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Posted
7 hours ago, sungod said:

Bet you are chuffed you got your 2 grand back a few years back and put yourself on the radar.

 

anyone who thinks they are not on the authorities' radar in some way other the other is mistaken.

some of us are in the system earlier than others, but for all foreigners living in thailand year-round,

there is no long-term escape ... only if you live here illegally and under a rock ... :cheesy:

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2 hours ago, Confuscious said:


https://www.rd.go.th/english/23517.html

4. Application for exemption or reduction of fine and surcharge

A taxpayer has the duty to file his tax return and pay proper taxes on time. Should he fail to do so, he will be subject to fine and surcharge on top of the tax due.

 

Not if you're income is under the level of required filing.

Posted
4 hours ago, treetops said:

 

That makes me think your monthly 29,000 ish baht is the state pension and not a government service pension.  You called it earlier a "monthly government retirement pension" which is a bit unclear and has made some posters think of it as eg a civil service pension which would not be taxable due to the DTA.

 

UK State pension is assessable for tax by the Thai RD, however if that is all you remit it's well below the threshold at which you would owe any tax.

Thanks, Yes I made a mistake, I should have said that it was my UK state pension . I wonder if my UK state pension is well below the the threshold amount , then is there any need to complete the tax form. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Thanks, Yes I made a mistake, I should have said that it was my UK state pension . I wonder if my UK state pension is well below the the threshold amount , then is there any need to complete the tax form. 

Level to file is different than level to owe tax.

Before I thought you were remitting non accessable income. Now it sounds accessable.  You do need to file. 

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44 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

thanks for your reply. sorry, my post was not meant to be disrespectful.

we have been filing tax returns for over 10 years and have never received the tax forms by mail ...

 

personally, for my peace of mind and because i prefer to follow the rules, i would do the following:

go to the bank to get the receipt for the withheld tax, have a thai person help fill out the tax return,

and enter the remitted money (around 380k) as income / pension, even though it's covered by the DTA!

just ignore and don’t mention the DTA to the tax office ...

 

since you're over 65, your total tax-free allowance is around 500k. no need to worry, you won’t have to pay anything,

and you even will get some pocket money back from your withheld bank tax ...

 

that’s what i would do in your place, but of course, it’s up to you.

good luck, though i don’t think you’ll need it ... :smile:

Many thanks, your suggestion is appreciated. The tax form that arrived in the post has 8 separate sides with many sections that need to be completed, all written in Thai, My Thai wife does not understand the questions on the tax form , and I'm not too happy about paying a tax consultant to advise me what to do. I could take the tax form to the small local tax office and ask them to help me fill out the form , but I'm not sure what their answer would be. So some how not having to complete the tax form would be a better all round option. 

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Level to file is different than level to owe tax.

Before I thought you were remitting non accessable income. Now it sounds accessable.  You do need to file. 

Thanks, so its looking more and more like that I need to fill out the tax form, my problem is that my Thai wife does not understand the questions on the tax form , and I'm not too happy about paying a tax consultant to advise me what to do. 

Posted
1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

anyone who thinks they are not on the authorities' radar in some way other the other is mistaken.

some of us are in the system earlier than others, but for all foreigners living in thailand year-round,

there is no long-term escape ... only if you live here illegally and under a rock ... :cheesy:

 Volunteering your details when not asked is a little silly IMHO.

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8 hours ago, tomgreen said:

 

Ive made many past mistakes since I decided to live in Thailand , the first was to inform the UK pension service that I was going to live premaritally in Thailand (frozen pension for 20 years ) and the other mistake was to get involved with the Thai tax system. If I could only turn the clock back :ermm:.

 

You do what you think is best at the time I guess, I thought you were going to say the 3rd mistake was getting married, but you seem very happy at least! 🙂

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9 minutes ago, sungod said:

 Volunteering your details when not asked is a little silly IMHO.

 

I was just thinking that receiving the tax form was a sort of asking for my details. Ive just found a link that should be the tax filling online web site , but its in Thai ........ https://efiling.rd.go.th/rd-cms/

Posted
35 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Many thanks, your suggestion is appreciated. The tax form that arrived in the post has 8 separate sides with many sections that need to be completed, all written in Thai, My Thai wife does not understand the questions on the tax form , and I'm not too happy about paying a tax consultant to advise me what to do. I could take the tax form to the small local tax office and ask them to help me fill out the form , but I'm not sure what their answer would be. So some how not having to complete the tax form would be a better all round option. 

just take your wife with you to the tax office, they will do all the paperwork for you online. No charge for this and with the amount of income you have you will owe nothing, and if you bring a tax statement from the bank that amount would be refunded to you

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4 minutes ago, flexomike said:

just take your wife with you to the tax office, they will do all the paperwork for you online. No charge for this and with the amount of income you have you will owe nothing, and if you bring a tax statement from the bank that amount would be refunded to you

Thanks , thats very helpful. Ive just had a thought, the Thai bank where in the past I claimed back the tax that was taken ( Krungsri bank ) is different from the Thai bank where my UK state pension is paid into ( Bangkok Bank )  I can obtain the tax statement from the Krungsri bank, but I'm not sure what I would have to ask for from the Bangkok bank , to show my UK state pension income .

