Investors are stunned after the stock market closed its worst quarter in 3 years

[FlorC]

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Hopefully, we're in store for another V-shaped recovery in the markets, especially in the tech sector. There's a lot of money that has to be invested somewhere, and the Fed isn't about to raise interest rates to entice investors into the bond market.  Think stagflation.  The Fed will choose lower rates, for sure. Look for gold, silver, and commodities to do OK with the inflation we'll be seeing, and look for tech stocks to bounce back.  Their correction is almost over, if not over already.  The AI revolution is just getting started. 

 

Just my opinion, but why not?  What's the alternative?  Cash under the mattress?  

For small amounts , but cash devalues all the time.

Can't use it to buy expensive things , can't take it to or from the bank without questions (well not here in Thailand, but in europe).

Risk of outlawing when CBDC become mandatory.

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Yes gold and zilver miners, Uranium and copper too.

Trouble with stocks is : you can't hold them in your hands.

Just some numbers at your bank or brokerage firm.

Yes.  But think for a minute. If the world ever gets to the point where only people with physical gold and silver or other commodities have any kind of "money," we're all in trouble.   We'd be back to the stone ages and no one is really prepared for that. 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

40% of Russell companies lose money. They will always go down in a bear market the most. Since the GFC low only been 1 major sell off which was covid.

 

Only an idiot would think the bull runs can continue non stop with 120% debt.

 

Exactly but bar the Covid dip, this has already been a 15 year bull market, pumped up by the most extreme money printing in history most of this period, as well as being further encouraged by mostly near zero interest rates. After this, the broad US markets are all due for a major correction, with or without Trump. The dollar is step-sliding and will go down too .. then down more.

 

Nearly everyone ignores the debt, with the unfunded liabilities being at least triple that of the official (gov) debt.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Exactly but bar the Covid dip, this has already been a 15 year bull market, pumped up by the most extreme money printing in history most of this period, as well as being further encouraged by mostly near zero interest rates. After this, the broad US markets are all due for a major correction, with or without Trump. The dollar is step-sliding and will go down too .. then down more.

 

Nearly everyone ignores the debt, with the unfunded liabilities being at least triple that of the official (gov) debt.

Yes it has to fall. Elliott wave guy last year said it was the 5th wave of the 5th wave.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Yes.  But think for a minute. If the world ever gets to the point where only people with physical gold and silver or other commodities have any kind of "money," we're all in trouble.   We'd be back to the stone ages and no one is really prepared for that. 

 

Except for the metal stackers.

[FlorC]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Yes.  But think for a minute. If the world ever gets to the point where only people with physical gold and silver or other commodities have any kind of "money," we're all in trouble.   We'd be back to the stone ages and no one is really prepared for that. 

Yes but the ones with gold and silver will be less in trouble.

 

I'd rather pay with some silver coins than a bitcoin app on a phone or internet that doesn't work, if in such a world anyone would still accept those crypto's.

[BLMFem]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Exactly but bar the Covid dip, this has already been a 15 year bull market, pumped up by the most extreme money printing in history most of this period, as well as being further encouraged by mostly near zero interest rates. After this, the broad US markets are all due for a major correction, with or without Trump. The dollar is step-sliding and will go down too .. then down more.

 

Nearly everyone ignores the debt, with the unfunded liabilities being at least triple that of the official (gov) debt.

Yes, we are indeed in uncertain times, economically and politically. Good thing we have such a steady hand on the rudder tiller, not creating any doubt or uncertainty whatsoever. No flip-flopping or 180's at all - no siree Bob!

[FlorC]

Why is it so hard for the anti-Trumpers to understand he wants a level playingfield and bring manufacturing back home ?

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, we are indeed in uncertain times, economically and politically. Good thing we have such a steady hand on the rudder tiller, not creating any doubt or uncertainty whatsoever. No flip-flopping or 180's at all - no siree Bob!

 

That only helps when the ship doesn't already have a 15-year old hole, the size of a bus, below the waterline. 

[WorriedNoodle]

49 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Trouble with stocks is : you can't hold them in your hands.

And you are allowed to vote?

 

[KireB]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

What drugs are you on?

Are you?

[KireB]

44 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Why is it so hard for the anti-Trumpers to understand he wants a level playingfield and bring manufacturing back home ?

He can't have level playing ground without a free economy.

Let me explain: the US 'prints' dollars whenever it feels it needs to without any real consequences to its value. The petro-status keeps its value artificially high. and that is not a free market economy, that's manipulation and cheating.

Also, how much debt is the limit? This feels like a ponzi scheme 

I would love to see the trade in oil in a more neutral  currency (Bitcoin or Yuan?) and , not the dollar. The American century is over.

