Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

[Stiddle Mump]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Measles is the disease caused by the morbillivirus....

 

Oh dear....     this is a thread killer...         You think you can avoid all diseases by drinking clean water... 

I don't agree with you Richard. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

 

Drinking contaminated water is one of the biggest killers in the world.

[Stiddle Mump]

12 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Toxins in water don't cause measles; it's a viral infection. The symptoms are your body's response to the virus, not some "toxin elimination." Vaccines prevent measles—science, not pseudoscience.

I don't know what has caused the outbreak of measles that is the subject of the OP. If I was on the ground, directing operations, I would look at environmental factors; including water contamination.

 

One things for sure; it is nothing to do with a phantom virus.

 

IMO, all vaccines are simply a money maker for Big Pharma. They don't do anything but put poisons into the body.

[Stiddle Mump]

4 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Dr A Wakefield is a fraud.   His research has been debunked.

He certainly is no fraud Mike. A very well respected doctor.

 

His research has been debunked eh!? By whom? People who don't want the truth coming out, and disrupting their money making streams.

 

 

[gamb00ler]

10 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Measles is not a disease. It is a set of symptoms that manifest themselves due to a number of possible things. Generally the culprit is toxicity of one form or another.

And when a specific individual suffering from this set of symptoms travels to another community, somehow that 'toxicity' now occurs in the new community?   LOL

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

And when a specific individual suffering from this set of symptoms travels to another community, somehow that 'toxicity' now occurs in the new community?   LOL

Illness is not infectious. Show me evidence that shows me that it is so.

 

I know of over 200 studies, many by the US military medical establishment, that show illness/sickness/disease could not be passed from one person to another. 

 

There is belief based on flimsy evidence, or none at all as in the case of viruses, and there is the truth; based on nature. You choose. I'll choose.

[Harrisfan]

14 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

A child is dead from measles

"A little child is dead. From measles. In the United States. In 2025. They were unvaccinated and otherwise healthy, making it the first casualty of the West Texas measles outbreak—and the first measles death in the U.S. in a decade. One death from a preventable disease is one too many.

...

• This didn’t happen randomly. West Texas has pockets of alarmingly low MMR vaccination rates. In the area where this outbreak began, one in five children is unvaccinated. Measles spreads like wildfire in unprotected communities—it’s the most contagious virus on earth. On average, one infected person will spread it to 12–18 unvaccinated people. [emphasis added]

• ...

• Measles is not just a rash. While many children recover from measles, some die of pneumonia caused by the virus. Measles can also lead to deafness and brain damage, and it can wipe out a huge fraction of immune memory to other diseases, like the flu, leading to an increase in all-cause deaths years later. The risks of infection far outweigh the risks of the vaccine, as the New York Times shows beautifully below."

 

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/a-child-is-dead-from-measles

 

Your Local Epidemiologist (YLE) is founded and operated by Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD—an epidemiologist, wife, and mom of two little girls. Dr. Jetelina is also a senior scientific consultant to a number of non-profit organizations. YLE reaches over 340,000 people in over 132 countries with one goal: “Translate” the ever-evolving public health science so that people will be well-equipped to make evidence-based decisions.

 

 

1m road deaths no word. 1 kid dies from measles total drama. Sums up the left.

[HappyExpat57]

25 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

''The measles virus is documented and its genome mapped.  It is PROVEN to exist.''

 

There is nothing of the sort. Documented? What does that mean. There is no such thing as a measles virus. Except in a computer.

 

''You are either stupid, trolling or mentally ill. Which is it?''

 

What I am bud; is correct. Simply parroting the Big Pharma lines will not get you there Sir. Nature has the answers we seek.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/measles-virus#:~:text=The measles virus RNA genome,the phosphoprotein (P) gene.

 

[gamb00ler]

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

1m road deaths no word. 1 kid dies from measles total drama. Sums up the left.

So.... why don't you donate some money to research to find a 'vaccine' against speeding, DUI, road rage, stupidity, impatience, helmet aversion?

[Stiddle Mump]

25 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

So.... why don't you donate some money to research to find a 'vaccine' against speeding, DUI, road rage, stupidity, impatience, helmet aversion?

I think @Harrisfan makes a good point. Why is the measles news getting so much coverage?

 

I'll tell you why. Because the vaccine hesitancy has dented Big Pharma's profits. Got to get back on track!! What better method to use than 'fear'. 

[pacovl46]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

In 1963-6 I had measles along with the other 2000 kids in my school. There were zero fatalities or complications. So are you telling up us kids a much weaker than Brit kids?

Really?! Wow! So by that analogy, just because you and the other 2000 kids in your school didn't die, everyone else must have survived, too? That's just silly. Just go over the numbers again: 4 million anual cases in the US, 450 fatalities! Do you know the other 3,997,549 people who got it that year, as well? 