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2 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Thanks , thats very helpful. Ive just had a thought, the Thai bank where in the past I claimed back the tax that was taken ( Krungsri bank ) is different from the Thai bank where my UK state pension is paid into ( Bangkok Bank )  I can obtain the tax statement from the Krungsri bank, but I'm not sure what I would have to ask for from the Bangkok bank , to show my UK state pension income .

A 12 month statement from Jan 1 2024 to 31 Dec 2024 from the bank where the pension is deposited would probably be enough. Typical cost would be 200 baht.

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47 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Many thanks, your suggestion is appreciated. The tax form that arrived in the post has 8 separate sides with many sections that need to be completed, all written in Thai, My Thai wife does not understand the questions on the tax form , and I'm not too happy about paying a tax consultant to advise me what to do. I could take the tax form to the small local tax office and ask them to help me fill out the form , but I'm not sure what their answer would be. So some how not having to complete the tax form would be a better all round option. 

 

i completely understand your concerns. this year, we filed our tax return online for the first time. even with my wife helping me, it wasn't easy, especially the first time online. the refund for my wife's and our child's bank withholding tax was transferred within 10 days without any issues. my own tax return was a bit more complicated, and i had to submit additional documents later (36 doc's to upload). the final review by the tax office is still pending.

 

our experience, as well as that of other forum members with the local TRD, has been very positive. they are friendly, helpful, and happy to assist with filling out the tax return. for years, my wife brought all the documents to the tax office, and they completed the forms for us. we've always had good experiences, even though we've only filed tax returns for the withholding tax so far ... this is just my/our personal experience ...

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8 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:

A 12 month statement from Jan 1 2024 to 31 Dec 2024 from the bank where the pension is deposited would probably be enough. Typical cost would be 200 baht.

Thanks, that sounds a good option 🙏. Yet another thought,  I think that you can do the form filling on line ( https://efiling.rd.go.th/rd-cms/ ) but I wonder how you would confirm things like a bank statement , while using the online option. 

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13 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Thanks , thats very helpful. Ive just had a thought, the Thai bank where in the past I claimed back the tax that was taken ( Krungsri bank ) is different from the Thai bank where my UK state pension is paid into ( Bangkok Bank )  I can obtain the tax statement from the Krungsri bank, but I'm not sure what I would have to ask for from the Bangkok bank , to show my UK state pension income .

 

normaly, the TRD will inform you after a thorough review if you need a bank statement for the money you brought into thailand.

it's quite possible that the tax office won't require this proof at all ... i would give it a try without this bank statement ...

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4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i completely understand your concerns. this year, we filed our tax return online for the first time. even with my wife helping me, it wasn't easy, especially the first time online. the refund for my wife's and our child's bank withholding tax was transferred within 10 days without any issues. my own tax return was a bit more complicated, and i had to submit additional documents later (36 doc's to upload). the final review by the tax office is still pending.

 

our experience, as well as that of other forum members with the local TRD, has been very positive. they are friendly, helpful, and happy to assist with filling out the tax return. for years, my wife brought all the documents to the tax office, and they completed the forms for us. we've always had good experiences, even though we've only filed tax returns for the withholding tax so far ... this is just my/our personal experience ...

Many thanks, so it sounds like a personal visit to the tax office seems to be the less stressful option. Can I ask , what type of documents did you take with you to the TDR office , or any other paperwork / ID. 

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2 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

normaly, the TRD will inform you after a thorough review if you need a bank statement for the money you brought into thailand.

it's quite possible that the tax office won't require this proof at all ... i would give it a try without this bank statement ...

Cheers , thats some thing to think about 🙏.

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12 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Thanks, that sounds a good option 🙏. Yet another thought,  I think that you can do the form filling on line ( https://efiling.rd.go.th/rd-cms/ ) but I wonder how you would confirm things like a bank statement , while using the online option. 

 

i filled out the tax return without uploading any documents. later, the TRD informed me which documents i needed to upload.

 

for my wife's and child's online tax return, we didn't upload any documents at all because the data (bank, life-insurance etc) was

already correct in the system. within a few days, they received the refund ...

 

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Does the OP have a tax ID number? Is that visible on the form?

 

I would have thought without a tax ID, the TRD can't find you?

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9 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Many thanks, so it sounds like a personal visit to the tax office seems to be the less stressful option. Can I ask , what type of documents did you take with you to the TDR office , or any other paperwork / ID. 

 

my wife always handled this all the years alone. i gave her these documents:

my passport, id card, tax card, yellow house book, and bank statement for withholding tax.

i can't tell you which documents were actually necessary ... 

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9 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i filled out the tax return without uploading any documents. later, the TRD informed me which documents i needed to upload.

