Does the U.S. Even Have Real Allies Anymore Under Trump 2.0?

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1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You lefties should put every normal poster on ignore. Then start 1000 more anti Trump topics. 

But that would still leave the lefties with you. And without themselves.

[still kicking]

7 hours ago, Terrance8812 said:

Bizarre statement. Is English your first language or are you just totally confused?

Just a nutter

[Tug]

7 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Putin viewed Biden as pathetic. He was right.

Yea rite lmao!!let’s just take a little peek a boo at that shall we??lmao sooo let’s seeee hummm 2 new top tier nato members (both advanced nations in incredibly important places geographically) btw  Ukraine with the tools provided by us and Europe absolutely humiliated the Russian military exposeing their inferior weapons and leadership all for less than 5% of our defense budget + the money stays here replenishing our stocks….not to mention it’s the American thing to do.naa I think you got that one ass backwards putin is playing trump like a fiddle it’s to the point that many of us think he’s at best a fool or at worst a straight up traitor.

[Terrance8812]

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Nope. I actually know a couple of Trump voters. As long as we stay away from politics we get along just fine.

I can imagine if you stick to unimportant topics and just superficial discussions then it's possibly alright. 

[Terrance8812]

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

There's some interesting stuff in this video that explains what Trump is doing.

The tariffs are a tactic to bring countries to the negotiating table, according to this analyst.

 

 

It's a heavily flawed plan. America is no longer a manufacturing country. And for good reason. Most of its wealth over the last 50 years was built from services and technology. Trying to reverse that now makes no sense. Profits from manufacturing are far lower than profits from services and technology. so it makes no sense to return to physically labor-intensive industries, especially when much of it can be handled in countries with a combination of lower labor costs and manufacturing automation.
 

Also, the Trump administration will spend far more over the next four years than the Biden administration did over the previous four years. So this notion of reducing the world's dependence on buying American debt is seemingly impossible.
 

And then the whole tariff concept, that was already been proven not to work in the USA nearly 100 years ago. It was the direct cause of the great depression in the 1930s and that's why the world now realizes that there are no winners in trade wars, only losers.

 

Also, the only way to devalue the dollar is to reduce inflation and reduce interest rate rates, but everything Trump is doing seemingly will have the opposite effect. So it seems more likely than not that the US dollar will remain strong for the duration of his presidency. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There's only one effective way to deal with such a poster - do not reply to them.  The following very sage advice can be found online:

 

 

Thank you.

 

I only see his posts if somebody replies to him.

 

Because that is the only time I see them, he and it doesn't bother me anymore. I used to respond but I found that his posts were getting stranger every time.

 

There are still a couple of posters that I read, simply for the entertainment and laughter value and most days they post wilder and wilder stories, but add little or nothing to the value of any thread they post on.

[Terrance8812]

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

Put him on ignore. Starve him of a response.

 

He is already in a world of his own.

And a very strange, angry, frustrated, trolling and sad world at that. Not to mention filled with false and disinformation. I just put him on ignore. Sage advice. Thank you. 

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Nope. I actually know a couple of Trump voters. As long as we stay away from politics we get along just fine.

That's probably impossible for you

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8 hours ago, Purdey said:

Why do people always devolve to exchanging personal insults when they can't Google some facts? 

MTH (must try harder) 

Because they've got nothing factual to offer.

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3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That's probably impossible for you

And another personal comment. Running on empty much?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

And another personal comment. Running on empty much?

Nice logic, complain about somebody else's personal comment and then make one yourself. Then have one of your boys give you a congratulatory emoji.

 

Hey how about that hostage just getting released over in Afghanistan thanking president Trump. How do you feel about that?

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1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Nice logic, complain about somebody else's personal comment and then make one yourself. Then have one of your boys give you a congratulatory emoji.

 

Hey how about that hostage just getting released over in Afghanistan thanking president Trump. How do you feel about that?

I think someone needs to explain to you what is a personal comment and what isn't. 

What does a hostage release have to do with the topic here. Deflecting much?

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I think someone needs to explain to you what is a personal comment and what isn't. 

What does a hostage release have to do with the topic here. Deflecting much?

Nope just enjoying the winning, another American rescued from the scum that some folks here support.

 

Looks like we have Dubai as our ally. And Saudi Arabia,  Counties that have meaning.

