The Troubling Decline of DEI: A Step Backward for America

[WDSmart]

18 minutes ago, novacova said:

As opposed to the most qualified? What you just described is hiring people who are less qualified, aren’t you aware that the Equal Protection Clause is to prevent such discrimination and the contradictory hypocrisy you’re in? Maybe one day you’ll have an epiphany as Thomas Sowell did and snap out of the Marxist delusions 

To me, the "most qualified" means the applicant who meets most of the qualifications. If DEI is considered among the qualifications, in other words, if the applicant will help improve your DEI, then that should be considered. 

I've never heard of Thomas Sowell, and did look him up online. He is described as a neo-Nazi. That would be about as far from Marxism as you can get. You can read more about them here: Fascism vs. Marxism - What's the Difference? | This vs. That 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Why? Because I think what is best for the community is more important than what is best for the individual. That's the difference between socialism and capitalism - thinking about what is best for "we" rather than just "me." 

I think what's best for 'we' is to keep 'them' out.

All the best/successful cultures are 99.9% homogenous.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

It means the DEI of your workforce should be included in the considerations when choosing a person to hire. Examples of other  considerations are:
- skills

- education
- experience

- salary expectations

- recommendations
- etc...

 

You just said the same thing over again. 

 

What does "...recommended to be one of the considerations." mean?  

 

Does when considering an applicant, does the applicant get extra points for being from one group or another?

 

That's how one typically considers:  

- skills

- education
- experience

- salary expectations

- recommendations
- etc...

Points for each. 

 

 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I think what's best for 'we' is to keep 'them' out.

All the best/successful cultures are 99.9% homogenous.

That might have been the case historically, but in the present, most countries are thoroughly mixed. Certainly, the UK and the US are.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

To me, the "most qualified" means the applicant who meets most of the qualifications. If DEI is considered among the qualifications, in other words, if the applicant will help improve your DEI, then that should be considered. 

I've never heard of Thomas Sowell, and did look him up online. He is described as a neo-Nazi. That would be about as far from Marxism as you can get. You can read more about them here: Fascism vs. Marxism - What's the Difference? | This vs. That 

You're taking the piss, yes? Where did you read that Sowell was a neo-Nazi?

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You just said the same thing over again. 

 

What does "...recommended to be one of the considerations." mean?  

 

Does when considering an applicant, does the applicant get extra points for being from one group or another?

 

That's how one typically considers:  

- skills

- education
- experience

- salary expectations

- recommendations
- etc...

Points for each. 

 

 

I don't know why you don't understand what I am saying. DEI is one of the considerations. It is considered during the evaluation process of the applicants. If I were an employer, it would be one of the last things I considered. For example, if I had a number of candidates that met all the requirements and I had to decide between them, I would then consider how their hire would affect my business' DEI. If there were one candidate who stood out from all the others, I would hire them even if they did not increase my DEI.

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're taking the piss, yes? Where did you read that Sowell was a neo-Nazi?

Oh, my mistake; I searched for "Thomas Sewell." Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi) - Wikipedia
 

I see Thomas Sowell is an American economist. Thomas Sowell - Wikipedia But I didn't read much about him. He is not of any interest to me (although if he did, he would affect the DEI of my topics of interest.
 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't know why you don't understand what I am saying. DEI is one of the considerations. It is considered during the evaluation process of the applicants. If I were an employer, it would be one of the last things I considered. For example, if I had a number of candidates that met all the requirements and I had to decide between them, I would then consider how their hire would affect my business' DEI. If there were one candidate who stood out from all the others, I would hire them even if they did not increase my DEI.

So you would favor one race over another, that's what I thought. 

 

How does one measure their company's DEI? 

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So you would favor one race over another, that's what I thought. 

 

How does one measure their company's DEI? 

I would favor one race over another if all other qualities were basically the same and if my existing DEI were lacking. 

Here are nine ways suggested to measure DEI: 9 Ways to Measure the Success of Your DEI Strategy in 2023 - Senior Executive

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I would favor one race over another if all other qualities were basically the same and if my existing DEI were lacking. 

Here are nine ways suggested to measure DEI: 9 Ways to Measure the Success of Your DEI Strategy in 2023 - Senior Executive

How does one measure their company's DEI? 

[WDSmart]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How does one measure their company's DEI? 

To measure DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion), you can use the following methods¹²³⁴⁵:

• Track the dollars allocated to DEI initiatives and programs¹
• Measure the number and percentage of diverse employees across the organization and in leadership positions¹²³⁴⁵
• Analyze the retention levels and turnover rates by employee groups¹²⁴⁵
• Conduct diversity and inclusion surveys to collect employee feedback and experience¹³⁴⁵
• Evaluate the number and impact of mentorship programs, DEI training, incident reports, and employee resource groups¹²⁵

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

To measure DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion), you can use the following methods¹²³⁴⁵:

• Track the dollars allocated to DEI initiatives and programs¹
• Measure the number and percentage of diverse employees across the organization and in leadership positions¹²³⁴⁵
• Analyze the retention levels and turnover rates by employee groups¹²⁴⁵
• Conduct diversity and inclusion surveys to collect employee feedback and experience¹³⁴⁵
• Evaluate the number and impact of mentorship programs, DEI training, incident reports, and employee resource groups¹²⁵

So you don't know, I thought not.

 

So quotas and affirmative action, that's what I thought. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, theblether said:

 

That's because you genuinely believe that Trump supporters are dumb. 

