Britain’s Sharia Courts and the Challenge of Religious Freedom

[MangoKorat]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In a thread dripping Islamophobia an antisemite shows up.

 

 

You clearly can't see the wood for the trees. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise a religion that dependent on the location, teaches hatred of all non-muslims and other muslim sects, jails and otherwise harms homosexuals, subjugates and in some cases, withdraws education and normal human rights from females. That is not Islamaphobic, its pro-equality and human rights.

 

Maybe you think stoning a woman accused of being unfaithful to death is OK?  Should that not be criticised?

 

In my opinion, the brand of Islam that promotes such extreme beliefs and behaviour, should be outlawed and stamped out. No religion or abnormal way of life, should be imposed on people.  That is not in fact, religion, its conditioning.

 

The brand of Islam applied throughout most of the UK's muslims is very closely related to the most extreme varieties that exist - that practised in Afghanistan for example.

 

If criticising such extremist behaviour is Islamaphobic - guilty as charged.

[Will B Good]

13 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Maybe you think stoning a woman accused of being unfaithful to death is OK?

 

The Bible does.

[MangoKorat]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

The Bible does.

Not a book I've read but I do posses one. Where does it say that?

[Will B Good]

15 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

The brand of Islam applied throughout most of the UK's muslims is very closely related to the most extreme varieties that exist

 

Is it.....seriously?

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Not a book I've read but I do posses one. Where does it say that?

 

 

Book of Deuteronomy 22:22–24

[MangoKorat]

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Book of Deuteronomy 22:22–24

Well for one, that is Old Testament - I'm not sure if many Christians either believe or follow that anymore than they believe much of what's in that book. It is also at odds with more modern Christian teachings. You might note though that the punishment applies to both men and women, not only women.

 

Whatever, the stoning of women deemed to have been unfaithful and gay people being thrown off high buidings is totally abhorent to most of the World's societies - as are many other extreme Islamic actions/teachings.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Well for one, that is Old Testament - I'm not sure if many Christians either believe or follow that anymore than they believe much of what's in that book. It is also at odds with more modern Christian teachings. You might note though that the punishment applies to both men and women, not only women.

 

Whatever, the stoning of women deemed to have been unfaithful and gay people being thrown off high buidings is totally abhorent to most of the World's societies - as are many other extreme Islamic actions/teachings.

 

 

Whatever, the stoning of women deemed to have been unfaithful and gay people being thrown off high buidings is totally abhorent to most of the World's societies - as are many other extreme Islamic actions/teachings.

 

Could not agree more.

[zmisha]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Whatever, the stoning of women deemed to have been unfaithful and gay people being thrown off high buidings is totally abhorent to most of the World's societies - as are many other extreme Islamic actions/teachings.

 

Could not agree more.

If you don`t like stoning, women will get bored after the first year of marriage and will look for adventures. And, finally, they leave and take your only child with them. Sad but typical story of depopulation of whites.

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, zmisha said:

If you don`t like stoning, women will get bored after the first year of marriage and will look for adventures. And, finally, they leave and take your only child with them. Sad but typical story of depopulation of whites.

 

Are you from Middlesbrough?

[Mr Meeseeks]

On 12/24/2024 at 6:38 AM, wavodavo said:

That's what happens when you have open borders and have no control over who comes in. You have just look at the mess the U.S. is in with illegal aliens. Lucky they have got Trump to sort them out now .There is nothing wrong with immigrants coming in but they have to come in through the front door and be assessed first and the numbers regulated.

 

There is everything wrong with immigrants coming in.

 

Close the borders.

[Mr Meeseeks]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:44 AM, Hamus Yaigh said:

Sharia law for civil matters has been used in many Muslim communities around the world such as the US and European countries for a long time.

 

It has no place in Western society and should be banned.

[cjinchiangrai]

21 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

It has no place in Western society and should be banned.

Only for voluntary arbitration. Sharia law has never been supported by an American court. It is explicitly banned by the 1st amendment to the constitution.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

Maybe you think stoning a woman accused of being unfaithful to death is OK?  Should that not be criticised?

I’m not sure when the last time a woman was stoned to death I the UK but I’m quite certain that if ever happened it wasn’t Muslims doing the stoning.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, zmisha said:

If you don`t like stoning, women will get bored after the first year of marriage and will look for adventures. And, finally, they leave and take your only child with them. Sad but typical story of depopulation of whites.

This isn’t the Dear Deardre page, but thank you for sharing.

 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure when the last time a woman was stoned to death I the UK but I’m quite certain that if ever happened it wasn’t Muslims doing the stoning.

 

Where is the clause about stoning men to death? Then they might have an argument. Not a good one but equitable at least.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Well for one, that is Old Testament - I'm not sure if many Christians either believe or follow that anymore than they believe much of what's in that book. It is also at odds with more modern Christian teachings. You might note though that the punishment applies to both men and women, not only women.

