Possible Bank Issues with First Retirement Extension

[LosLobo]

I just realized, while doing my third 90-day report and reviewing my passport visa stamps, that I received a fast-track 90-day visa to retirement on the same day last June, I think giving me a total of 15 months instead of the usual 12.
 

I had originally planned to apply for my first extension in June, but now I see it will actually be in September.

Regarding my finances:

• I maintained 800K in the bank from May to June.
• After four months, I withdrew 100K.
• In January, I deposited 100K back, intending to keep it there until at least three months after getting the proposed extension.

Given that my visa duration is 15 months instead of 12, will this affect my ability to get the extension in September? Also, for my Bangkok Bank statement, would it be better to get a 12-month statement now and another in September, or should I handle it differently?

[DrJack54]

So an agent was able to obtain the 12 month extension at same time as the Non O retirement.

Did you provide the 800k in the bank at that time OR did agent cover the financials? 

15 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I received a fast-track 90-day visa to retirement on the same day last June,

You received a Non O visa that provides 90 stamp and at same time agent was able to obtain 12 month extension added to 90 day permission of stay.

17 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Also, for my Bangkok Bank statement, would it be better to get a 12-month statement now and another in September, or should I handle it differently?

Suggest you obtain bank statements back to issue of the Non O.

So in effect this means ~15 months of bank statements when you obtain your next annual extension.

 

Out of interest, if you had the 800k yourself in Thai bank account in your name only why did you even bother with an agent.

 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

So an agent was able to obtain the 12 month extension at same time as the Non O retirement.

Did you provide the 800k in the bank at that time OR did agent cover the financials? 

You received a Non O visa that provides 90 stamp and at same time agent was able to obtain 12 month extension added to 90 day permission of stay.

Suggest you obtain bank statements back to issue of the Non O.

So in effect this means ~15 months of bank statements when you obtain your next annual extension.

 

Out of interest, if you had the 800k yourself in Thai bank account in your name only why did you even bother with an agent.

Thanks, Jack.
 

I had my own 800k in the bank, but my local immigration office refused to issue me a Non-O visa despite initially saying they would.
 

To cut to the chase, I have difficulty traveling, and using an agent was the quickest and most cost-effective option.
 

The stamps are a bit ambiguous:

• One page has a Non-Immigrant stamp with visa number XXXx5/2567 written in blue ink, marked Category O, signed on 5 June 2024, with a smaller stamp below it of the same date and two signatures—one from the officer who signed the first stamp. It also has USED stamped across the top.
   
• The opposite page shows Non-O Retirement, valid from 5 June 2024 to 2 Sept 2024, with the same two signatures.
   
• The next page has a stamp with XXXX9/2567, signed by a different officer, marked Valid Until 2 Sept 2025, with Extension of Stay - Retirement printed on it, dated 5 June 2024.
   
• Below that, there’s a Re-entry Visa, valid until 2 Sept 2025, signed by another officer again, dated 5 June 2024.

I could provide pictures, but they would need editing. I’d rather not if possible without them.
 

I am assuming that the 12-month extension was added to the 90-day permission of stay and that the first visa was on both opposite pages, later canceled by the USED stamp. The second visa appears to be just an extension to 02 Sept 2025 starting from the signed date of 5th June 2024.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I could provide pictures, but they would need editing. I’d rather not if possible without them.

No need. What you outline is clear.

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

The second visa appears to be just an extension to 02 Sept 2025 starting from the signed date of 5th June 2024

This is not a visa. Rather extension of stay and prior to expiry (2/Sept/2025) you will obtain your next 12 month extension. 

 

For next extension apply one month prior to expiry with the bank statements and if there is an issue just exit and start over.

Which immigration office refused to issue the Non O.

Guessing prior to that you entered visa exempt. 

[Tod Daniels]

It is HIGHLY unlikely that you will be able to get a year extension on your own with "same day" Non-O / year extension stamps

Those "one-n-done" 15 month retirement visas (even banking your own money) EVERY immigration officer in the country can see the time line is not correct on those stamps. There's no way you could have walked in to immigrations on your own and got those stamps, they will 100% know they were agent gotten by the out of sequence date stamps
 

This is exactly why pattaya agents hold your passport for a month when they do Non-O with year extension, it spreads the stamps out to something that looks at least semi normal 🙂  

You clearly didn't follow the 3 months after the extension was issued; which in "real time" (not make believe same day agent gotten time 😮 ) would have  been counted from about 2 months after you got the initial Non-O issued)

Let's do the math as if you had gotten the Non-O and extension above the table 😉
Getting the Non-O on June 5th, that meant you could have applied for the year extension when you had 30 days or less left on that SO about August 5 would be the soonest at most offices (although some offices allow you to apply for an extension when you have 45 days or less)

