Tax files

[JBChiangRai]

47 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

They will never check that you made a tax return at immigration a standard thing.  

I think it highly likely that the TRD will notify Immigration with a “Limit” order when they identify someone who should be paying tax and have had no response to their requests, likewise you may be put on a no fly/no exit notice too.

 

The whole information system is integrated under Thailand 4.0 and can be considered as one large system.  If a Thai official has the authority, he can see everything about anyone.

 

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Our clairvoyant is speaking 👏🤗

 

Clearly, I need to spell it out for you.

 

It's quite simple.  There is no need to file a tax return if no tax is due.  So Immigration won't check as a standard thing. Don't cut my quote and change the meaning.

[kingstonkid]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:21 PM, newbee2022 said:

That's wrong what you write. The tax office accept eg your bank statement in Thai or English.

A certified translation of supporting documents is not required.

sounds like I am going to have to print out my bank statement every month going forward

 

As to last year have to go to KK bank to get it as online will only give me 6 months

[Hepbub]

I have just read through all the threads on this topic and am still confused. I have a state pension in UK which is slightly higher than the allownce, so pay tax in UK (not a lot). I do not send my pension here only now band then when i need money, but could argue that the money I send is from previous savings, which my pension just tops up. I have worked out how much I have remitted to Thailand even includingthe ATM with drawals. The final figure, after taking into account all of the allowances, is way below the amount where I would have to pay tax. Should I file a tax return?

[oldcpu]

7 minutes ago, Hepbub said:

I have just read through all the threads on this topic and am still confused. I have a state pension in UK which is slightly higher than the allownce, so pay tax in UK (not a lot). I do not send my pension here only now band then when i need money, but could argue that the money I send is from previous savings, which my pension just tops up.

 

The savings must all come before 1-Jan-2024.  Topping up does not increase that pre-1-Jan-2024 amount.

 

But if you can prove that the money you brought into Thailand is credibly from before 1-Jan-2024, then there is no need to file a Thai tax return (if that is your only remitted money into Thailand).

 

Warning - do not expect you can keep topping up that money and claim it is from before 1-Jan-2024, if it was not from before 1-Jan-2024.  So keep a print out of your savings on 31-Dec-2023 close of business,  create a spreadsheet or accounting method, and track all future remittance to Thailand as coming from that amount. 

 

Once that pre-1-Jan-2024 amount runs out on paper, you could be into Thai tax return territory.

 

[Dickp]

Back in 2023 when the subject of TRD was going to tax any funds bought in after 1 Jan 2024 I started to transfer funds to my main bank account. Once I had enough to last me for all of 2024 and forward with those funds plus what I already had in country. During all of 2024 I did not transfer any funds in to Thailand "0". I figured it would be a long learning curve for both taxable foreigners and TRD, so I'm going to see how it plays out. I'm not filing a Thai tax return as I have nothing to declare. Now I'm just waiting to see how this turns out.   

[KhunHeineken]

16 hours ago, topt said:

you have made the story fit your narrative.

No.  It was his story, and his narrative. 

 

16 hours ago, topt said:

Reading the posters actual words he gave figures which were all assessable - state and private pension. The TRD person quoted a tax figure below what he himself had calculated (rightly or wrongly) and paid said amount. 

It was the way the amount was calculated that is of interest. 

 

16 hours ago, topt said:

What else would they do......

Well, they certainly wouldn't know or care about DTA's, would they, hence, the simplistic way his tax bill was calculated, which is my point.

 

16 hours ago, topt said:

The only lesson I see is that if you are determined to file make sure you understand what you are doing and what your allowances/TEDA/DTA etc are and TRD should honour what you say. 

Let's all keep an eye out for the TRD "honoring" what foreigners say in relation to their country's DTA with Thailand. 

 

[KhunHeineken]

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's my words(🤗) when I startet the thread a week ago.😄

Are they still your words to this day, or do you now believe this tax policy will just fade away and there will be no need to do anything? 

[newbee2022]

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Are they still your words to this day, or do you now believe this tax policy will just fade away and there will be no need to do anything? 

Good question. At the end everybody has to make his/her own decisions. To be on the safe side I went early this year to the tax office. With bank statement, passport, copies, marriage cert. And cert that my pension is a "state" pension (I went there twice actually. First just to check what they want to see). Surprising for me was there are only 2 pensions in Thailand farang related: state and private.

So it should for most of us easy to enter the office with a smile: here I am and here are my documents. The officers are well trained and know what they do. Far from being stupid as some AN members suspect. And don't go alone (have a witness, just in case. And keep your bank statement 2024)

[newbee2022]

9 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

sounds like I am going to have to print out my bank statement every month going forward

 

As to last year have to go to KK bank to get it as online will only give me 6 months

🤗😳👏 Good joke indeed. Having read my dozens of replies and comments here in MY thread, yes, you have a 12 months bank statement for 2024. (Not necessary to print it monthly. Just go to your bank and ask for the statement for 2024.) With this up you go. 

Oh, I forgot. Usually you have to pay for the statement 200 Baht. Can you afford that?🤗. Or shall we start a "go fund me" action for you😄😍😁

[newbee2022]

10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Clearly, I need to spell it out for you.