[richard_smith237]

17 hours ago, CallumWK said:

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

But you weren't forced...  you could have opted out.

 

I recall opting out of the TB vaccination when I was 11 years old at school....    and took it later before travelling overseas.

 

So as an 11 year old child, YOU decided not to take the vaccine, or your parents decided that for you?

 

Correct - at school we were given the option to take the vaccine or opt out.

 

I took the vaccine a few years later at my GP along with other vaccines needed.

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

18 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Research suggests that older fathers may have a higher likelihood of passing on certain genetic mutations to their children, which could contribute to an increased risk of autism..... 

...  But go head, blame that on a vaccine.....

 

 

The probability of older fathers siring genetically weaker children was apparently recognized as far back as 200 years ago.

 

Charles Kingsley referred to it in his historical novel, "Hereward the Wake".

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't agree with you Richard. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

 

You're mixing your melons and its been explained to incredibly clearly.

 

Measles is the disease caused by the by the Morbillivirus....

Morbillivirus is the virus that causes the desease called Measles....

 

- I don't know how that could explained to you any more clearly.

 

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Drinking contaminated water is one of the biggest killers in the world.

 

Agreed... and vaccines are available for most of them (some listed below)

 

Diarrhoeal Diseases – Cause: Bacteria, Viruses, Protozoa – Vaccine: Rotarix, RotaTeq (Rotavirus), Dukoral, Shanchol, Euvichol (Cholera)

 

Typhoid Fever – Cause: Salmonella Typhi (Bacteria) – Vaccine: Typhoid Conjugate Vaccine (TCV), Vi Polysaccharide Vaccine (ViPS), Ty21a (oral)

 

Hepatitis A – Cause: Hepatitis A virus (Virus) – Vaccine: Hepatitis A vaccine

 

Hepatitis E – Cause: Hepatitis E virus (Virus) – Vaccine: Hecolin 

 

Amoebiasis (Dysentery) – Cause: Entamoeba histolytica (Parasite) – Vaccine: None - rarely fatal

 

 

 

 

[gamb00ler]

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Watched the vid. Seems like a advert for Big Pharma.

 

Dr Vin Gupta don't know what he is talking about. Or maybe he does but is being handsomely recompensed for spouting nonsense..

yeah... we're so much better off to have a siloed non-professional guiding us poor AN citizens about communicable diseases... LOL ... and all for free !!!!

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't agree with you Richard. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

 

I don' wish to bring other disagreements in from other threads... 

 

But, neither do you believe the world is an Oblate Spheroid (a globe) instead believing earth to be 'flat with a jaggedy base'...

 

As such, with the utmost respect I can muster on a personal level and none-whatsoever on an intellectual level - any further entertainment of any discussion with you is completely futile because the points you wish to debate drag the discussion down to the utterly preposterous.

 

When you refute basic proven science - you refute the sound fundamentals from which to enter intelligent dialogue and only the preposterous, the ridiculous, and the utterly idiotic remain as potential discussion points...    Its a total waste of time and not even entertaining as a troll... 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Illness is not infectious. Show me evidence that shows me that it is so.

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is nothing of the sort. Documented? What does that mean. There is no such thing as a measles virus. Except in a computer.

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Measles is the disease caused by the morbillivirus....

I don't agree with you Richard. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

In 1963-6 I had measles along with the other 2000 kids in my school. There were zero fatalities or complications. So are you telling up us kids a much weaker than Brit kids?

 

Again, you've relied upon your survivorship bias, this is a cognitive error where you have focused on the "survivors" of a group and ignored all other factors... In this case you have ignored the factor that your 'group' is incredibly small of 2000 kids.

 

There are approximately 10.63 million school age children in the UK.

 

The projections below show with and without the MMR vaccines.

 

In Summary:

Without an MMR vaccine it is likely that 95 children in the UK would die of Measles, with the MMR vaccine, its projected that 1 would..

 

Without an MMR vaccine it is likely that approximately 100,000 children in the UK would be hospitalised, with the MMR vaccine, its projected that approximately 100 would..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Sources: 

^{https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles?utm_source=chatgpt.com}

 

^{https://www.england.nhs.uk/london/2023/09/07/more-than-32000-children-across-london-at-risk-of-catching-measles-as-new-school-term-gets-underway/?utm_source=chatgpt.com}

 

^{https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/measles?utm_source=chatgpt.com}

 

^{https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/mmr-vaccine/?utm_source=chatgpt.com}

 

^{https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com}

 

 

[ElwoodP]

3 posts removed, if you want your post to remain,

1. no calling people names

2. don't quote people calling names

 

Civil and polite at all times please.

