Why DOGE is Struggling To Find fraud in Social Security

[Dan O]

11 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

So you have law enforcement experience in the US?  Back then I was the police.  So in your view I am the "stupid" guy for approachiing a suspicious vehcile with my weapon drawn.  Of couurse this is based upon on your  experience as a police officer in a major US city for years?   Any other pearls of wisdom on law enforcement tactics would you like to express at this time?

SOP for fellow Law Enforcement agencies to notify the agency in the city that they are conducting any activity with a point of a contact.  The exact nature of the operation does not have to disclosed.  

SOP is to notify the local law enforcement your conducting operations in for most but not all cases, not the average Joe blow on the street.

 

First off i dont recall you ever saying you were law enforcement, you said you and your buddy pulled them out at gun point.

 

Second, unless you were in uniform yeah it was a majorly stupid move and you are lucky you weren't shot as the UC's wouldn't have known you were law enforcement. Whats your SOP for that. Go in guns blazing, I don't think so. 

Based on your responses I question if you were in law enforcement and if you were you sound to be not too well trained.

[gargamon]

4 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

SSA actually has Fraud Investigation Units throughout the country. I saw one in action in LA years ago. The team was targeting a guy on SSDI due to back injury.  He was collecting benefits  but the team got a tip that this guy was working.  The lead agent told me they needed hours and hours of surveillance in order to file a fraud case with a US Attorney.  In this particular case the fraud guy was working at his wife's restaurant and they had him under surveillance for a month before filing the case with the US Attorney.  This is how cumbersome it was or possibly still is to prosecute SSDI fraudsters. 

I believe Musk fired that unit.

[sqwakvfr]

15 minutes ago, Dan O said:

SOP is to notify the local law enforcement your conducting operations in for most but not all cases, not the average Joe blow on the street.

 

First off i dont recall you ever saying you were law enforcement, you said you and your buddy pulled them out at gun point.

 

Second, unless you were in uniform yeah it was a majorly stupid move and you are lucky you weren't shot as the UC's wouldn't have known you were law enforcement. Whats your SOP for that. Go in guns blazing, I don't think so. 

Based on your responses I question if you were in law enforcement and if you were you sound to be not too well trained.

1) I said Partner and not "buddy"

2) I was in uniform and in a marked police vehicle and it was daytime.

3) Not well trained? This is based upon your training and experience? 

4) Drawing a weapons is not "guns blazing".  

5) The on duty watch commander is generally the person would be notifeid of any allied LE operations in the jurisdiction. This is SOP. 

[sqwakvfr]

5 minutes ago, gargamon said:

I believe Musk fired that unit.

I would think so.  The Fraud Investigation Unit Lead I spoke to said they were a low priority even back then (late 1990's).   He said at best his team could only take on 4 to 5 cases per year.  This could mean many other cases of fraud were untouched.  Strengthening and expanding fraud investigative units might have been a bette way to go? 

[pomchop]

5 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

SSA actually has Fraud Investigation Units throughout the country. I saw one in action in LA years ago. The team was targeting a guy on SSDI due to back injury.  He was collecting benefits  but the team got a tip that this guy was working.  The lead agent told me they needed hours and hours of surveillance in order to file a fraud case with a US Attorney.  In this particular case the fraud guy was working at his wife's restaurant and they had him under surveillance for a month before filing the case with the US Attorney.  This is how cumbersome it was or possibly still is to prosecute SSDI fraudsters. 

Sure some cases require surveillance etc....but other cases like claiming that a dead person is still being sent checks yet someone is cashing the checks ...it is not rocket science for investigators to prove if the person is indeed dead or alive. 

 

Far as I know there are plenty of databases that list all deaths in usa.  And if determined by a five minute data search that the person is dead it should not take very long at all to first immediately stop the checks and then determine who is getting the checks at his address or via transfer. 

 

I would guess barney fife could figure that out in a few days. 

 

Maybe eliminating the FBI is not such a great idea if we are overrun with fraudsters stealing billions of dollars of soc sec money. 

 

Maybe most of  the fraud claims are just a bunch of hyped up BS to make it seem that musk can waive his magic wand and declare fraud with little to no evidence?

 

Problem is that musk is screaming massive  fraud fraud fraud but so far has not named names and as far as i know zero investigation into specific fraud claims has been done...if they have been done by the admins new crackerjack FBI team it is sure taking a long time for arrests and charges to be filed.  

[Purdey]

Finding fraud is great! Fraudsters are soooo bad and should be prosecuted under the full weight of the law. How many court cases has DOGE planned for?