary to the claims made by Israel or in agreement with the ICJ?

I am more than happy to provide links to that, but you've deflected from your claims as you nomally do..........

 

"Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders."

 

False

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I did not claim any ‘moral equivalence’ nor did I offer any apology for Hamas.

 

 

That's why I said:

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Typical Hamas apologist. There is no moral equivalence between Israel/IDF and Hamas and their credibly is vastly different. Yes I can provide links to that. Your opinion as I said only comes from those who cannot provide links because its not true.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

I am more than happy to provide links to that, but you've deflected from your claims as you nomally do..........

 

"Nor does the IDF have any roll in protecting anyone beyond Israel’s boarders."

 

False

The IDF has duty not to kill journalists, it doesn’t ga e a duty to take them by the hand and walk them around Gaza.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The IDF has duty not to kill journalists, it doesn’t ga e a duty to take them by the hand and walk them around Gaza.

 

Refer back to my first post on that. Try reading it.

 

Now back to the topic again.

 

UNRWA with their buddies, photo keepsake for them.

 

:“We are united, no one can separate us.”

 

https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1859541490852298952

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's why I said:

 

 

Brian you accused me of being a Hamas apologist.

 

You have no basis for doing so, I have never offered any apology or excuse for Hamas and for what I have consistently referred to as their heinous acts of terrorism.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The IDF has duty not to kill journalists, it doesn’t ga e a duty to take them by the hand and walk them around Gaza.

 

   And the best what NOT to kill them is to keep them out the war zone .

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brian you accused me of being a Hamas apologist.

 

You have no basis for doing so, I have never offered any apology or excuse for Hamas and for what I have consistently referred to as their heinous acts of terrorism.

 

 

Correct, I did and anyone that makes a comparison to Hamas credulity alongside credilbity of Israel are imo. One are terrorist's with no morals who can not be believed the other are not.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   And the best what NOT to kill them is to keep them out the war zone .

Its a very effective means of controlling the news.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Its a very effective means of controlling the news.

 

 

Also a great way to stop them being taken hostage. Hamas don't have uniform and they mingle with the civilians

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Correct, I did and anyone that makes a comparison to Hamas credulity alongside credilbity of Israel are. One are terrorist's with no morals who can not be believed the other are not.

Agreed one side is a terrorist group with zero morals and a history of committing heinous acts.

 

The other side is engaged in a war that includes, as all wars do, a propaganda campaign.

 

Observing that statements by either are not to be trusted is not offering an apology or excusing anyone or anything. 
 

It certainly does not deserve the slurs you so readily reach for.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Also a great way to stop them being taken hostage. Hamas don't have uniform and they mingle with the civilians

Why is that a concern to Israel?

 

The international journalists are presumably not Israeli.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Its a very effective means of controlling the news.

 

 

 

   Its also to stop Hamas from wearing bullet proof  "Press" jackets and then going to interviewing the EDF in Gaza and blowing themselves and the EDF up 

[placnx]

5 hours ago, animalmagic said:

Israel " defended " itself by committing a genocide ... you can turn it many times , but it is still that . - The ICC has accused Israel of committing genocide but the actions of Israel did not meet the legal definition of genocide.

So , Israels ' right to defend itself ' did not , never , imply the use of lethal force on a whole population . - Israel has even advised the population of Gaza of when and where they will attack; it is Hamas that keeps them in harm's way as human shields.

As I said before , Israels goal is territorial expansion , and all means are considered good enough to reach that goal . - Israel has given up land for peace and forcibly removed its settlers from Gaza many years ago.  Egypt used to control Gaza and they never gave the Gazans self determination.

Israel, previously called Judea (land of the Jews) was in the same area 500 years before Islam even existed.

The claim that Israel's actions do not meet the definition of genocide was throughly debated by scores of countries in the ICJ hearing last January. South Africa's presentation, for example:

https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3

Here is one more recent report refuting this Zionist talking point that you repeat:

"Conclusions
93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials.

 

94. Israel has sought to conceal its eliminationist conduct of hostilities sanctioning the commission of international crimes as IHL-abiding. Distorting IHL customary rules, including distinction, proportionality and precautions, Israel has de facto treated an entire protected group and its life-sustaining infrastructure as ‘terrorist’ or ‘terrorist-supporting’, thus transforming everything and everyone into either a target or collateral damage, hence killable or destroyable. In this way, no Palestinian in Gaza is safe by definition. This has had devastating, intentional effects, costing the lives of tens of thousands of Palestinians, destroying the fabric of life in Gaza and causing irreparable harm to its entire population."