 

It's quite simple.  There is no need to file a tax return if no tax is due.  So Immigration won't check as a standard thing. Don't cut my quote and change the meaning.

The decision to pay taxes is not in your hands, God sake🤗🤣🙏

[Yumthai]

9 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

The decision to pay taxes is not in your hands, God sake🤗🤣🙏

Muppet comment.

[newbee2022]

21 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

Muppet comment.

 

21 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

Muppet comment.

What do you mean by that? You call me a muppet? Tell me if you dare

[KhunHeineken]

44 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Good question. At the end everybody has to make his/her own decisions. To be on the safe side I went early this year to the tax office. With bank statement, passport, copies, marriage cert. And cert that my pension is a "state" pension (I went there twice actually. First just to check what they want to see). Surprising for me was there are only 2 pensions in Thailand farang related: state and private.

So it should for most of us easy to enter the office with a smile: here I am and here are my documents. The officers are well trained and know what they do. Far from being stupid as some AN members suspect. And don't go alone (have a witness, just in case. And keep your bank statement 2024)

A couple of other members have posted that they now feel better after filing, declaring, paying, and receiving a "receipt" from the TRD. (document) 

 

As much as no one likes to pay tax, but knowing how Thailand is, I am prepared to pay some tax, and I'm almost at a point where I want to pay some tax, to get this done with, and to move on with my life.  Yes, sounds crazy, but I would rather have that piece of paper from the TRD than not, and I'm prepared to pay for it.  Reason being, it removes uncertainty.   I have files, declared, paid, and can prove it.  

 

As I have said, I do not want to be one of the first ones to be made an example of by Thai authorities over this tax policy.   

 

1 baht, 10k baht, 20k baht, whatever.  I have always said I will give Thailand a chance this year. 

 

There are many accounts of expats going to the TRD and being told they do not have to file.  It would be great if they would issue a document in the applicant's name stating zero tax to pay, but that's not how Thailand works. 

 

A big part of the unease around this tax is not so much the amount of money that may have to be paid, but whether or not immigration will demand a document showing clearance from the TRD.  In my opinion, that's on the way, either this year, or in the future.  I accept others have the view that this may never happen, as we all hope it doesn't. 

 

Also of concern is the information coming out of individual TRD offices.  As I have said, go to a different office, you may get different information. 

 

Anyway, I am certainly not in the "do nothing, it will go away" camp.  More so lately, I am leaning towards doing what it takes to get that piece of paper from the TRD and not having to be concerned with any moves the Thai government may make against those who have not filed.  

 

Interesting times ahead. 

[KhunHeineken]

11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

So Immigration won't check as a standard thing.

Link please? 

 

It's on the way, for sure. 

 

BTW, what's a non standard thing? 

[KhunHeineken]

42 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

Muppet comment.

How so?

 

Is the decision on visas / extensions in your hands?  No. 

[newbee2022]

17 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

A couple of other members have posted that they now feel better after filing, declaring, paying, and receiving a "receipt" from the TRD. (document) 

 

As much as no one likes to pay tax, but knowing how Thailand is, I am prepared to pay some tax, and I'm almost at a point where I want to pay some tax, to get this done with, and to move on with my life.  Yes, sounds crazy, but I would rather have that piece of paper from the TRD than not, and I'm prepared to pay for it.  Reason being, it removes uncertainty.   I have files, declared, paid, and can prove it.  

 

As I have said, I do not want to be one of the first ones to be made an example of by Thai authorities over this tax policy.   

 

1 baht, 10k baht, 20k baht, whatever.  I have always said I will give Thailand a chance this year. 

 

There are many accounts of expats going to the TRD and being told they do not have to file.  It would be great if they would issue a document in the applicant's name stating zero tax to pay, but that's not how Thailand works. 

 

A big part of the unease around this tax is not so much the amount of money that may have to be paid, but whether or not immigration will demand a document showing clearance from the TRD.  In my opinion, that's on the way, either this year, or in the future.  I accept others have the view that this may never happen, as we all hope it doesn't. 

 

Also of concern is the information coming out of individual TRD offices.  As I have said, go to a different office, you may get different information. 

 

Anyway, I am certainly not in the "do nothing, it will go away" camp.  More so lately, I am leaning towards doing what it takes to get that piece of paper from the TRD and not having to be concerned with any moves the Thai government may make against those who have not filed.  

 

Interesting times ahead. 

You're right. Coming out of the office without anything like "no taxes to be paid" was something I was concerned. For this year we won't have problems with the immigration. But next year could be different or all the same as last year. Who knows in Thailand

[KhunHeineken]

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You're right. Coming out of the office without anything like "no taxes to be paid" was something I was concerned. For this year we won't have problems with the immigration. But next year could be different or all the same as last year. Who knows in Thailand

I have no problem with TRD staff saying, "no taxes to be paid" but I want a document from the TRD stating exactly that.  Otherwise, all I have is some young Thai who's parents bought them a government job, and I'm left to hang out and dry should sh*t hit the fan. 

