"Flat Earther" finally admits the Earth isn't flat

[DD86]

In the old days of Copernicus, it was the Jesuit Order that backed him. If you know a little about those Jesuits, it is not hard to doubt that there is something fishy why they suddenly changed theit mind on the flat earth. Befor, you committed blasphemy if you denied the flat earth, Death was on you. Nowadays one might be called a traitor to the world for sustaining the flat earth theory?

People are easily influenced, look at religion, and are afraid to become paria's. The fact that flat earthers do not ridicule their opponents says in fact a lot. People with different ideas were always laughed at and even risked death.

Don't think for a minute that what you were told is the truth. No matter how much evidence there is aginst a moonlanding, people still believe it happened.

Yes, did it and you believe it then I have a bridge to sell to you.

Not to long ago this forum was dominated by the vaxxers and even though there is more and more solid prove that it is in fact a poison, many still believe it the jab and can't wait to get another death shot.

Silly people everywhere. Can call me silly, I don't care.

Sleep tide.

[DD86]

On 12/19/2024 at 10:24 AM, connda said:

I guess the guy could have spent the money on a trip on a low-orbit space tourism flight and figured it out too.

 

https://www.the-sun.com/tech/13116897/watch-flat-earther-admit-im-wrong/

WitsitCampanella is a shill indeed, a whit as well. He didn't provide a full blown anti proof.

Ans about the cost, wow a whole 30,000$. Divide that by probably a full airplane and you have a cheap trip. Don't forget that the elite powers (who control the Artic) don't want you to talk about a flat earth while the UN prove it in their Avatar.

[novacova]

On 12/19/2024 at 10:24 AM, connda said:

I guess the guy could have spent the money on a trip on a low-orbit space tourism flight and figured it out too.

Or just go outside on a clear day and observe the sky as the earth rotates eastward and take note that the sun is stationary while the earth is spinning in circles.

[rumak]

47 minutes ago, rumak said:

   I now understand how the staunch opposition on AN and elsewhere have difficulty following the so-called "anti vax narrative"  .  Why , it must be about as baffling as that video was to me . 

 

PS :   this is not me taking a "position"  on the subject ....... just claiming my ignorance at this point in time and leaving it till another time if/when i read up a bit .

I always just figured I was the center of the universe !   Pfffttt .   Found out there were millions who thought it was them .   

Oh boy....... millions of stars all sitting in chairs playing with this machine with a screen.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, rumak said:

He ALWAYS knows everything .....about everything. 

as opposed to what? the hordes on AN who know nothing about nothing? 

[rumak]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

as opposed to what? the hordes on AN who know nothing about nothing? 

 

hmmmm.   maybe could say he knows nothing about everything ?  😅

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

 

PS :   this is not me taking a "position"  on the subject ....... just claiming my ignorance at this point in time and leaving it till another time if/when i read up a bit .

I always just figured I was the center of the universe !   Pfffttt .   Found out there were millions who thought it was them .   

Oh boy....... millions of stars all sitting in chairs playing with this machine with a screen.

 

Indeed, my dear rumak, and I always appreciate your humility (a few people here would be well-advised to follow that example) and also your openness to alternative views, even if not necessarily convinced by them, always with a sharp wit and humour.

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, DD86 said:

In the old days of Copernicus, it was the Jesuit Order that backed him. If you know a little about those Jesuits, it is not hard to doubt that there is something fishy why they suddenly changed theit mind on the flat earth. Befor, you committed blasphemy if you denied the flat earth, Death was on you. Nowadays one might be called a traitor to the world for sustaining the flat earth theory?

People are easily influenced, look at religion, and are afraid to become paria's. The fact that flat earthers do not ridicule their opponents says in fact a lot. People with different ideas were always laughed at and even risked death.

Don't think for a minute that what you were told is the truth. No matter how much evidence there is aginst a moonlanding, people still believe it happened.

Yes, did it and you believe it then I have a bridge to sell to you.

Not to long ago this forum was dominated by the vaxxers and even though there is more and more solid prove that it is in fact a poison, many still believe it the jab and can't wait to get another death shot.

Silly people everywhere. Can call me silly, I don't care.

Sleep tide.

 

I knew there was a chance someone who actually knows what they are talking about might turn up 

 

You are absolutely correct about the historical and political context surrounding the switch to heliocentrism. It was politically and ideologically motivated, and "science" was subverted in order to achieve that goal. That's all. The pursuit of truth had nothing to do with it

 

I will likely get 10 laughing emojis for this post, and that is absolutely expected and normal.

