Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on

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2 hours ago, G_Money said:

Unbelievable!  Simply unbelievable what exists in the leftists minds as logic in the modern world.

From non U.S. citizens to boot.

 

Instead of applying any kind of logic to address my comment comment you just offer an empty characterization. You've got nothing.

And an empty and irrelevant claim about my nationality to boot.

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2 hours ago, G_Money said:

Have you tried to increase your vocabulary to include more than “you’ve got nothing “.

 

Or is it because YOU HAVE NOTHING?

So long as you keep on coming up with comments that are devoid of reasoning or evidence, "you've got nothing" will continue to accurately characterize them.

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2 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

So you weren't on team Biden is fit and mentally OK. You're not a Trump is going to jail guy ? I could go on but your comment history is public. 

 

Please you just look strange now. 

I was on the team with denied that Biden was suffering from dementia. I'm still on that team.

[G_Money]

54 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Instead of applying any kind of logic to address my comment comment you just offer an empty characterization. You've got nothing.

And an empty and irrelevant claim about my nationality to boot.

Pot calling the kettle black.

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1 minute ago, G_Money said:

Pot calling the kettle black.

When I was a little kid, I thought was the height of wit to say I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

And once again you've got nothing. Take the case of jippy tone who claimed that immigration was okay as long as it was legal. That was his claim. I pointed out that just because something is legal doesn't make it okay. In this case I was using something called reasoning. Your critique of my reasoning just consisted of  insult and empty characterization. No it's him I had logical argument was made by you.name c You never offered any counter argument about why being legal in itself justifies a policy. To date, you've still offered nothing. Apparently, nothing is one thing you've got plenty of. And to your credit, you keep on generously sharing that nothing with the rest of us.

[G_Money]

48 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So long as you keep on coming up with comments that are devoid of reasoning or evidence, "you've got nothing" will continue to accurately characterize them.

So you must of thought of “you have nothing “ during your extended period away from the forum immediately following Trump’s landslide victory in the 2024 election.  You certainly had plenty of time to think of it.

 

Your predictions gone terribly wrong and the loss of face can be devastating.  It’s still obvious to anyone reading your posts that you have not and most likely will not recover.  

Why would a non U.S. citizen burden himself with all that unnecessary stress?

 

 

 

[mikebike]

So H1B visas are indispensable to the tech industry and Mr. Musk, 45, and Vivek will "fight to the death" over this issue...

 

What about uneducated farm workers? I'm pretty sure they are indispensable to their industry as well... But farm workers are are just uneducated illegal aliens who need to be deported, whereas engineers aand programmers are special cases because why? Oh yeah, because my industry needs them... <deleted> your industry, they're dirty criminals, my immigrants are good folks because I can exploit their labour. Farmers don't need to exploit labour like tech does 😂😂😂😂

[G_Money]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When I was a little kid, I thought was the height of wit to say I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

And once again you've got nothing. Take the case of jippy tone who claimed that immigration was okay as long as it was legal. That was his claim. I pointed out that just because something is legal doesn't make it okay. In this case I was using something called reasoning. Your critique of my reasoning just consisted of  insult and empty characterization. No it's him I had logical argument was made by you.name c You never offered any counter argument about why being legal in itself justifies a policy. To date, you've still offered nothing. Apparently, nothing is one thing you've got plenty of. And to your credit, you keep on generously sharing that nothing with the rest of us.

Ugh, Ok!  
 

So legal isn’t legal in the world in which you exist?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, mikebike said:

So H1B visas are indispensable to the tech industry and Mr. Musk, 45, and Vivek will "fight to the death" over this issue...

 

What about uneducated farm workers? I'm pretty sure they are indispensable to their industry as well... But farm workers are are just uneducated illegal aliens who need to be deported, whereas engineers aand programmers are special cases because why? Oh yeah, because my industry needs them... <deleted> your industry, they're dirty criminals, my immigrants are good folks because I can exploit their labour. Farmers don't need to exploit labour like tech does 😂😂😂😂

If a little cynicism is applied then cheap and competent developers to advance AI then naturally the increased automation of farming and the elimination of the uneducated surely is logical . No doubt there is an Grok algorithm generated in support?

US farming is set to be knobbled by export reductions anyway. Perhaps Musk will benefit by scooping increased compensatory subsidies for Ag R&D on burger pattie farms in lab meat factories ?

 

 

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"In a 2016 primary debate, Trump spoke about the H-1B visa program and said it was “very bad” and “unfair” for U.S. workers.

