Panama Caves

[Yagoda]

Panama wont renew its treaty with China.

 

Screech away, Trump and America haters.

 

[illisdean]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Panama wont renew its treaty with China.

 

Screech away, Trump and America haters.

 

 

Trump effect....AKA WINNING

 

 

[Yagoda]

Winning is great.

[hotsun]

Reality is that the US will have a relatively good next four years. This forum will be kicking and screaming all along the way

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Reality is that the US will have a relatively good next four years. This forum will be kicking and screaming all along the way

 

Babies quit crying and fall asleep eventually.  But they can sure be irritating in the meantime.

 

[jerrymahoney]

Though Mulino told Rubio that Panama’s sovereignty over the canal was not up for debate, he also said he had addressed Washington’s concerns over Beijing’s purported influence around the waterway.

 

Panama would not renew a 2017 memorandum of understanding to join China’s overseas development initiative, known as the Belt and Road initiative, Mulino said, also suggesting that the deal with Beijing could end early.

 

As CNN has previously reported, Hutchison does not control access to the Panama Canal. Workers at their two ports only load and unload containers onto ships and supply them with fuel. Three other ports in the vicinity of the canal are operated by competing companies providing similar services.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/02/americas/panama-china-belt-and-road-initiative-rubio-visits-intl-latam/index.html

[riclag]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Babies quit crying and fall asleep eventually.  But they can sure be irritating in the meantime.

 

KIDS!

My mother use to say during a fit of rage, You know somethin ? What Ma, I asked , Kids suck .

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

 

Trump effect....AKA WINNING

 

 

Peace through strength!Rubio takes the message to Panama’s Leader . 
Capitulate or else !

 

The art of the deal!

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

Expecting some grovelling apologies soon from the over emotional cabal that likened Trump's negotiating with Panama as end of the world we know stuff. It wasn't. It was brilliant negotiation in the time honored carrot and stick routine.

Lesson = Trump is always right, the frothers are always wrong. Just trust the guy and chill out.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Reality is that the US will have a relatively good next four years. This forum will be kicking and screaming all along the way

Especially when the Trumps wingpeople start digging in and uncovering corruption of the last 4 years and prior.

 

The perfect storm

[rwilem]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

Especially when the Trumps wingpeople start digging in and uncovering corruption of the last 4 years and prior.

Oh my... The word is just getting out now about USAID, and its MASSIVE corruption and illicit funding operations for many, many years. Payoffs to dems and rinos and others, via  grants to NGOs/501c outfits. Funding dirty ops all over the world, some of them coming back to haunt on U.S. soil.

It's all exploding. The rats are scurrying. What's the phrase? 'You can't stop what's coming'.

[illisdean]

On 2/3/2025 at 11:43 AM, Yagoda said:

Winning is great.

I'd say...nothing like it unless you are a Trump /America hating liberal loser. 

 

Good work by standout SEC State Rubio.

 

 

 

 

 

[bannork]

Panama refuses to grant USA free access to the canal

The Panamanian government on Wednesday slapped down claims being made by the Trump administration that it had agreed to grant free passage for United States military ships through the Panama Canal.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Panama is denying the State Department's claim that American ships would have access to the canal "without charge fees, saving the U.S. government millions of dollars a year."

The issue, according to the Journal, is that giving American military ships a free pass through the canal would likely violate treaty commitments that the government made in the past.

''Panama still needs to find a way to allow free passage without breaching a neutrality clause banning preferential treatment for any country, people familiar with the discussions said," reports the Journal. "The canal’s administrator, Ricaurte Vásquez Morales, told The Wall Street Journal last month that breaching the neutrality treaty would lead to chaos."

 

[Yagoda]

19 hours ago, bannork said:

Panama refuses to grant USA free access to the canal

The Panamanian government on Wednesday slapped down claims being made by the Trump administration that it had agreed to grant free passage for United States military ships through the Panama Canal.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Panama is denying the State Department's claim that American ships would have access to the canal "without charge fees, saving the U.S. government millions of dollars a year."