 

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7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Nope just enjoying the winning, another American rescued from the scum that some folks here support.

 

Looks like we have Dubai as our ally. And Saudi Arabia,  Counties that have meaning.

 

Countries ruled by autocrats where most citizens have virtually no say in what their government does.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Countries ruled by autocrats where citizens have virtually no say

Like the EU? Like in Romania and Germany?

 

The only good autocrats are the ones whose ideology you approve of: China for example.

 

Or that mini dictator Zelinsky?

 

Tell us how you feel about Hamas and Iran?

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8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Like the EU? Like in Romania and Germany?

 

The only good autocrats are the ones whose ideology you approve of: China for example.

 

Or that mini dictator Zelinsky?

 

Tell us how you feel about Hamas and Iran?

Yes the vicious autocracy that is the EU. I still remember how they brutally squelched the UK's attempt to no longer be a member. 

And doesn't Germany have a new right of center government now?

And your claim that I am somehow a supporter of China is just a huge falsehood. I have consistently criticized China for its attempt to export its way out of its currenteconomic difficulties, Its repression of private industry in favor of government backed companies, its aggressive policies towards its neighbors, and its repression of its citizenry.

I wholeheartedly supported the Biden administration's tough stance against China as I did Trump's weaker opposition to the Chinese government in his first term. 

But you like Trump, apparently go weak in the knees when it comes to an alliance with a vicious autocrat  like MbS Do you share Trump's admiration of murderous autocrats like Putin?

 

[rough diamond]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

And another personal comment. Running on empty much?

That is all it ever does. 

I have given up having anything to do with it;s one track Trump filled so called brain/mind.

[phetphet]

The behaviour of current US administration and its supporters reminds me of that old Millwall FC chant: "No one likes us, we don't care."

But with India and China now cosying up, Canada's response to Trump's threats, and many other countries turning away from the US and finding alternative markets, they have aided the one thing they really didn't want: The ascendance of China, where Trump is viewed as a good thing for them..

 

The US doesn't have all the resources it needs, that's why it is after Ukraine's and also Greenland. Even if it re-tools and modernises it's manufacturing bases, which could take years, it will find it difficult to re-enter lost markets. 

 

On top of that, it's use of the USD as a weapon of control has caused both the birth of BRICS and the BRICS alternative payment system, and therefore it's likely loss as the international currency. 

 

NATO is still there, but Trump's own words show he doesn't think much of its usefulness, and Vance and Hegseth's opinions of their allies are now public.

 

They may still have said allies for now, but the way they are going, not for much longer. The silly little UK might try and stand on the fence, torn between the US and Europe, but IMHO will eventually pick Europe due to Trump's favouring of Russia.

 

No one likes a bully. Let's see what happens on 02/04.

 

[hotsun]

A peasant thread with a bunch of peasants opinions. I think ill skip reading it

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And doesn't Germany have a new right of center government now?

No. You need to read some news outside your bubble.

 

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And your claim that I am somehow a supporter of China is just a huge falsehood.

You y favour them over the free worlds only champion. You hate America. Nuff said.

 

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you share Trump's admiration of murderous autocrats like Putin?

Trump doesnt admire him qua him. He admires (if thats the right word) certain qualities. You probably arent familiar with American culture, but many of us "admire" folks whose behavior is problematical. John Gotti, a murderous scumbag criminal that took his punishment and didnt rat. Smedley Butler, a war hero and disgusting communist. Mike Tyson, Lawrence Taylor, John Dillinger, Wyatt Earp, Buggsy Siegel, Richard Nixon, George Washington, George Custer, our history is replete with scumbags who are heroes or who are heroes despite being scumbags.

 

Hitler and  Mussolini made the trains run on time. George Washington massacred sleeping troops and founded a country.  Putin survived a pond of sharks and has kept the world shaking with nothing. The man is a murderous, amoral barbarian that probably derves to die but he is cunning and intelligent and I for one "admire" the way he has played the world and the west.

 

 

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

That is all it ever does. 

I have given up having anything to do with it;s one track Trump filled so called brain/mind.

Well yeah, you have never provided any facts or law or even cogent analysis to dispute anything "it" ever says. Giving up is a defense mechanism to prevent your further humiliation.

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1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Or that mini dictator Zelinsky?

