Ireland’s Move at the ICJ Redefining The Meaning of Genocide to get a Conviction

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Quite common for hotels and businesses around Thailand to openly refuse Israelis in the past.

Phuket is about 30% Muslim. They see what the Jews are doing in Gaza and are horrified by it. 

Deflection from your claims, how surprising

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Deflection from your claims, how surprising

What?
 

 

[MalcolmB]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

know a few Jews. How many do you know?

About 8 that I can think of.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

What?
 

 

Again nothing to do with your claims..........

 

 

Regards Thailand:

 

Thailand: Israeli tourists can rest easy, as one of their most frequented tourist attractions lands the title of one of the least Jew-unfriendly countries. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-10-most-anti-semitic-countries/

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

About 8 that I can think of.

You can stop snipping my quotes to cherry pick and take out of context now please

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

What?
 

 

 

   From 21 years ago 

[MalcolmB]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   From 21 years ago 

Antisemitism goes back centuries 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Antisemitism goes back centuries 

Also known as the "longest hatred" but nothing to do with this topic

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Also known as the "longest hatred" but nothing to do with this topic

Why do you think they have been singled out?

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Why do you think they have been singled out?

Read my post again. Hatred. But that is not the topic here

[Nick Carter icp]

15 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Just about any place that has Jews has a history of antisemitism

They just don’t get along with others, many of them don’t even like each other.

 

   Its often that Anti Semites are just projecting .

They are usually not very popular people , not many people like them  , they don't have many friends .

   They are aware that no one likes them and so they point their fingers at Jews , telling others how unpopular Jews are that that no one likes Jews .

  As if to make themselves more popular 

   How many Christmas Cards will you be getting this year Malcolm ?

[Bkk Brian]

Well played Israel to close Ireland embassy

 

Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar announced that Israel would close its embassy in Ireland "in light of the extreme anti-Israel policy of the Irish government," according to a statement on Sunday.

In addition, Israel will open up an embassy in Moldova, with Sa'ar saying that "the time has come for Israel to have an embassy in Moldova" after years of diplomatic relations.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy/artc-israel-to-close-ireland-embassy-open-up-one-in-moldova

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Troll posts removed. The topic here is: 

 

Ireland’s Move at the ICJ Redefining The Meaning of Genocide to get a Conviction

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

The official Irish Government press release is linked below:

 

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/1bfcd-tanaiste-announces-irelands-intervention-in-proceedings-at-the-international-court-of-justice/

 

This statement refers to Ireland’s view on the ‘interpretation of the convention’:

 

"Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life – as a committed supporter of the Convention, the government will promote that interpretation in its intervention in this case.”

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The official Irish Government press release is linked below:

 

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/1bfcd-tanaiste-announces-irelands-intervention-in-proceedings-at-the-international-court-of-justice/

In the OP the whole release with no edits. Lol 

[Chomper Higgot]

Well done Ireland.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well done Ireland.

 

 

Join the queue

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Israel has responded by stating it will close its embassy in Dublin (surely one of the more pleasant diplomatic duty posts), while curiously not closing its embassies in the capitals of other nations that have joined the petition to the ICJ, specifically Egypt, Spain and Mexico.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/15/middle-east-israel-syria-gaza-lebanon-latest-live-news
 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Israel has responded by stating it will close its embassy in Dublin (surely one of the more pleasant diplomatic duty posts), while curiously not closing its embassies in the capitals of other nations that have joined the petition to the ICJ, specifically Egypt, Spain and Mexico.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/15/middle-east-israel-syria-gaza-lebanon-latest-live-news
 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well played Israel to close Ireland embassy

 

Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar announced that Israel would close its embassy in Ireland "in light of the extreme anti-Israel policy of the Irish government," according to a statement on Sunday.

In addition, Israel will open up an embassy in Moldova, with Sa'ar saying that "the time has come for Israel to have an embassy in Moldova" after years of diplomatic relations.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy/artc-israel-to-close-ireland-embassy-open-up-one-in-moldova

Yes already posted, do you not read the topic before posting........

[Chomper Higgot]

The fact that Israel is removing its embassy from Dublin while not doing so from other nations that are signatories to the ICJ petition is not widely reported, refer Guardian report I linked above.

 

It is however a curious anomaly. 
 

I’m with Ireland on this, ‘Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life ’ (refer Irish Government press release linked above) ought not to be contentious.

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fact that Israel is removing its embassy from Dublin while not doing so from other nations that are signatories to the ICJ petition is not widely reported, refer Guardian report I linked above.

 

It is however a curious anomaly. 
 

I’m with Ireland on this, ‘Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life ’ (refer Irish Government press release linked above) ought not to be contentious.

 

 

 

 

"I’m with Ireland on this, ‘Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life ’ (refer Irish Government press release linked above) ought not to be contentious."

 

Yes we know:

 

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well done Ireland.

 

 

Hamas is also with you:

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Israel is of course entirely within its rights to withdraw its embassy in response to Ireland joining the ICJ petition, why it hasn’t done so for Egypt, Spain and Mexico is a curiosity.