That means counting from the earliest date you could have really applied for the extension if you did it above the table versus under it, you needed to have the funds in from June 5 to Aug 5 to hit the 2 month before requirement and then keep the funds in for 3 months after that to about 5 Nov before you could have pulled the balance down to 400K baht

When you go to get your next yearly extension your immigration office will certainly see that you got a "one-n-done" Non-O/year extension issued the same day. They will know it was agent gotten. If by some wild reasoning they still let you apply for the year extension, when you give them the year detail transaction report from the bank you will not meet the seasoning requirements no matter how you want to count it (actual day you got the year OR actual day you SHOULD have been able to get the year)

 

I've had several people use bangkok agents to get those one-n-done 15 month retirement visas in a day and most people get told by their immigration office next year to either bounce out/back and start OVER above the table or go back to the agent again to get the next year extension. <- meaning you're saddled with an agent for the foreseeable future on the stamps you had 

Sorry that was long, hopefully marginally helpful

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Suggest you obtain bank statements back to issue of the Non O.

So in effect this means ~15 months of bank statements when you obtain your next annual extension.

So Bangkok Bank does issue statements for more than 12 months?
 

20 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

No need. What you outline is clear.

This is not a visa. Rather extension of stay and prior to expiry (2/Sept/2025) you will obtain your next 12 month extension. 

 

For next extension apply one month prior to expiry with the bank statements and if there is an issue just exit and start over.

Which immigration office refused to issue the Non O.

Guessing prior to that you entered visa exempt. 

 

Yes, visa exempt.

I am planning on applying 6 weeks beforehand.

Ranong. So if they buck on the extension I might have to go overseas, maybe Oz and apply for a 90 day O Non Imm. Easy in Oz online now.

Thanks for your help.

 

[LosLobo]

28 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

It is HIGHLY unlikely that you will be able to get a year extension on your own with "same day" Non-O / year extension stamps

Those "one-n-done" 15 month retirement visas (even banking your own money) EVERY immigration officer in the country can see the time line is not correct on those stamps. There's no way you could have walked in to immigrations on your own and got those stamps, they will 100% know they were agent gotten by the out of sequence date stamps
 

This is exactly why pattaya agents hold your passport for a month when they do Non-O with year extension, it spreads the stamps out to something that looks at least semi normal 🙂  

You clearly didn't follow the 3 months after the extension was issued; which in "real time" (not make believe same day agent gotten time 😮 ) would have  been counted from about 2 months after you got the initial Non-O issued)

Let's do the math as if you had gotten the Non-O and extension above the table 😉
Getting the Non-O on June 5th, that meant you could have applied for the year extension when you had 30 days or less left on that SO about August 5 would be the soonest at most offices (although some offices allow you to apply for an extension when you have 45 days or less)

That means counting from the earliest date you could have really applied for the extension if you did it above the table versus under it, you needed to have the funds in from June 5 to Aug 5 to hit the 2 month before requirement and then keep the funds in for 3 months after that to about 5 Nov before you could have pulled the balance down to 400K baht

When you go to get your next yearly extension your immigration office will certainly see that you got a "one-n-done" Non-O/year extension issued the same day. They will know it was agent gotten. If by some wild reasoning they still let you apply for the year extension, when you give them the year detail transaction report from the bank you will not meet the seasoning requirements no matter how you want to count it (actual day you got the year OR actual day you SHOULD have been able to get the year)

 

I've had several people use bangkok agents to get those one-n-done 15 month retirement visas in a day and most people get told by their immigration office next year to either bounce out/back and start OVER above the table or go back to the agent again to get the next year extension. <- meaning you're saddled with an agent for the foreseeable future on the stamps you had 

Sorry that was long, hopefully marginally helpful

 Thanks for your response.

I can only try to apply for the extension, but I will have a contingency plan just in case.

[DrJack54]

38 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Ranong. So if they buck on the extension I might have to go overseas, maybe Oz and apply for a 90 day O Non Imm. Easy in Oz online now.

Let's back this up a little.

So where is agent that you used located? 

 

[DrJack54]

40 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

So if they buck on the extension I might have to go overseas, maybe Oz and apply for a 90 day O Non Imm. Easy in Oz online now.

Yes that's an option and eVisa for Non O retirement in Oz takes just few days.

Be aware that you can apply for eVisa outside of Thailand at nearby consulates.

All done using eVisa (online) does not need to be home country.

My pick would be Saigon 

[LosLobo]

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Let's back this up a little.

So where is agent that you used located? 

 

Bangkok.

[DrJack54]

6 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Bangkok.

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