[BritManToo]

38 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Again, you've relied upon your survivorship bias, this is a cognitive error where you have focused on the "survivors" of a group and ignored all other factors... In this case you have ignored the factor that your 'group' is incredibly small of 2000 kids.

I'm actually relying on my well fed, clean drinking water and healthy lifestyle as protection for me and my family against trivial disease.

 

You're probably one of those people that thinks the world is overpopulated, so I'm surprised you want more to live! 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You're mixing your melons and its been explained to incredibly clearly.

 

Measles is the disease caused by the by the Morbillivirus....

Morbillivirus is the virus that causes the desease called Measles....

 

- I don't know how that could explained to you any more clearly.

 

 

Agreed... and vaccines are available for most of them (some listed below)

 

Diarrhoeal Diseases – Cause: Bacteria, Viruses, Protozoa – Vaccine: Rotarix, RotaTeq (Rotavirus), Dukoral, Shanchol, Euvichol (Cholera)

 

Typhoid Fever – Cause: Salmonella Typhi (Bacteria) – Vaccine: Typhoid Conjugate Vaccine (TCV), Vi Polysaccharide Vaccine (ViPS), Ty21a (oral)

 

Hepatitis A – Cause: Hepatitis A virus (Virus) – Vaccine: Hepatitis A vaccine

 

Hepatitis E – Cause: Hepatitis E virus (Virus) – Vaccine: Hecolin 

 

Amoebiasis (Dysentery) – Cause: Entamoeba histolytica (Parasite) – Vaccine: None - rarely fatal

You are simply parroting the Big Pharma line.

 

Have to say it again Richard. There is no such entity as measles virus. And because there is no virus; there is little point in a vaxx is there?

 

Measles is just one of a few complaints that can effect younger humans. Often the symptoms are a fever, skin eruptions and loss of appetite. It is often associated with poor gut health. And why should the gut be unhealthy? Well! There are a trillion microbes in the gut. They keep the body in a strict pH balance. There is a narrow spread. Too much one way or the other results in mass expulsion of undesirable cells, tissue and other matter.

 

For more info; keep responding.

[Stiddle Mump]

58 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Without an MMR vaccine it is likely that 95 children in the UK would die of Measles, with the MMR vaccine, its projected that 1 would..

 

Without an MMR vaccine it is likely that approximately 100,000 children in the UK would be hospitalised, with the MMR vaccine, its projected that approximately 100 would.

Utter nonsense.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don' wish to bring other disagreements in from other threads... 

 

But, neither do you believe the world is an Oblate Spheroid (a globe) instead believing earth to be 'flat with a jaggedy base'...

 

As such, with the utmost respect I can muster on a personal level and none-whatsoever on an intellectual level - any further entertainment of any discussion with you is completely futile because the points you wish to debate drag the discussion down to the utterly preposterous.

 

When you refute basic proven science - you refute the sound fundamentals from which to enter intelligent dialogue and only the preposterous, the ridiculous, and the utterly idiotic remain as potential discussion points...    Its a total waste of time and not even entertaining as a troll... 

 

There are many things I do not take for granted. Here are a few:

 

The heart pumps blood.

Gagarin was the first man in space.

Anyone walked on the moon.

A man in a cave, without internet, organised 9/11.

The Titanic sunk.

Viruses exist.

 

Your good arguments have swayed me towards the earth being spherical though Richard.

 

Proven science eh!? Basic medical science is mostly a fraud. There is no evidence that a virus has ever been isolated, let alone cause illness.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

yeah... we're so much better off to have a siloed non-professional guiding us poor AN citizens about communicable diseases... LOL ... and all for free !!!!

You could do a lot worse than read my posts Sir. If you want to be informed that is. If not; there is always the WHO handbook.

 

You are right; free!!

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'm actually relying on my well fed, clean drinking water and healthy lifestyle as protection for me and my family against trivial disease.

 

Good thats something everyone should be relying on to stay healthy... Clean drinking water is a basic human right, as is being able to live in sanitary conditions...  

 

This isn't binary subject - contrary to your implications, viruses can still be spread in clean and sanitary conditions....  to suggest otherwise presents a fundamental lack of understanding of basic science and virology (at very simple levels).

 

I accept that people dislike 'big Pharma'...  but for some reason that clouds the most basic of intelligence when they double down their mentally illiterate arguments against vaccination because 'big Pharma' produced them... 

 

Without big Pharma, many of wouldn't be here.... But I also agree the large Pharmaceutical   companies are also profit driven which does create conflict of interest many of us struggle with.

 

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

You're probably one of those people that thinks the world is overpopulated, so I'm surprised you want more to live! 

