Nightmare in Kursk: Ukrainian Troops Recount Devastating Retreat

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Doesn't matter. My point is Russians are not living in a democracy.

 

Neither are the Americans.

Both live in a republic.

They both hold elections to choose a president.

Elections are important.

[Lacessit]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Actually living standards in Russia are very good. Good food, I kid you not, great bakeries, markets with Lavash bread fresh from the oven. Dachas with saunas.

 

Ok, service is terrible, it is ugly and the weather is awful, but living standards are probably on a par with Australia sans the weather.

Try telling that to the families who have lost their breadwinners to a meat grinder. How many Russians have dachas?

 

Then take a look at average Russian life expectancy. It is ten years less than Australia.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, connda said:

And they keep ignoring the fact that this war was over in April 2022 when Russia and Ukraine had initialed the Istanbul Communiqué

 

or that the war never started had the Minsk accords been implemented, rather that being put forward as a stalling tactic to allow NATO to surge wunder waffles into Ukraine to prepare for their intended war.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Neither are the Americans.

Both live in a republic.

They both hold elections to choose a president.

Elections are important.

Russians are paying a steep price for electing Putin. 21% interest rates as just one example.

 

The price for electing Trump is like a train coming down the tunnel.

[Dan O]

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

By battle strategy do you actually mean battle tactics? Obviously the live war maps do not and cannot deal with this with sometimes only a matter of tens of metres being lost or captured or recaptured. There's a lot of this in this war that is gains and losses measured in metres. They analyze the overall movement of troops, battles, ground taken, ground lost etc. From this one can extrapolate "guess" if you like but a rational guess what the direction the battle, be it in one area or overall, is looking like. As for me posting inaccurate comments I'd love for you to share some of these. If they were inaccurate I'll say I was wrong. If you can't then you should apologise.  I'm not saying I haven't been wrong as I did say I thought the ceasefire would happen quickly. So far no ceasefire but Trump and Putin meet today so let's see what comes out of that. Not a ceasefire I wouldn't think. There will be no ceasefire until the Kursk salient has been totally brought back under Russian control. How long this will be is hard to say but it won't been long the way things are going. 

Go back and read your own comments and see if you can pick out facts from speculation as they are not the same thing.  

[LiamB80]

Let’s see England and France put their money where their big mouths are and put troops in Ukraine then. They cant, UK only has 10000 troops ready and  like 50 tanks. Pathetic woke European militaries completely dependent on the USA. Fight your own battles. I cannot wait for President Trump to drop the deadbeats in Europe and pull out of NATO.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Hahaha not based on his comments on this thread. Saying Russia was is or will win the war doesnt show any understanding of a specific battle. Claiming to see after the fact maps showing that as your "proof" of whats going on in specific battle or being able to gleen what a battle strategy is from them shows how little he knows. Anyone can spout bs using hindsight but still doesn't mean they have knowledge of situation real time.  Use your brain and think. 

It's hindsight then that saying a couple of weeks back that the Kursk salient is in danger and then following that up by saying it's in trouble and following that up by saying it's looking like it's been cut in half and looking like it's going to collapse and following that up saying it's collapsing all before MSM start reporting on a collapse in Kursk IS NOT hindsight. It's being able to use rational thought processes to come to a possible, and as it turns out correct, conclusion. Kursk is collapsing. Coming to a conclusion BEFORE the fact IS NOT hindsight.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I have forgotten more about Russia than you will ever know Lacessit. You and your fellow Ukraine cheerleaders are on the wrong side of history, wouldn't you know?

 

Russia will win this war, Ukraine will lose and all your dreams are just soap bubbles bursting in mid air.

Russia has already lost. An economy in ruins. 87 men to 100 women.

 

You think any Western bank or foreign company will ever put capital or technology into Russia again? There's only China, which has its own problems. Any help it gives Russia will have a hefty price tag.

 

You think Boeing and Airbus will say all is forgiven, we don't care you seized our aircraft? Dream on.

[sharot724]

The President helped by witholding Inteligence while troops repositioned.

All is fair in Love and War

 

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Go back and read your own comments and see if you can pick out facts from speculation as they are not the same thing.  

Ridiculous. The FACT is Kursk is collapsing. The FACT is Russian troops continue to move west. This is not speculation. Keep trying but your pushing the proverbial sht uphill. You still haven't posted my "inaccurate comments" which now seemed to have changed to speculative comment's. Of course in situations of fluidity on a battlefield certainty is often a misplaced belief.

[Hellfire]

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I have forgotten more about Russia than you will ever know Lacessit. You and your fellow Ukraine cheerleaders are on the wrong side of history, wouldn't you know?