 

for my wife's and child's online tax return, we didn't upload any documents at all because the data (bank, life-insurance etc) was

already correct in the system. within a few days, they received the refund ...

 

Cheers , very useful information , today I'm going to the small local tax office along with my Thai wife and show them the tax form I received in the post , and see what they can help with / advise . 

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9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Does the OP have a tax ID number? Is that visible on the form?

 

I would have thought without a tax ID, the TRD can't find you?

Hi , I do have a Thai tax ID number ( which now I regret getting 😱 ) .

Posted
9 hours ago, tomgreen said:

 

Thanks for your comment , If I could buy you a 🍺  I would .

Me too.  I have a UK state pension (after 44 years of service), frozen for 20 years; about 15,500 per MONTH!  Luckily I have a Government Pension (teachers/police/firemen) which is Index linked.  This is exempt from Thai tax.

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58 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:

A 12 month statement from Jan 1 2024 to 31 Dec 2024 from the bank where the pension is deposited would probably be enough. Typical cost would be 200 baht.

You can order 12-month statements for free through the BB app and they come fast (emailed as PDF), albeit don't know if TRD would require a certificate from the bank as well, which would then be 200 baht.

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26 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

my wife always handled this all the years alone. i gave her these documents:

my passport, id card, tax card, yellow house book, and bank statement for withholding tax.

i can't tell you which documents were actually necessary ... 

If you are not working, only the bank statement.

 

If you were working, then only the form from company showing the total amount paid for the year, total social security and provident fund reductions, and any other deductions you may have (if you were paying for a condo, then bank would give you a letter how much interest you have paid, if you were making donations to some organisation like Worldvision, they would send you a letter with total donations for the year, if you had insurance, then you would get letter of how much you paid over the year, etc.). That's the only documents needed. Your personal information they already have.

 

If you were a Thai, and had parents living in Thailand, you could put their tax IDs (ID card numbers) in there to get deductions for them if they don't have income. You could also claim deductions for children but then you'd need to provide documents on them - that they are below 18? 21? can't remember. If your spouse didn't have income, you could also put in deduction for supporting a spouse. For that you'd just need to enter her tax ID and she'd need to file hers separately.

 

So all in all, very few documents are needed. They pretty much already have all the rest.

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20 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

You say you live permanently in Thailand, I assume that means you have PR. That would make it silly not to fill it up as it could have consequences (read conditions of PR at the back of the booklet).

 

What I did the first time I was filing it by myself was go to revenue office, where a very helpful officer taught me how to fill it up. I've been doing it in paper since then, but some years later, online form became available which is sooooo much easier.

 

Now what I would do in your case:

Open Chrome or Edge browser and go to this page: https://efiling.rd.go.th/rd-efiling-web/register

Right click into the page and select "Translate to English"

You should see this:

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Dig up your old form and type in your Tax ID. That's the 13 digit number under por ngor dor 91 form header.

Enter your phone number to receive OTP SMS and enter it in the page

Type in the password you wish to use and one more time to confirm it

 

Now that you're registered, login to the page again and Submit online:

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In here the form is the same as your paper form, but instead of manually entering all that information, you just enter total income, and then deduction categories (most of them will already be pre-filled for you), followed by preview, and if all looks right, submit.

 

The results of that preview can show either that you owe nothing and get no return, or that you owe taxes which you can then pay at nearest 7-11, or that you are owed overpaid taxes, for which RD will send you a KTB cheque within 1-2 weeks to cash into your bank account.

 

Normally you would need to provide evidence for what you have entered, so any salary slips, social security or provident fund payments, insurance, home purchase interest, donations, etc. which you'd scan or take photographs of and upload them in Upload Documents.

 

Those will be checked by revenue department and once confirmed to be valid, they'll get green check marks. Once that happens, process is nearly complete. You can see how far through the process you are by logging in and clicking on Check refund request. If status is "Documents required" it will state which documents they need and you can upload them on that same page.

 

One completed, you'll get an SMS to your registered phone number informing you that cheque has been sent to you if you are getting a refund. 

 

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On the page where you check status you can also click on Receipt, where you can print out confirmation that taxes were paid. If you are getting refund, the receipt will state that you owe 0 THB.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

many thanks, for taking the time to post , its appreciated. I followed your instructions , but cannot see the '' submit on line '' only this page ( see screen shot ) 

Taxwebsite1.jpg

Posted
10 hours ago, tomgreen said:

Ive made many past mistakes since I decided to live in Thailand , the first was to inform the UK pension service that I was going to live premaritally in Thailand (frozen pension for 20 years ) and the other mistake was to get involved with the Thai tax system. If I could only turn the clock back :ermm:.

Don't sweat it. Pales into comparison to ignoring the Bitcoin client download in 2008/9 😟

 

You could perhaps just file for the bank interest refund. If it later comes to an audit, looks like you wouldn't have been over threshold anyway... would they fine for not filing in such a scenario?

 

Anyway, I thought 'they' were still mulling over changes to the filing of remittances for expats. Has this been decided then?

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