 

You're probably one of those people who makes statements that start with "you're probably one of those people....."   which is a Gaslighting Tactic when you're mentally bankrupt of an intelligent response... 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

58 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Have to say it again Richard. There is no such entity as measles virus. And because there is no virus; there is little point in a vaxx is there?

 

READ...  just read this, take in... consider it for a moment and thing...

 

I agree... There is no such thing as a Measles Virus.... I agree with that... Measles is the disease caused by a virus... 

 

Just like there is no such thing as a Covid-19 virus...   Covid-19 was the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Virus.....    Just like a common cold is caused by, Rhinoviruses (most common), Coronaviruses (229E, OC43, NL63, HKU1), Adenoviruses, Enteroviruses etc and many more... 

 

Viruses exist,.. and they cause disease.

Just like AIDs is caused by Human Immunodeficiency Virus type 1 (HIV-1) and type 2 (HIV-2).

 

 

And... then there are a number of viruses which an impact the brain... 

 

>> Rabies virus: Causes Rabies (severe brain inflammation).

>> Herpes simplex virus (HSV-1 & HSV-2): Causes Herpes encephalitis (brain inflammation).

>> Varicella-zoster virus (VZV): Causes Shingles & encephalitis (can damage nerves and brain).

>> Poliovirus: Causes Polio (can lead to paralysis and brainstem damage).

>> Measles virus (MV): Can cause Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (a rarebrain disorder).

>> JC virus: Causes Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) (destroys brain’s white matter, common in immunocompromised people).

>> HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus): Can cause HIV-associated neurocognitive disorder (HAND) (progressive brain damage).

 

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you are suffering one or a number of these latter mentioned diseases.......   

 

 

 

 

I really have to stop replying to you, the brainlessness is mind-numbing..... 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

55 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You could do a lot worse than read my posts Sir. If you want to be informed that is. If not; there is always the WHO handbook.

 

You are right; free!!

 

If we are the sum all all the information we read and assimilate, then your comment is arguable...

'We can't do much worse than read your post' for each one your comments makes us on aggregate a little bit more dumb for simply having read it in the first place !!!!...    

 

 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense.

Like ALL your totally unscientific posts on this Forum.

You have made your point to the one poster who seems to agree with you and nothing you say will ever change the mind(s) of those of use who follow/adhere to scientific approaches to medicine/health.

Can I therefore suggest that now is the time for you to stop wasting both your and our time with your posts on this subject. 

The problem with  going on and on with posts that people ignore is that when you do have something worthwhile to say it will just be ignored automatically.

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

READ...  just read this, take in... consider it for a moment and thing...

 

I agree... There is no such thing as a Measles Virus.... I agree with that... Measles is the disease caused by a virus... 

 

Just like there is no such thing as a Covid-19 virus...   Covid-19 was the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Virus.....    Just like a common cold is caused by, Rhinoviruses (most common), Coronaviruses (229E, OC43, NL63, HKU1), Adenoviruses, Enteroviruses etc and many more... 

 

Viruses exist,.. and they cause disease.

Just like AIDs is caused by Human Immunodeficiency Virus type 1 (HIV-1) and type 2 (HIV-2).

 

 

And... then there are a number of viruses which an impact the brain... 

 

>> Rabies virus: Causes Rabies (severe brain inflammation).

>> Herpes simplex virus (HSV-1 & HSV-2): Causes Herpes encephalitis (brain inflammation).

>> Varicella-zoster virus (VZV): Causes Shingles & encephalitis (can damage nerves and brain).

>> Poliovirus: Causes Polio (can lead to paralysis and brainstem damage).

>> Measles virus (MV): Can cause Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (a rarebrain disorder).

>> JC virus: Causes Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) (destroys brain’s white matter, common in immunocompromised people).

>> HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus): Can cause HIV-associated neurocognitive disorder (HAND) (progressive brain damage).

 

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you are suffering one or a number of these latter mentioned diseases.......   

 

 

 

 

I really have to stop replying to you, the brainlessness is mind-numbing..... 

 

 

Viruses are quite visible with a Scanning Electron Microscope. The flu and corona viruses are distinguishable, based on their morphology.

 

Perhaps I should remind you of the Dilbert aphorism: " Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps I should remind you of the Dilbert aphorism: " Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".

 

I know..... Its oddly addictive trying to work out if someone people are outright idiots or clever trolls... 

.... I shouldn't care, but neither do I waste time...  I could be watching some crappy TV series etc...

I've wasted enough money today investing poorly (not a good day for that).....

 

Thus - the escapism of chatting on he re-sets the brain little before I go too deeply into the rabbit hole of the other 'stuff' I'm doing... 

 

Then...  son gets back from school.... its time for a swim and a beer... perhaps out for dinner and I can forget the idiocy of what I've witnessed on this forum today !!!!