Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[John Drake]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Too many fires in separate locations to not think this is deliberate. Of course poor fuel load management and preparation have played a large role in the spread of the fires.

 

 

If deliberate, who is setting them? Any news or ideas?

[John Drake]

100 percent of "disaster response?" Wonder how that breaks down.  And for the next 6 months? Can Biden direct the federal response to continue as he wants after he is out of office?

 

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President Biden announced Thursday that for the next six months, the federal government will pay for 100% of the disaster response costs from the wildfires destroying neighborhoods across the greater Los Angeles area.  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wildfires-biden-los-angeles/

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

 

If deliberate, who is setting them? Any news or ideas?

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

[riclag]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

They use buckets but. Not much else. The salt water would rot the equipment.

I had a second home on the island 

of Aruba ! They used a desalinization process of ocean water ,that sounds like it would solve that problem.

[John Drake]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

 

I'm inclined to agree with your suspicions, and I'm seeing all sorts of claims on X about foreign gangs setting fires and then looting. I just want some agency that is credible to lay out the scenario.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The majority of the Great Lakes surface area are in the USA we don't have to ask Canada. Probably time to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America to remind some folks what's up.

Tad far to export water from the Great Lakes to California, and a problem with a few hills in the way.

You do know this is a thread about California, I hope.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

100 percent of "disaster response?" Wonder how that breaks down.  And for the next 6 months? Can Biden direct the federal response to continue as he wants after he is out of office?

 

 

Biden being generous with other people's money. The poor people of Louisiana could have done with Biden being in charge when they had a bit of a problem.

 

BTW, if it is found that the government of California is culpable in the lack of preparation, will they still get other people's money?

[John Drake]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW, if it is found that the government of California is culpable in the lack of preparation, will they still get other people's money?

 

Good question. How much prepositioning was in place? I don't want to read cut and paste jobs from gavinnewsomdotcom trying to explain away ill preparedness. However bad this fire was going to be, preparation could have mitigated some things. If nowhere else, at least around the edges.  The below National Weather Service alert went out a day before the fires began.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, John Drake said:

 

Good question. How much prepositioning was in place? I don't want to read cut and paste jobs from gavinnewsomdotcom trying to explain away ill preparedness. However bad this fire was going to be, preparation could have mitigated some things. If nowhere else, at least around the edges.  The below National Weather Service alert went out a day before the fires began.

 

I read somewhere that the undergrowth was not permitted to be cleared, or wasn't cleared. If that is true, then whomever issued those regulations might as well have used a flame thrower to burn all the houses. IMO.

[John Drake]

The National Weather Service was on top of this situation from the beginning. They began issuing alerts a week before the fire, and their alerts continued to escalate until the fire broke out. How did the state and the city respond to these alerts?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

37 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I'm inclined to agree with your suspicions, and I'm seeing all sorts of claims on X about foreign gangs setting fires and then looting. I just want some agency that is credible to lay out the scenario.

Reports of many looters being arrested.

[jerrymahoney]

This is the one of personal interest to me -- looking better:

Sunset fire 100% contained, evacuation orders lifted in Hollywood

Jan. 9, 2025 Updated 10:46 PM PT

Los Angeles firefighters reached 100% containment on the Sunset fire Thursday, which had triggered mandatory evacuation orders and massive traffic jams in Hollywood and the Hollywood Hills late Wednesday.

“It’s a miracle that no homes burned here,” one firefighter told The Times on Wednesday evening. Hours earlier, the flames had approached the mansions that line North Curson Avenue. By 10:30 p.m., flames were barely visible on the distant hillside.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/firefighters-make-big-gains-battling-sunset-fire-which-forced-evacuations-in-hollywood

[oxo1947]

wrong forum----sorry----

[jimmybcool]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

 

I hate conspiracies and will await investigation.  But I agree the number of fires starting at once is very suspect.  They are looking into the sources.