 

Whatever, the stoning of women deemed to have been unfaithful and gay people being thrown off high buidings is totally abhorent to most of the World's societies - as are many other extreme Islamic actions/teachings.

When did any of that happen in the UK?

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Where is the clause about stoning men to death? Then they might have an argument. Not a good one but equitable at least.

Leviticus 20:10 (NIV):

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Where is the clause about stoning men to death? Then they might have an argument. Not a good one but equitable at least.

 

Where is the clause in British law that states anything in any religious ruling supersedes British law?

 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Leviticus 20:10 (NIV):

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Then it must be applied equitably. Start killing men for adultery and watch the laws change fast.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Then it must be applied equitably. Start killing men for adultery and watch the laws change fast.

There is no death penalty for adulatory in British law, regardless of the gender of the adulterer.

 

If there ever was then that law has been changed.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is no death penalty for adulatory in British law, regardless of the gender of the adulterer.

 

If there ever was then that law has been changed.

As it should be. I have no tolerance for Sharia or Cannon law. The lack of equal justice should absolutely disqualify them. How prevalent is it in reality though? I can see vigilantly enforcement but there can't be any actual legal authority there. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

As it should be. I have no tolerance for Sharia or Cannon law. The lack of equal justice should absolutely disqualify them. How prevalent is it in reality though? I can see vigilantly enforcement but there can't be any actual legal authority there. 

Non of the various ‘religious courts’ hold any legal authority.

 

There is only one law, the law of the land.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

As it should be. I have no tolerance for Sharia or Cannon law. The lack of equal justice should absolutely disqualify them. How prevalent is it in reality though? I can see vigilantly enforcement but there can't be any actual legal authority there. 

Correct, no legal authority but as the evidence shows, the consequences of their decisions can have extremely abusive repercussions especially for women and children. Whether legal or not. Absolutely no place for that in the UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

Either allow all ‘religious courts’ or none at all.

 

The policy of allowing all, while denying all any legal authority is both sensible and equitable.

 

And it’s definitely not confusing.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Either allow all ‘religious courts’ or none at all.

 

The policy of allowing all, while denying all any legal authority is both sensible and equitable.

 

 

This is about Sharia Courts though, this is not about any other religions in the UK. Its about Sharia courts and the evidence of their abusive practices towards women and children that have no place in the UK. Abuse is not sensible or equitable. Ever!

[Chomper Higgot]

Article 9 of the European Convention of Human Rights, to which the UK is a signatory, protects the adherence of all people within the UK to the religion and their religious practices of their choice, just as it protects all people in the UK to leave or not follow any religion or religious practice.

The permitting of all ‘religious courts’ while denying them all legal authority is entirely consistent with Article 9.

 

Sensible, equitable and pragmatic.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Article 9 of the European Convention of Human Rights, to which the UK is a signatory, protects the adherence of all people within the UK to the religion and their religious practices of their choice, just as it protects all people in the UK to leave or not follow any religion or religious practice.

The permitting of all ‘religious courts’ while denying them all legal authority is entirely consistent with Article 9.

 

Sensible, equitable and pragmatic.

 

 

More off topic diversion

 

Are other religions in the UK holding courts that also dish out abusive decisions for women and children? 

[cjinchiangrai]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More off topic diversion

 

Are other religions in the UK holding courts that also dish out abusive decisions for women and children? 

The Catholic and Anglican courts were rolled into the Statute court system long ago. The Catholics still hold Cannon law courts in Italy though, much to the delight of many pedophiles.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

The Catholic and Anglican courts were rolled into the Statute court system long ago. The Catholics still hold Cannon law courts in Italy though, much to the delight of many pedophiles.

That would be Italy and is almost certainly a misrepresentation of reality.

 

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The Catholic and Anglican courts were rolled into the Statute court system long ago. The Catholics still hold Cannon law courts in Italy though, much to the delight of many pedophiles.

Indeed, fortunately not in the UK and another topic altogether. 

 

Regards Sharia, this says it all:

 

"But this pressure from Sharia councils and the community they serve is causing suffering – Islamic rulings are not always in the interests of women and can run counter to British law."

Telegraph https://archive.ph/WCvhJ

 

We are fortunate to live in a democracy which enshrines the principle of equality before the law and is committed to the promotion of gender equality.

However, there are increasing concerns that many women and girls in this country today are suffering from systematic religiously-sanctioned gender discrimination, with particular reference to the application of Sharia law operating as a parallel quasi-legal system.

“There is evidence of women being ‘divorced’ under Sharia law and left in penury, wives who are forced to return to abusive relationships because Sharia councils say a husband has a right to ‘chastise’, and Sharia councils giving the testimony of a woman only half the weight of the testimony of a man”

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/68996/html/