“First of all, I think and I know the H-1B very well. And it’s something that I frankly use and I shouldn’t be allowed to use it. We shouldn’t have it,” he said."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-truth-social-business-visa-h1b-51c5a41faff696709a2d2cc6ec4e2695

 

Trump sides with Elon Musk in H-1B visa debate, says he's always been in favor of the program

 "I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program," he was quoted as saying."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-vows-war-over-h-1b-visa-program-amid-rift-with-some-trump-supporters-2024-12-28/

 

Apparently, Trump has always been a believer in a program he believed he shouldn't be allowed to use.

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4 hours ago, G_Money said:

As I stated before.  It’s not an insult.  It’s a fact.

Yes G we all know you mistake facts for whatever you think is right. You don't care about facts. In FACT, you hate FACTs that don't suit you.

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3 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Yes G we all know you mistake facts for whatever you think is right. You don't care about facts. In FACT, you hate FACTs that don't suit you.

The same as a few repetitive "I'm always right and you are wrong brigade".  To them the word "facts" acts like "<deleted> off" to them!

[bubblegum]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

"In a 2016 primary debate, Trump spoke about the H-1B visa program and said it was “very bad” and “unfair” for U.S. workers.

“First of all, I think and I know the H-1B very well. And it’s something that I frankly use and I shouldn’t be allowed to use it. We shouldn’t have it,” he said."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-truth-social-business-visa-h1b-51c5a41faff696709a2d2cc6ec4e2695

 

Trump sides with Elon Musk in H-1B visa debate, says he's always been in favor of the program

 "I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program," he was quoted as saying."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-vows-war-over-h-1b-visa-program-amid-rift-with-some-trump-supporters-2024-12-28/

 

Apparently, Trump has always been a believer in a program he believed he shouldn't be allowed to use.

Trump is a sailing boat.

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3 hours ago, G_Money said:

Ugh, Ok!  
 

So legal isn’t legal in the world in which you exist?

 

 

The question you should be pondering is if some practice is legal does does that make it moral and or ethical? It used to be legal to own slaves. Does that mean it was morally or ethically correct? Don't look to Donald Trump for guidance. He says he's a believer n the H-b1 program, that he used it many times, and he also believed that he shouldn't be allowed to use it.

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Yes G we all know you mistake facts for whatever you think is right. You don't care about facts. In FACT, you hate FACTs that don't suit you.

What facts are you specifically talking about?

 

[G_Money]

37 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The question you should be pondering is if some practice is legal does does that make it moral and or ethical? It used to be legal to own slaves. Does that mean it was morally or ethically correct? Don't look to Donald Trump for guidance. He says he's a believer n the H-b1 program, that he used it many times, and he also believed that he shouldn't be allowed to use it.

How does the H1B program affect you, specifically?  As a non tax paying, non U.S. citizen.

 

The H1B program is a legal system for legs non immigrants.

 

Unlike Biden’s policies to open the border gates and let everyone enter 

 

It quite clear you can’t see the difference.

 

Doesn't your home country have issues you can express your leftist beliefs on?

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

"In a 2016 primary debate, Trump spoke about the H-1B visa program and said it was “very bad” and “unfair” for U.S. workers.

“First of all, I think and I know the H-1B very well. And it’s something that I frankly use and I shouldn’t be allowed to use it. We shouldn’t have it,” he said."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-truth-social-business-visa-h1b-51c5a41faff696709a2d2cc6ec4e2695

 

Trump sides with Elon Musk in H-1B visa debate, says he's always been in favor of the program

 "I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program," he was quoted as saying."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-vows-war-over-h-1b-visa-program-amid-rift-with-some-trump-supporters-2024-12-28/

 

Apparently, Trump has always been a believer in a program he believed he shouldn't be allowed to use.

And Biden repeatedly said he would not pardon his son.  Remember that one?

 

We all know how turned out,

 

Without even fact checking what you claim, I’ll go with the less of the two evils and support Trump changing his mind vs Biden pardoning his son.

 

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Trump is a sailing boat.

Sailing off to make America Great Again.

How romantic!

 

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1 hour ago, G_Money said:

How does the H1B program affect you, specifically?  As a non tax paying, non U.S. citizen.

 

The H1B program is a legal system for legs non immigrants.

 

Unlike Biden’s policies to open the border gates and let everyone enter 

 

It quite clear you can’t see the difference.

 

Doesn't your home country have issues you can express your leftist beliefs on?

More nonsense about my alleged nationality. Ignorance and obtuseness have nothing to do with nationality. 

What don't you understand about the simple proposition act that just because something is legal that doesn't make it justifiable? Or do you think that all the various programs and practices enabled by laws passed in the first 2 years of the Biden administration are justifiable because they are legal?

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53 minutes ago, G_Money said:

And Biden repeatedly said he would not pardon his son.  Remember that one?

 

We all know how turned out,

 

Without even fact checking what you claim, I’ll go with the less of the two evils and support Trump changing his mind vs Biden pardoning his son.