The issue, according to the Journal, is that giving American military ships a free pass through the canal would likely violate treaty commitments that the government made in the past.

''Panama still needs to find a way to allow free passage without breaching a neutrality clause banning preferential treatment for any country, people familiar with the discussions said," reports the Journal. "The canal’s administrator, Ricaurte Vásquez Morales, told The Wall Street Journal last month that breaching the neutrality treaty would lead to chaos."

 

Well thats just a minor hump in the water. Lets just take the canal over then.

 

Caving coming soon.

[impulse]

On 2/3/2025 at 2:33 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Expecting some grovelling apologies soon from the over emotional cabal that likened Trump's negotiating with Panama as end of the world we know stuff. It wasn't. It was brilliant negotiation in the time honored carrot and stick routine.

Lesson = Trump is always right, the frothers are always wrong. Just trust the guy and chill out.

 

The problem is that Trump will rack up a dozen victories in a row, then he'll stumble on Gaza (that's been intractable for 80+ years) and that's all they'll want to talk about.

 

[Patong2021]

26 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well thats just a minor hump in the water. Lets just take the canal over then.

 

Caving coming soon.

The USA has no legal basis to take over the canal. Long before the US could gain control of the canal, it might very well be destroyed. I don't think the US population has the stomach to take the casualties that would occur if the USA occupied Panama. More importantly,  invading Panama  would require a declaration of war and it is unlikely Congress would authorize it. The USA risks  a  guerrilla war in Latin America. No US citizen would be safe.

[simple1]

On 2/3/2025 at 4:09 PM, riclag said:

KIDS!

My mother use to say during a fit of rage, You know somethin ? What Ma, I asked , Kids suck .

Peace through strength!Rubio takes the message to Panama’s Leader . 
Capitulate or else !

 

The art of the deal!

 

 

 

Panama's President tells US to "stop  lies and falsehoods"

 

Mulino said he asked his ambassador in Washington to take “firm steps” to reject the claims made by the Trump administration.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/panama-president-canal-trump-rcna191064

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The USA has no legal basis to take over the canal. Long before the US could gain control of the canal, it might very well be destroyed. I don't think the US population has the stomach to take the casualties that would occur if the USA occupied Panama. More importantly,  invading Panama  would require a declaration of war and it is unlikely Congress would authorize it. The USA risks  a  guerrilla war in Latin America. No US citizen would be safe.

We built it. Panama would last an hour and we dont need a declaration of war.

 

Panama exists as a nation because of us. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

 

The world is a better place when we are in charge.

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

The world is a better place when we are in charge.

The biggest and worst lie in the world. 

Just how deranged does someone have to be to make such a crass statement?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

The biggest and worst lie in the world. 

Just how deranged does someone have to be to make such a crass statement?

You are here today because of us little one. Remember that the universe and life is a hierarchical place, and we are at the top. You can just keep standing on top of your rock facing the firth of forth and scream endlessly into the wind.

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You are here today because of us little one. Remember that the universe and life is a hierarchical place, and we are at the top. You can just keep standing on top of your rock facing the firth of forth and scream endlessly into the wind.

"Us", tell us what you have done......?  🤔

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You are here today because of us little one. Remember that the universe and life is a hierarchical place, and we are at the top. You can just keep standing on top of your rock facing the firth of forth and scream endlessly into the wind.

"Remember that the universe and life is a hierarchical place, and we are at the top" of the present USA  sh!t heap!

Yet another meaningless piece of drivel based on assumptions!

For someone who once claimed to be more intelligent than most AN members and excellent at grammar I suggest you were talking about the wrong person.  Place names start with capital letters!

[Patong2021]

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

We built it. Panama would last an hour and we dont need a declaration of war.

Panama exists as a nation because of us. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

The world is a better place when we are in charge.

 

 

75%+ of the. Panama canal workforce came from The majority of the workers on the Panama Canal came from the West Indies, including Barbados, Jamaica, Grenada, Martinique, and Trinidad. 90%+ of deaths were these people. Your logic  holds that their homelands can lay claim to the canal.