 

There is zero space in your mind that they may have a point and you are wrong. 

 

We'll know within a year if you or they are correct. 

IMO history is on my side, seeing what happened in his first term, and subsequently.

 

America used to make quality goods that were sought all over the world. Then bean counters and venal politicians took the jobs overseas.

 

There are about 25-30% of Americans, rusted-on Trump supporters, who genuinely are as dumb as a can of soup. Worshippers at an altar. The voters who got him over the line have been conned by his promises. And the demonization of Harris.

 

I can't see how cutting taxes for the rich and raising tariff walls is going to help the ordinary American with living costs. The last time Trump put tariffs on China, the CCP's retaliation meant massive subsidies were needed, to bail out American farmers.

 

Trump is threatening tariffs against China, Japan and the UK. Combined, they have $2.5 trillion of US debt. When the rest of the world stops accepting the US can print money indefinitely, kicking the can down the road, the house of cards will collapse. Apologies for the mixed metaphor.

 

Trump is appointing people to key positions on one attribute only - absolute loyalty. Competence and integrity are not deemed necessary.

 

You're right, we will know within a year. I don't see the leopard changing his spots.

 

Trump has totally polarized Americans. He will polarize them further if he carries out his promise to pardon the Jan 6 insurrectionists.

 

IMO America is <deleted>.

 

 

[WDSmart]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So you don't know, I thought not.

 

So quotas and affirmative action, that's what I thought. 

No, I'm not an expert in DEI measurements. I support it because I support its intentions, which are to increase diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workforce. That's what I think. 

[novacova]

47 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

To me, the "most qualified" means the applicant who meets most of the qualifications. If DEI is considered among the qualifications, in other words, if the applicant will help improve your DEI, then that should be considered. 

An utter joke. During my late career, if one didn’t meet all of the qualifications then they couldn’t even submit an application. It’s safe to assume that you are completely naive and innocent minded and certainly don’t know what’s going on in the world. 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

No, I'm not an expert in DEI measurements. I support it because I support its intentions, which are to increase diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workforce. That's what I think. 

Clearly, but as long as it sounds good, and it makes you feel morally superior that's all that matters. 

 

You earlier said: "DEI is unlike its predecessor, Affirmative Action, which compelled employers to comply with the threat of loss of government contracts.", but that's exactly what it is. 

[WDSmart]

45 minutes ago, novacova said:

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

To me, the "most qualified" means the applicant who meets most of the qualifications. If DEI is considered among the qualifications, in other words, if the applicant will help improve your DEI, then that should be considered. 

An utter joke. During my late career, if one didn’t meet all of the qualifications then they couldn’t even submit an application. It’s safe to assume that you are completely naive and innocent minded and certainly don’t know what’s going on in the world. 

My error... Above, I should have said, "...BEST meets the qualifications. DEI is not actually a qualification. It is a consideration. I hope you understand the difference between those two terms. 

 

[WDSmart]

44 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Clearly, but as long as it sounds good, and it makes you feel morally superior that's all that matters. 

 

You earlier said: "DEI is unlike its predecessor, Affirmative Action, which compelled employers to comply with the threat of loss of government contracts.", but that's exactly what it is. 

I do feel morally superior to those who reject DEI. 

No, DEI is not like Affirmative Action (which I also supported) because there are no official penalties associated with DEI. The only penalties are those imposed by the general public if they think your business is purposefully not diverse, is not concerned with equity, or is not inclusive. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I do feel morally superior to those who reject DEI. 

No, DEI is not like Affirmative Action (which I also supported) because there are no official penalties associated with DEI. The only penalties are those imposed by the general public if they think your business is purposefully not diverse, is not concerned with equity, or is not inclusive. 

Just unofficial penalties from the morally superior, got it. 

 

 

[WDSmart]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Just unofficial penalties from the morally superior, got it. 

 

 

Yes, from reading your comments for many years now, I'm sure you do suffer penalties from people who are feel morally superior to you. In your case, that's very easy to do. 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, from reading your comments for many years now, I'm sure you do suffer penalties from people who are feel morally superior to you. In your case, that's very easy to do. 

You have not been reading my comments for many years, but yeah, you lefties all feel morally superior.

 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I do feel morally superior to those who reject DEI

Then you are clearly delusional

[theblether]

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

To me, the "most qualified" means the applicant who meets most of the qualifications. If DEI is considered among the qualifications, in other words, if the applicant will help improve your DEI, then that should be considered. 

I've never heard of Thomas Sowell, and did look him up online. He is described as a neo-Nazi. That would be about as far from Marxism as you can get. You can read more about them here: Fascism vs. Marxism - What's the Difference? | This vs. That 

 

An utter disgrace of a comment. You have just described one of the greatest African-American thinkers of the last 100 years as a neo-Nazi. 

 

That tells me two things about you - your lack of intellectual curiosity to investigate the man, and the type of filth you are prepared to believe. 

 

Shameful, shameful post.  

[theblether]

Thomas Sowell is fundamentally a Martin Luther King generation Republican - or as the modern day left wingers as a "neo-Nazi." 

 

On the eve of the trial of P'Diddy, the issues that Dowell discusses here have never neem more relevant. And if you think that Sowell is a neo-Nazi, you'll be disappointed to hear that other prominent African-Americans such as 50 Cent and Ice Cube agree with his assessment. Modern day black culture is drowning all that was good in the community. 

 

 

[theblether]

 

[theblether]