 

Russia will win this war, Ukraine will lose and all your dreams are just soap bubbles bursting in mid air.

This is your wishful thinking. 

[NoDisplayName]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Russians are paying a steep price for electing Putin. 21% interest rates as just one example.

 

The price for electing Trump is like a train coming down the tunnel.

 

Irrelevant talking point = Ukraine winning.

 

Shirley, the Ghost of Kiev and his merry band of Snake Island Martyrs are even now advancing on the Kremlin with Steiner leading the way.

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Russia has already lost. An economy in ruins. 87 men to 100 women.

 

You think any Western bank or foreign company will ever put capital or technology into Russia again? There's only China, which has its own problems. Any help it gives Russia will have a hefty price tag.

 

You think Boeing and Airbus will say all is forgiven, we don't care you seized our aircraft? Dream on.

Just how do you think the male population in Ukraine is going?

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Irrelevant talking point = Ukraine winning.

 

Shirley, the Ghost of Kiev and his merry band of Snake Island Martyrs are even now advancing on the Kremlin with Steiner leading the way.

Kiev is advancing on the Kremlin with drones causing extensive damages and fatalities. That will be Ukraine’s strategy and negotiating leverage You seem lightweight on military strategy. 

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Just how do you think the male population in Ukraine is going?

Ukraine males are more willing to fight than Russian males who rather flee to Phuket than fight for Putin. 

[Dan O]

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's hindsight then that saying a couple of weeks back that the Kursk salient is in danger and then following that up by saying it's in trouble and following that up by saying it's looking like it's been cut in half and looking like it's going to collapse and following that up saying it's collapsing all before MSM start reporting on a collapse in Kursk IS NOT hindsight. It's being able to use rational thought processes to come to a possible, and as it turns out correct, conclusion. Kursk is collapsing. Coming to a conclusion BEFORE the fact IS NOT hindsight.

Using after the fact maps to define a battlefield strategy is hindsight and I said that clear several times. For someone thats claiming to be so in tune with the situation you cant read too well.

 

Coming to a conclusion before the fact is called speculation. Whether your speculation comes to be correct or not does not change that its speculation.

[Dan O]

25 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ridiculous. The FACT is Kursk is collapsing. The FACT is Russian troops continue to move west. This is not speculation. Keep trying but your pushing the proverbial sht uphill. You still haven't posted my "inaccurate comments" which now seemed to have changed to speculative comment's. Of course in situations of fluidity on a battlefield certainty is often a misplaced belief.

They're your posts go back and read them. I pointed them out in each of my replies. Comprehension isn't a strong  suit for you is it

[safarimike11]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Ukrainian soldiers who fought in Russia's Kursk region have described their retreat as a nightmare, likening the harrowing experience to scenes from a horror movie. Facing relentless Russian attacks, waves of drones, and devastating artillery fire, troops struggled to withdraw as their forces suffered heavy losses.

 

Extensive accounts from Ukrainian soldiers paint a picture of chaos and desperation as they attempted to escape under constant Russian fire. On March 9, a soldier identified as "Volodymyr" sent a message via Telegram, stating he was still in Sudzha, where panic had set in, and the front lines were collapsing. "Ukrainian troops are trying to leave – columns of troops and equipment. Some of them are burned by Russian drones on the road. It is impossible to leave during the day," he reported.

 

Just a month earlier, the withdrawal routes were passable. By March 9, however, they had fallen under Russian fire control. "In one minute, you can see two to three drones. That's a lot," Volodymyr added. He lamented that Ukrainian forces had relied on a single major road, the Sudzha-Sumy highway, and yet, despite the obvious risk, their commanders were caught off guard when the Russians targeted it.

 

 

By March 11, the battle for control of this critical road was in full force. A soldier identified as "Maksym" reported receiving an order for an "organized retreat" but noted that Russia had amassed a formidable force, including "large numbers of North Korean soldiers." Military analysts estimated that Russia had deployed around 70,000 troops to Kursk, including 12,000 North Koreans. Additionally, Russia had sent its most advanced drone units to the battlefield, employing kamikaze and first-person-view (FPV) drones to dominate logistics routes. Some of these drones were connected via fiber-optic cables, making them impervious to electronic countermeasures.

 

Maksym described the resulting devastation, saying that "the enemy managed to destroy dozens of units of equipment," leading to massive congestion along supply routes. Another soldier, "Anton," described the situation as "catastrophic." Serving at the Kursk front headquarters, he confirmed that Ukrainian forces had lost their drone advantage, while Russian air strikes and troop numbers overwhelmed defenses.