 

But perhaps Israel and its supporters should pause to consider Ireland’s point of view, not only is it just as entirely within Ireland’s rights to hold and express that view, it is also rooted in Ireland’s own history of oppression and hunger.

 

Well done to Ireland, learning from its own bitter history of oppression, hunger and the jack boot of occupation.

 

 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/m-le-mag/article/2024/04/01/ireland-europe-s-most-pro-palestinian-nation-we-too-have-known-oppression-and-famine_6666995_117.html

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Israel is of course entirely within its rights to withdraw its embassy in response to Ireland joining the ICJ petition, why it hasn’t done so for Egypt, Spain and Mexico is a curiosity.

 

But perhaps Israel and its supporters should pause to consider Ireland’s point of view, not only is it just as entirely within Ireland’s rights to hold and express that view, it is also rooted in Ireland’s own history of oppression and hunger.

 

Well done to Ireland, learning from its own bitter history of oppression, hunger and the jack boot of occupation.

 

 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/m-le-mag/article/2024/04/01/ireland-europe-s-most-pro-palestinian-nation-we-too-have-known-oppression-and-famine_6666995_117.html

Exactly its within its right. 

 

"Ireland's antisemitic actions and rhetoric against Israel are based on delegitimization and demonization of the Jewish state and on double standards," he continued. "Ireland crossed all the red lines to speak to Israel. Israel will invest its resources in promoting bilateral relations with the countries of the world according to priorities that are also derived from the attitude of the various countries towards it."

 

I note you keep making a reference to well done Ireland. Strange as I you can see Hamas are also very pleased. After all, attempting to change the legal definition on a charge when its midway through a trial is every terrorists dream. They forgot its the ICJ that defines an already defined charge, not at hoc countries that want decide to join. But I suggest you read the OP its all been covered already.

[Nick Carter icp]

54 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well done Ireland.

 

 

 

  So you agree to changing the meanings of words to get convictions in Court ?

  Change the meaning of the word "genocide" to mean *supplying trucks loads of food on a regular basis* and then find Israel guilty of genocide ? 

[coolcarer]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well done Ireland.

 

 

Bookmarked. There was me believing you had morals and ethics. South Africa’s baseless evidence is not sufficient so Ireland comes along and tries to change the very definition of the meaning of Genocide. Not only that. They want to do it after the fact of the trial already starting and evidence from both sides already submitted. 
 

you have the front to say well done Ireland. Sad.
 

The only country which is attempting to change the meaning of Genocide in the case. No wonder Israel is closing their embassy there. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  So you agree to changing the meanings of words to get convictions in Court ?

  Change the meaning of the word "genocide" to mean *supplying trucks loads of food on a regular basis* and then find Israel guilty of genocide ? 

I agree with Ireland’s statement within their press release:

 

“Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life’

 

I do not necessarily believe the intent is to ‘get a conviction in court’, Ireland has made no statement on intent beyond broadening the ‘interpretation of the convention’.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Ireland asking the court to redefine Genocide to prove it, after it was already defined in 1948 under the Geneva Convention. Doing so after a trial has started. No wonder the terrorists and their supporters are lapping this one up!

[Nick Carter icp]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I agree with Ireland’s statement within their press release:

 

“Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life’

 

I do not necessarily believe the intent is to ‘get a conviction in court’, Ireland has made no statement on intent beyond broadening the ‘interpretation of the convention’.

 

 

   Is that prioritising Palestinian lives at the expense of Israeli lives ?

The war would end if the Palestinians wanted the war to end . Civilian deaths would end and they would never have happened if the Palestinians didn't wage war on Israel .

   Supporting the Palestinians just prolongs the war .

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Is that prioritising Palestinian lives at the expense of Israeli lives ?

The war would end if the Palestinians wanted the war to end . Civilian deaths would end and they would never have happened if the Palestinians didn't wage war on Israel .

   Supporting the Palestinians just prolongs the war .

 

That’s not a reading of Ireland’s statement that I subscribe to and therefore cannot answer your questions.

 

I certainly do not see Ireland’s petition as ‘supporting Palestinians’ beyond the obvious humanitarian context.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Bookmarked. There was me believing you had morals and ethics. South Africa’s baseless evidence is not sufficient so Ireland comes along and tries to change the very definition of the meaning of Genocide. Not only that. They want to do it after the fact of the trial already starting and evidence from both sides already submitted. 
 

you have the front to say well done Ireland. Sad.
 

The only country which is attempting to change the meaning of Genocide in the case. No wonder Israel is closing their embassy there. 

Well said.

 

Here's a response from the experts.

 

FDD Expert Response
“Israel is clearly not committing the crime of genocide, as defined by the 1948 genocide treaty. So now, both Ireland and Amnesty are seeking to create a new, bogus definition of genocide in order to find Israel guilty of it. In doing so, Ireland and Amnesty are proving that they are motivated by hatred of the Jewish state rather than by allegiance to the rule of law. They are also making a mockery of international law, the ICJ, the genocide treaty, and the victims of actual genocides.” — Orde Kittrie, Senior Fellow