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/

 

Regarding the claim that Israel gave up Gaza in 2005: As many have observed, Gaza continued to be an open air prison where Israel controlled entry and exit of goods and people. This meet the definition of occupation under international law, even if settlers and IDF were no longer inside Gaza.

 

"Despite the Israeli disengagement, Gaza is still considered occupied by Israel under international law.[20][21] The current blockade prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an "open-air prison".[22][23] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[24] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

 

Regarding the collective punishment mentioned in the Wiki above, the Guardian reported in 2012 on Israeli government documents released inder court order covering the period of 2007-10:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why is that a concern to Israel?

 

The international journalists are presumably not Israeli.

You have lost the plot. What a ridiculous statement.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Agreed one side is a terrorist group with zero morals and a history of committing heinous acts.

 

The other side is engaged in a war that includes, as all wars do, a propaganda campaign.

 

Observing that statements by either are not to be trusted is not offering an apology or excusing anyone or anything. 
 

It certainly does not deserve the slurs you so readily reach for.

 

 

You need to read your previous post

[MalcolmB]

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Naw, needs to be kept up so that the folks can recognize anti-semite haters like you

I never used to hate them.

But from what I have seen over the last year, the lies and the slaughter of little kids daily, I do hate them now.

 

i suspect millions around the world are feeling the same.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

I never used to hate them.

But from what I have seen over the last year, the lies and the slaughter of little kids daily, I do hate them now.

 

i suspect millions around the world are feeling the same.

 

   Those are just Hamas lies , its Hamas who are being killed daily 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You need to read your previous post

I know precisely what I have written and I have read your baseless slur Brian. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I know precisely what I have written and I have read your baseless slur Brian. 

I stand by everything I say based on your posts. Including you last one where you asked why Israel should care about international journalists as they are not Isreali. Disgusting slurs from you

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I stand by everything I say based on your posts. Including you last one where you asked why Israel should care about international journalists as they are not Isreali. Disgusting slurs from you

I didn’t ask ‘ why Israel should care’ 

 

I asked ‘why is that a concern of Israel’.

 

There is a subtle and important difference.

 

 

Which is probably why you chose to misrepresent my question.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I didn’t ask ‘ why Israel should care’ 

 

I asked ‘why is that a concern of Israel’.

 

There is a subtle and important difference.

 

 

Which is probably why you chose to misrepresent my question.

 

 

I know what you said. I read the post and responded to it. My response stands the same. Plus it's a disgusting slur. Like all civilians Israel cares. Nationality is irrelevant.

[placnx]

6 hours ago, Donga said:

 

Quite incredible the naivety and plain ignorance of some posters. Clearly the anti-Israel luvvies don't research much, or maybe just get their news from Al Jazeera or BBC.

** Textbooks from UNRWA have been under question for years https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-003199_EN.html
** Hamas presence in schools https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-unrwa-schools.html
** UNRWA was unaware of all the Hamas military infrastructure and tunnels in and around hospitals, schools at all? Really?
** What about the the tunnels they found under the UNRWA HQ building? https://www.npr.org/2024/02/10/1230632741/israel-gaza-tunnels-unrwa-united-nations

Wake up luvvies, read some history about the region and follow the news more closely, other than the inane mainstream. If you want a more objective outlet, suggest Al-Monitor run by a Arab-American.. https://www.al-monitor.com/

It is a highly regarded.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Monitor
 

I could not check your NYT link since I canceled my subscription a while ago after the newspaper reported IDF claims as fact without any apparent attempt to verify them. As to the European parliament link, it is just some members exercising their free speech right, not any demonstration of fact. Similarly, NPR is just reporting what the Israeli government told them.

 

I agree that al-Monitor is good. Here is their story on the 296-page Amnesty report just issued on Israel's genocide in Gaza:

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/12/amnesty-international-accuses-israel-committing-genocide-gaza 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placnx said:

I could not check your NYT link since I canceled my subscription a while ago after the newspaper reported IDF claims as fact without any apparent attempt to verify them. As to the European parliament link, it is just some members exercising their free speech right, not any demonstration of fact. Similarly, NPR is just reporting what the Israeli government told them.

 

I agree that al-Monitor is good. Here is their story on the 296-page Amnesty report just issued on Israel's genocide in Gaza:

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/12/amnesty-international-accuses-israel-committing-genocide-gaza 

There is an Amnesty topic already. This is not it.