 

"Our logistics no longer work – organized deliveries of weapons, ammunition, food, and water are no longer possible," Anton said. He managed to flee Sudzha on foot under the cover of darkness but recalled barely surviving. "We almost died several times. Drones are in the sky all the time."

 

Anton predicted that Ukraine's foothold in Kursk would soon be lost. "From a military point of view, the Kursk direction has exhausted itself. There is no point in keeping it any more," he concluded.

 

Ukraine had committed approximately 12,000 troops to the Kursk offensive, among them some of its most highly trained forces equipped with Western-supplied tanks and armored vehicles. However, by March 11-12, as the withdrawal continued, the scene became even grimmer. A fourth soldier, "Dmytro," likened the retreat to "a scene from a horror movie."

 

"The roads are littered with hundreds of destroyed cars, armored vehicles, and ATVs. There are a lot of wounded and dead," he recounted. Ukrainian vehicles attempting to flee were hunted by multiple drones, with soldiers forced to abandon their equipment and retreat on foot.

 

Dmytro himself narrowly escaped when the car he was traveling in got stuck. As he and his comrades attempted to free it, they were attacked by an FPV drone. Though the drone missed the vehicle, it wounded one of his fellow soldiers. They were forced to hide in a forest for two hours before rescue arrived.

 

Many Ukrainian troops were left with no choice but to walk 15 to 20 kilometers to safety. What had initially been a "difficult and critical" situation quickly turned "catastrophic," Dmytro said. On March 14, his final message was bleak: "Everything is finished in the Kursk region... the operation was not successful."

 

According to Dmytro’s estimates, thousands of Ukrainian soldiers had lost their lives since the offensive into Russia began in August. As the dust settles on the failed campaign, the loss of Kursk marks another devastating chapter in the ongoing war.

 

Based on a report by BBC  2025-03-18

 

 

Reality check for all the armchair warriors; unfortunately for Ukraine, Russia will never surrender. This is something Starmer and those other fools Europe need to come to terms with.

[Cameroni]

45 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 How many Russians have dachas?

 

Then take a look at average Russian life expectancy. It is ten years less than Australia.

 

About 60 million Russians own dachas, it is quite common.

 

The question was about quality of life, objectively speaking Russians have amazing bakeries. This suprirsed me greatly, something about the French having been brought to Russia for it. Some of the food is really not bad. They have amazing markets. All the mod cons, central heating, washing machines, Honda cars, I mean the quality of life is really not bad there. They have great shashlik joints too.And of course they love to party. I am not saying the food is on a par with Spain, France, Italy, Germany or even the UK, but it is a lot better than Cuba.

 

Yes, if you branch out to life expectancy it is lower, most likely the weather and poor access to health care in the remote areas.

 

But purely on quality of life, an Australian Cole's Bagel or those poor excuses for meat pies in Austrlia have nothing on a Russian shashlik or kotleta.

 

[Cameroni]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Ukraine males are more willing to fight than Russian males who rather flee to Phuket than fight for Putin. 

 

Lol, Ukrainian males are clogging up Poland, UK, Germany and Pattaya, they are running in greater numbers than the Russians.

[Cameroni]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Kiev is advancing on the Kremlin

In your dream world maybe.

 

In reality Russia is routing Ukraine.

[Cameroni]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Russia has already lost. An economy in ruins. 87 men to 100 women.

 

You think any Western bank or foreign company will ever put capital or technology into Russia again? There's only China, which has its own problems. Any help it gives Russia will have a hefty price tag.

 

You think Boeing and Airbus will say all is forgiven, we don't care you seized our aircraft? Dream on.

US 'in secret talks with Putin ally to restart Nord Stream 2 pipeline' two years after it was blown up in sabotage attack

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14454979/US-secret-talks-Putin-ally-restart-Nord-Stream-2-pipeline-two-years-blown-sabotage-attack.html

[Hellfire]

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

About 60 million Russians own dachas, it is quite common.

 

The question was about quality of life, objectively speaking Russians have amazing bakeries. This suprirsed me greatly, something about the French having been brought to Russia for it. Some of the food is really not bad. They have amazing markets. All the mod cons, central heating, washing machines, Honda cars, I mean the quality of life is really not bad there. They have great shashlik joints too.And of course they love to party. I am not saying the food is on a par with Spain, France, Italy, Germany or even the UK, but it is a lot better than Cuba.

 

Yes, if you branch out to life expectancy it is lower, most likely the weather and poor access to health care in the remote areas.