I forgot about this falsehood of yours. In fact, the Ukrainian parliament is still in existence and is still periodically authorizing martial law as their Constitution prescribes:

 

How Ukraine’s Parliament Functions during Wartime

"The Ukrainian constitution requires parliament to stay in session until martial law is lifted. Even if the parliamentary term ends while martial law is in effect, parliament must continue to function until postwar elections are held."

"Martial law has been extended nine times, and each time, all political factions in parliament have supported the initiative."

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/how-ukraines-parliament-functions-during-wartime

 

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50 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No. You need to read some news outside your bubble.

"No. You need to read some news outside your bubble."

Actually, what you need to do is provide something called evidence. If you want to see an example of what that actually looks like here it is:

 

Trump celebrates conservative party win in Germany
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz conceded the election on Sunday

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-celebrates-conservative-party-win-germany

 

Are you claiming that Trump got it wrong?

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I forgot about this falsehood of yours. In fact, the Ukrainian parliament is still in existence and is still periodically authorizing martial law as their Constitution prescribes:

 

How Ukraine’s Parliament Functions during Wartime

"The Ukrainian constitution requires parliament to stay in session until martial law is lifted. Even if the parliamentary term ends while martial law is in effect, parliament must continue to function until postwar elections are held."

"Martial law has been extended nine times, and each time, all political factions in parliament have supported the initiative."

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/how-ukraines-parliament-functions-during-wartime

 

Oh defending Zelinsky too? LOL. What is he some white knight hero? Hey didnt Stalin have elections every souple of years?

 

https://thecatholicherald.com/zelenskys-move-against-the-ukrainian-orthodox-church-is-a-step-too-far/

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54 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No. You need to read some news outside your bubble.

 

You y favour them over the free worlds only champion. You hate America. Nuff said.

 

Trump doesnt admire him qua him. He admires (if thats the right word) certain qualities. You probably arent familiar with American culture, but many of us "admire" folks whose behavior is problematical. John Gotti, a murderous scumbag criminal that took his punishment and didnt rat. Smedley Butler, a war hero and disgusting communist. Mike Tyson, Lawrence Taylor, John Dillinger, Wyatt Earp, Buggsy Siegel, Richard Nixon, George Washington, George Custer, our history is replete with scumbags who are heroes or who are heroes despite being scumbags.

 

Hitler and  Mussolini made the trains run on time. George Washington massacred sleeping troops and founded a country.  Putin survived a pond of sharks and has kept the world shaking with nothing. The man is a murderous, amoral barbarian that probably derves to die but he is cunning and intelligent and I for one "admire" the way he has played the world and the west.

 

 

Has trump ever sharply criticized him?  So there's no ambiguity there.

And stop projecting. Who authorized you to speak for what Americans admire and what they don't? Unfortunately, admiration for brutal dictators isn't confined to America. And revulsion towards them isn't absent from America either.

[Yagoda]

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12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump celebrates conservative party win in Germany
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz conceded the election on Sunday

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-celebrates-conservative-party-win-germany

 

Are you claiming that Trump got it wrong?

 

Was that before or after the CDU began to accelerate the efforts to ban the Afd?

 

Did you actually  read what Trump wrote on Truth Social?

 

You should put me on ignore

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"You y favour them over the free worlds only champion. You hate America. Nuff said."

How exactly do I favor the Chinese govt over "the free worlds only champion"? More drivel from you.

And given Trump's favorable treatment of autocracies over democracies, how does the United States under his leadership count as "the free worlds only champion"?

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Who authorized you to speak for what Americans admire and what they don't? 

Im an American and have lived there.

 

You surely dont speak for Americans. Do you admire George Washington despite his murderous actions?  Martin Luther King despite his womanizing? Richard Nixon despite his lying?

 

 

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16 hours ago, bannork said:

Vance, a man without charm.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/danish-first-minister-responds-after-vance-stakes-us-claim-for-greenland-we-dont-appreciate-your-tone/vi-AA1BTqHc?ocid=socialshare&t=58

Without charm is putting it very mildly, did you see the clip on YouTube of him visiting that donut store? Not only is he without charm, but without the ability to even relate to a human being earning less than a million dollars a year. This guy is bad news, and he was a horrific selection for VP. His bluster, his arrogance, and his incompetence is showing itself daily, he is an embarrassment to the US. He is an abomination.