 

Heliocentrism is a belief. A very deeply rooted one, too. In fact it is one of the first things a human learns after birth. Once a world view has been modelled on a belief, it becomes extremely difficult, I would say virtually impossible even, to break free from it and accept a challenge to it, regardless of how many absurdities and contradictions are presented (shoutout to @Tippaporn for helping me understand how fundamental this issue is).

 

There are several sources one can consult to learn about The Reformation, the Jesuits, Copernicus, paganism, sun-worshipping and the political endeavour to impose heliocentrism, however I will recommend the documentary Heliosorcery, which lays it all out clearly and factually.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, rumak said:

 

hmmmm.   maybe could say he knows nothing about everything ?  😅

 

Or everything about nothing?

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, DD86 said:

WitsitCampanella is a shill indeed, a whit as well. He didn't provide a full blown anti proof.

Ans about the cost, wow a whole 30,000$. Divide that by probably a full airplane and you have a cheap trip. Don't forget that the elite powers (who control the Artic) don't want you to talk about a flat earth while the UN prove it in their Avatar.

 

And we're not allowed to go to Antartica (but that is potentially for another thread, though the topics are related).

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, parallelman said:

I don't subsribe to Flat Earthand those that do will often deny a particular point without reason and some who have done experiements often debunk themselves. However, that isn't my point here. The Flat Earth 'Movement' membership is growing and one has to ask the question 'why?'

Even though the FE chap who admitted to seeing the '24 hour Sun' and being wrong one could tell from his attitude that he isn't going to leave the FE membership just yet. Phrases like '...don't believe me...' and '...someone [a FLat Earther] might work it out...' or words to that effect. Now some FE's are busy trying to use their 'dome' and "firmanent' ideas to show that a '24 hour Sun' is possible on a flat Earth by reflection, refraction and so on. However, I have yet to see a mathematical model on how that works.

When the so called 'Final Experiment' was announced many FE's began denying that they didn't subscribed to the FE model that most subscribed to before the announcement but never showing the alternative model that they did subcribe to.

Be that as it may, I did read an article earlier this year that it had been suggested that Flat Earth be taught at infant school in the UK (as an altenative view) and I understan that it is being considered. There are Flat Earth books for kids so I guess that's what they have in mind.

Imo it's the growing mistrust in many so called science papers that are partly to blame.

 

The core issue is the refutation of the heliocentric model, which is as absurd as it is impossible.

 

Accepting heliocentrism as unequivocal truth merely because some phenomenons have not been officially explained under another model is fallacious.

[rattlesnake]

7 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

In my experience of meeting people that express the belief that the earth is flat are more often than not evangelical christian or prone to the less conventional religious dogma.

Equally disappointing is that they will accept bogus narrative about the plight of penguins in the Arctic.

I have long concluded that education systems and/or religious illusory indoctrination have suppressed the intelligence of too many people even in the "superior west" .

 

Humans are susceptible to dogma and everything it entails, i.e. overaching principles and mantras edicted by trusted sources of truth, as well as vilification of dissenting opinions.

 

The switch from religion to science (and heliocentrism is possibly the key event in this process) was a switch from one dogma to another. It comes as no surprise that the vast majority of those who defend heliocentrism, in the two currently active threads on the topic, also have an open aversion to religion, to the point where the mere mention of the Bible will cause an immediate shutdown.

[RetiredNavy71]

Sounds like Trump's team is continuing to be on point.  Well done 

[save the frogs]

5 hours ago, rumak said:

 

hmmmm.   maybe could say he knows nothing about everything ?  😅

or everything about nothing. 

another permutation you hadn't considered.

and with lacessit, i wouldn't rule anything out. 

the guy has received threats on AN. that's a badge of honor. 

[rumak]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Or everything about nothing?

 

indeed......  vices and verses ,  emojis and curses ,  know-it-alls and wannabe nurses,

ALL brought to you , like a webs spider ,  mister pfeizzzzer   

[parallelman]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The core issue is the refutation of the heliocentric model, which is as absurd as it is impossible.

 

Accepting heliocentrism as unequivocal truth merely because some phenomenons have not been officially explained under another model is fallacious.

Those FE's I have spoken to told me that the Sun is only 5000 miles above which moves around the FE. The one thing about the Sun that we can all agree on is the apparent angular size as seen from the Earth (Globe or Flat). Now you work out the diameter of the FE Sun and tell me what is wrong with it.