 

The lesser of 2 evils. It used to be that Trump thought a program wrong that affected hundreds of thousands. Yet something that's less serious than Biden reneging on his promise? A promise that affects one person? It isn't only young Americans who haven't been properly educated in arithmetic.

[G_Money]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

More nonsense about my alleged nationality. Ignorance and obtuseness have nothing to do with nationality. 

What don't you understand about the simple proposition act that just because something is legal that doesn't make it justifiable? Or do you think that all the various programs and practices enabled by laws passed in the first 2 years of the Biden administration are justifiable because they are legal?

 
FFS, wouldn’t it be easier just to give a direct answer to my direct question instead of deflecting with your usual incoherent gibberish?

[G_Money]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The lesser of 2 evils. It used to be that Trump thought a program wrong that affected hundreds of thousands. Yet something that's less serious than Biden reneging on his promise? A promise that affects one person? It isn't only young Americans who haven't been properly educated in arithmetic.

Last time I checked H1B’s weren’t convicted criminals.

 

Did you forget that simple fact about Biden’s son?  Appears you have.

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7 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 
FFS, wouldn’t it be easier just to give a direct answer to my direct question instead of deflecting with your usual incoherent gibberish?

If you're referring to the question that contains an assumption about my nationality...

First off, it's facts and rationality offered by someone that count. Not nationality. 

In addition, your question features the same kind of faulty thinking that underlines this famous example of a faulty question: When did you stop beating your wife? You seem to have a predilection for faulty thinking.

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If you're referring to the question that contains an assumption about my nationality...

First off, it's facts and rationality offered by someone that count. Not nationality. 

In addition, your question features the same kind of faulty thinking that underlines this famous example of a faulty question: When did you stop beating your wife? You seem to have a predilection for faulty thinking.

You have explained nothing with your usual nonsense.

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9 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Last time I checked H1B’s weren’t convicted criminals.

 

Did you forget that simple fact about Biden’s son?  Appears you have.

Donald Trump claimed that this legal program hurt hundreds of thousands of American workers. I guess to your way of thinking the alleged dismal economic fate of those Americans is of little importance compared to the criminal conduct of 1 person. I think your indifference to the economic well-being of American workers provides pretty strong evidence that you are not an American. Certainly not a patriotic one. Of course, that wouldn't matter if your arguments were germane. But all you've got is that because the H-1b program is legal, therefore it's OK no matter how many American workers it may harm.

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1 minute ago, G_Money said:

You have explained nothing with your usual nonsense.

And as usual you have offered no analysis, just an empty assertion. You've still got it...it being nothing.

[G_Money]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Donald Trump claimed that this legal program hurt hundreds of thousands of American workers. I guess to your way of thinking the alleged dismal economic fate of those Americans is of little importance compared to the criminal conduct of 1 person. I think your indifference to the economic well-being of American workers provides pretty strong evidence that you are not an American. Certainly not a patriotic one. Of course, that wouldn't matter if your arguments were germane. But all you've got is that because the H-1b program is legal, therefore it's OK no matter how many American workers it may harm.

 

The U.S. government implemented the H1B program for a reason.  If applicants pass the requirements and the quotas are available provided they are sponsored they work in fields they applied for.

 

Why was the H1B program implemented?

 

Try to give a direct answers without deflecting into mumbo jumbo.

 

Why is this program such a big issue for you, a non U.S. citizen now and never before?

Answer.  A disgruntled Trump hater has nothing left to complain about since losing the election in a landslide so it’s time to make a mountain out of a ant hill over a legal non immigrant program called H1B.

 

Where was your concern and zealot behavior when Biden was allowing ILLEGAL aliens into the my country (not yours) by the millions completely unvetted ?

 

[G_Money]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And as usual you have offered no analysis, just an empty assertion. You've still got it...it being nothing.

You have failed miserably to answer any direct question.

 

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8 hours ago, G_Money said:

So, according to your leftist mind any disagreement between party members is now classified as a war.

 

If that’s the case the Biden/Harris team and their staff has been at “war” for the past 4 years minimum. Add another 8 for the Obama /Biden cluster Fuc-.  “Leave it to Joe to Fuc- things up”.

To quote your fellow leftist Placeholder “You have nothing “.

 

Once again thank you for reconfirming the correlation of your display name and the void above your shoulders.

 

 

 

 

Around the time I was 11 or 12, I remember being introduced in school to a word by the name of "metaphor".Although even without knowledge of that word, only the most obtuse schoolchild would construe literally the phrase ""civil war"in the context it was used above.  Looks like it's time for you to hit the books again.

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9 minutes ago, G_Money said:

You have failed miserably to answer any direct question.

 

Namely?