 

Panama exists as a nation because it gained its independence in 1821 from Spain. It then joined  with other states to form a greater Columbian Republic under the great Simon de Bolivar. Panama then split from Columbia The USA was involved because it sought to act as a colonial power. The USA has no right to  meddle in Latin America.

 

The USA is not in charge. All that the USA is doing is to force the world to look away from purchasing US products and to become more self reliant.

 

 

[still kicking]

Why are Trump supporters nasty liars? Every post by Trump or Maga supporters is not a fact but a lie, I will give up reading US politics because all the Trumpters on here call me a lefty and a liar. I am not a lefty I don't even live in the US I have a different opinion. Why can't I voice my opinion without being abused by a Maga supporter? But then again they are taught and brainwashed by their Fuerer. What is wrong with the US? 

[scottiejohn]

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

 What is wrong with the US? 

TRUMP!

[Yagoda]

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

75%+ of the. Panama canal workforce came from The majority of the workers on the Panama Canal came from the West Indies, including Barbados, Jamaica, Grenada, Martinique, and Trinidad. 90%+ of deaths were these people. Your logic  holds that their homelands can lay claim to the canal.

 

Panama exists as a nation because it gained its independence in 1821 from Spain. It then joined  with other states to form a greater Columbian Republic under the great Simon de Bolivar. Panama then split from Columbia The USA was involved because it sought to act as a colonial power. The USA has no right to  meddle in Latin America.

 

The USA is not in charge. All that the USA is doing is to force the world to look away from purchasing US products and to become more self reliant.

 

 

WE have every right to meddle where we want in pursuit of our national goals and security.

 

The world will be a better place when we rule.

[scottiejohn]

18 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

WE have every right to meddle where we want in pursuit of our national goals and security.

 

The world will be a better place when we rule.

Yet another asinine blinkered statement from the MAGAlomaniac!

 Get your own Country sorted and leave the rest of the world alone!

The USA has no God given, or any other, right to rule other countries who certainly do not want them! 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

Yet another asinine blinkered statement from the MAGAlomaniac!

 Get your own Country sorted and leave the rest of the world alone!

The USA has no God given, or any other, right to rule other countries who certainly do not want them! 

Sucks to be you. Who is going to stop us?

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, still kicking said:

Why are Trump supporters nasty liars? Every post by Trump or Maga supporters is not a fact but a lie, I will give up reading US politics because all the Trumpters on here call me a lefty and a liar. I am not a lefty I don't even live in the US I have a different opinion. Why can't I voice my opinion without being abused by a Maga supporter? But then again they are taught and brainwashed by their Fuerer. What is wrong with the US? 

It's called American exceptionalism, there's little difference between it and Hitler's notion of Aryan superiority.

 

In reality, America has the world's highest prison population. The wealth disparity is so huge just three men in the USA have more combined wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans.

 

Its tax system is so screwed up billionaires pay less tax than the receptionists and janitors in the properties they own. Yet this is accepted as normal, which only confirms Einstein's observation about the Universe and human stupidity.

 

It also spends $820 billion on its military, far more than any other nation. At the same time, it spends about $130 billion on infrastructure, then probably wonders why it only has 80 km of high speed rail. Too busy building walls.

 

Just a couple of examples of what is wrong with America, let the ad hominem attacks begin.

[Purdey]

I am concerned that the guy who built my house will claim ownership and try to invade it. 

 

[Harrisfan]

6 hours ago, still kicking said:

Why are Trump supporters nasty liars? Every post by Trump or Maga supporters is not a fact but a lie, I will give up reading US politics because all the Trumpters on here call me a lefty and a liar. I am not a lefty I don't even live in the US I have a different opinion. Why can't I voice my opinion without being abused by a Maga supporter? But then again they are taught and brainwashed by their Fuerer. What is wrong with the US? 

So you call people liars and Nazis then wonder why they don't like you. 

 

Think about it.