 

Quite a few members are relying on what one member of staff told them at one TRD office.  Risky. 

[newbee2022]

46 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I have no problem with TRD staff saying, "no taxes to be paid" but I want a document from the TRD stating exactly that.  Otherwise, all I have is some young Thai who's parents bought them a government job, and I'm left to hang out and dry should sh*t hit the fan. 

 

Quite a few members are relying on what one member of staff told them at one TRD office.  Risky. 

I didn't get the paper. But...Rome was not built within one day. So we'll see what will happen the next remaining 11 months of this year🙏

[JBChiangRai]

22 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Clearly, I need to spell it out for you.

 

It's quite simple.  There is no need to file a tax return if no tax is due.  So Immigration won't check as a standard thing. Don't cut my quote and change the meaning.

 

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

The decision to pay taxes is not in your hands, God sake🤗🤣🙏

You reply to a post with a completely different subject? (A statement I agree with btw, but irrelevant to initial post).

 

Whats up?

[JBChiangRai]

11 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Link please? 

 

It's on the way, for sure. 

 

BTW, what's a non standard thing? 

Why would immigration check that people who have no tax due have submitted a tax return?

 

it’s not a requirement, to submit a tax return if you have no tax due.

[Yumthai]

11 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

12 hours ago, Yumthai said:

Muppet comment.

How so?

 

Is the decision on visas / extensions in your hands?  No. 

All your life decisions, including deciding you're going to pay tax or not, are in your hands unless you are a muppet. Needless to say, all the consequences of your decisions shall be assumed.

[newbee2022]

7 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

All your life decisions, including deciding you're going to pay tax or not, are in your hands unless you are a muppet. Needless to say, all the consequences of your decisions shall be assumed.

Another "no sense" comment

[Yumthai]

11 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Quite a few members are relying on what one member of staff told them at one TRD office.  Risky. 

IMO less risky than having a visa/extension illegally stamped in your passport.

[newbee2022]

3 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

IMO less risky than having a visa/extension illegally stamped in your passport.

What taxes have to do with your passport will be your secret hopefully.

[motdaeng]

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I didn't get the paper. But...Rome was not built within one day. So we'll see what will happen the next remaining 11 months of this year🙏

 

to get confirmation from the tax office (that no tax has to be paid), there is a solution:

request a refund of the withheld tax from your bank account, even if it’s just a small amount.

go to your local TRD, the staff will do the  tax return with you together, asking you about work,

other income, money transfers etc.

 

this way, you’ll have something in writing in your hands ...

[oldcpu]

7 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

to get confirmation from the tax office (that no tax has to be paid), there is a solution:

request a refund of the withheld tax from your bank account, even if it’s just a small amount.

this way, you’ll have something in writing in your hands ...

 

At this stage there is no general requirement to show immigration any Thailand tax information to get an extension of one's permission to stay in Thailand  Maybe that will change in the future,  maybe it won't. 

 

Maybe there will be another tsunami tomorrow that will wipe out all of southern Thailand also. Speculation? Absolutely. Do I think such will happen again? No. Not in my lifetime. 

 

But to post with no qualifications that such a (unlikely) requirement will come to pass and not say such is the pure speculation that it is, ... is simply scare mongering. 

 

I am 100% in agreeing Thai law should  be followed.  

 

But I am also 100% against scaremongering based on one's own paranoia. 

[motdaeng]

1 minute ago, oldcpu said:

at this stage there is no general requirement to show immigration any Thailand tax information to get an extension of one's permission to stay in Thailand  Maybe that will change in the future,  maybe it won't. 

1 minute ago, oldcpu said:

 

But I am also 100% against scaremongering based on one's own paranoia. 

 

you quoted my post. i didn't write anything about immigration or scaremongering, etc.

 

when clarifying something with authorities, for example regarding tax questions, it would be nice to receive written confirmation of the information provided. i described a way to obtain this in my post ... thank you.

[kingstonkid]

15 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

🤗😳👏 Good joke indeed. Having read my dozens of replies and comments here in MY thread, yes, you have a 12 months bank statement for 2024. (Not necessary to print it monthly. Just go to your bank and ask for the statement for 2024.) With this up you go. 

Oh, I forgot. Usually you have to pay for the statement 200 Baht. Can you afford that?🤗. Or shall we start a "go fund me" action for you😄😍😁

 

No need for the gofundme but that will mean 2 less San Miguel 😭 this week

 

 

[oldcpu]

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

you quoted my post. i didn't write anything about immigration or scaremongering, etc.

 

when clarifying something with authorities, for example regarding tax questions, it would be nice to receive written confirmation of the information provided. i described a way to obtain this in my post ... thank you.

 

Far enough.

 

Thankyou for the suggestion as to how to go about this in the future if ever needed..

 

At present time such 'written tax documents confirmation' is generally not required by immigration in Thailand when going for an annual extension.

[KhunHeineken]

16 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I didn't get the paper. But...Rome was not built within one day. So we'll see what will happen the next remaining 11 months of this year🙏

Sure, but I still think the Thai's have more install for farang with this tax.  Just a gut feeling.