 

But purely on quality of life, an Australian Cole's Bagel or those poor excuses for meat pies in Austrlia have nothing on a Russian shashlik or kotleta.

 

  What about those imprisoned for a post on social media? What about total government control over the population? It seems like factors like these aren’t considered in your evaluation of quality of life. I wonder why. Could it be because you’ve never lived under such oppressive conditions? This is a perfect example of MAGA-style shortsightedness when it comes to understanding the rest of the world.

  By the way, unlike you and your like-minded peers here, Putin is far from certain that he is absolutely right. That’s precisely why he keeps a tight grip on the population and bombards them with endless streams of propaganda. Any dissent is immediately suppressed and punished.

[NoDisplayName]

19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Kiev is advancing on the Kremlin with drones causing extensive damages and fatalities. That will be Ukraine’s strategy and negotiating leverage You seem lightweight on military strategy. 

 

They're following the ol' playbook.

 

Lose catastrophically in Kursk.

Send buzzbombs to the capital to terrorize civilians.

Little leader dressing in military fatigues for the duration.

 

Only question remaining, has Zelensky coordinated his escape to Brazil?

[NoDisplayName]

6 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

What about those imprisoned for a post on social media? What about total government control over the population?

 

What does oppression in the UK have to do with this?

[Hellfire]

8 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

They're following the ol' playbook.

 

Lose catastrophically in Kursk.

Send buzzbombs to the capital to terrorize civilians.

Little leader dressing in military fatigues for the duration.

 

Only question remaining, has Zelensky coordinated his escape to Brazil?

My guess is that Putin is shorter than Zelensky. And just a few days ago, I saw footage of this minuscule dictator visiting the Kursk region, dressed in military unifoRm. Be more specific.

[Hellfire]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

What does oppression in the UK have to do with this?

Unlike those MAGA clowns, your replies make me think you’re just on a work shift here.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Using after the fact maps to define a battlefield strategy is hindsight and I said that clear several times. For someone thats claiming to be so in tune with the situation you cant read too well.

 

Coming to a conclusion before the fact is called speculation. Whether your speculation comes to be correct or not does not change that its speculation.

That is simply absurd. Do you you think that maps are made before the the troops move. The war maps are adjusted daily from collecting intel from multiple sources. The analysts then come out with their maps on a usually daily basis. Do you think there's some sort of instant map?  Not all maps will be exactly the same, however, as there can be some bias but overall a picture can be gained. You really have no idea how these things work and my guess is you've never looked at a live war map. They're called live war maps because they're as up to date as possible not because it's somehow some instant live map upload from the battlefield. As for coming to a conclusion before something has happened that's how conclusions are come to. Look at facts, evidence, trends etc. and then formulate a conclusion. Yes this is speculation but it's not pure speculation or guess work. There is a basis of rationality and critical thinking to speculation whereas pure speculation has no basis of rationality or critical thinking. It's purely a guess. I didn't guess Kursk would collapse.

[dinsdale]

36 minutes ago, Dan O said:

They're your posts go back and read them. I pointed them out in each of my replies. Comprehension isn't a strong  suit for you is it

No you haven't. All you keep saying is hindsight, inaccuracies and speculation. You haven't shown a single example by way of a direct quote. Why don't you do this? I'd love to see. As I said if I was wrong I'll put my hands up to it. Direct quotes please.

[Lacessit]

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

About 60 million Russians own dachas, it is quite common.

 

The question was about quality of life, objectively speaking Russians have amazing bakeries. This suprirsed me greatly, something about the French having been brought to Russia for it. Some of the food is really not bad. They have amazing markets. All the mod cons, central heating, washing machines, Honda cars, I mean the quality of life is really not bad there. They have great shashlik joints too.And of course they love to party. I am not saying the food is on a par with Spain, France, Italy, Germany or even the UK, but it is a lot better than Cuba.

 

Yes, if you branch out to life expectancy it is lower, most likely the weather and poor access to health care in the remote areas.

 

But purely on quality of life, an Australian Cole's Bagel or those poor excuses for meat pies in Austrlia have nothing on a Russian shashlik or kotleta.

 

If life in Russia is so great, why are alcoholism and crime spiking since the invasion?

 

https://jamestown.org/program/russia-faces-spike-in-crime-and-alcoholism-as-war-nears-two-year-mark/#:~:text=Russia's war against Ukraine has,and mirroring Soviet-era trends.&text=The spike in alcoholism correlates,2023%2C the highest since 2011.

 

You obviously have never had a steak and onion pie from Bertoldo's Bakery in Griffith.