[Harrisfan]

9 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

And you are allowed to vote?

 

8% 

[KhunLA]

I believe that is called 'fake news' ...   

 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=s%26p+500+history+chart&num=10&newwindow=1&sca_esv=6a9fea083e3aea47&sxsrf=AHTn8zpcM1-Rpr9Ru7eJb3V2xG0MkXgHkg%3A1743582597468&ei=hfXsZ66mHMGeseMPj5uz2Q4&ved=0ahUKEwju_O6q97iMAxVBT2wGHY_NLOsQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=s%26p+500+history+chart&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFXMmcCA1MDAgaGlzdG9yeSBjaGFydDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBRgeSJkiUABYyRlwAHgBkAEAmAGLAaABlgWqAQM1LjK4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAskFwgIIEAAYBRgHGB7CAggQABgIGA0YHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIKEAAYBxgIGAoYHpgDAJIHAzQuM6AHjDWyBwM0LjO4B8kF&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[BLMFem]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

8% 

Hard to resist the cackling, is it?

[BLMFem]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I believe that is called 'fake news' ...   

 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=s%26p+500+history+chart&num=10&newwindow=1&sca_esv=6a9fea083e3aea47&sxsrf=AHTn8zpcM1-Rpr9Ru7eJb3V2xG0MkXgHkg%3A1743582597468&ei=hfXsZ66mHMGeseMPj5uz2Q4&ved=0ahUKEwju_O6q97iMAxVBT2wGHY_NLOsQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=s%26p+500+history+chart&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFXMmcCA1MDAgaGlzdG9yeSBjaGFydDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBRgeSJkiUABYyRlwAHgBkAEAmAGLAaABlgWqAQM1LjK4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAskFwgIIEAAYBRgHGB7CAggQABgIGA0YHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIKEAAYBxgIGAoYHpgDAJIHAzQuM6AHjDWyBwM0LjO4B8kF&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

...he said, posting fake news and the longest link in AN history.

[Bannoi]

European defence stocks are way up one example Rheinmetall up 119%. 

 

Then there’s Rolls-Royce Holdings (UK) Thales Group (France) Leonardo (Italy) Saab (Sweden) BAE Systems (UK) all up - the main question to ask is have they peaked.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Why is it so hard for the anti-Trumpers to understand he wants a level playing field and bring manufacturing back home ?

Who is going to pay for recreating the factories? Will the factories have enough margin to pay living wages and healthcare? Why would anyone try to compete with Asia for manufacturing? Tariffs are just going to give a short term revenue boost so Musk can justify his tax rebates. Why are the MAGAs stupid enough to believe in Trump bumper stickers?

[Harrisfan]

23 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Who is going to pay for recreating the factories? Will the factories have enough margin to pay living wages and healthcare? Why would anyone try to compete with Asia for manufacturing? Tariffs are just going to give a short term revenue boost so Musk can justify his tax rebates. Why are the MAGAs stupid enough to believe in Trump bumper stickers?

Cambodia will pay

[sammieuk1]

Surely not the work of a 6 times bankrupt convicted sex offender is it 🤔

 

[MarkyM3]

Interesting how Trump took credit for stock market increases in his 1st term and lambasted the economic performance of Biden, including inflation which he had no control over, and yet his see-saw tariff frenzy has disturbed market confidence and triggers price increases for imported goods which are going to hit US Joe Public, some of his own supporters, hard. The US markets under Biden generally did very well because he largely left alone and let the Fed drive policy and private companies do their thing. 

 

Thankfully the Fed is still out of his hands, though I'm sure he'd like that to change. Financial markets require credibility and transparency, meanwhile he still thinks he's running The Apprentice or something.

 

Also interesting how his cheerleaders here now try to swat current events away as market disturbance. Don't remember Trump promising this stuff in his election pronouncements.

 

Trump has got some good ideas about border controls and anti-woke policies but he's been bankrupt 6 times and some of the stuff he comes out with is laughably stupid. He strikes me as totally insincere and with a giant ego. Surely the GOP could have found a far better candidate than this guy. The Dems would have been defeated by any semi competent candidate

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3 hours ago, jas007 said:

Yes.  But think for a minute. If the world ever gets to the point where only people with physical gold and silver or other commodities have any kind of "money," we're all in trouble.   We'd be back to the stone ages and no one is really prepared for that. 

I don't know. Given the conduct of some of the members here, I'd say many of them have never left it.

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, MarkyM3 said:

Interesting how Trump took credit for stock market increases in his 1st term and lambasted the economic performance of Biden, including inflation which he had no control over, and yet his tariff frenzy has disturbed market confidence and triggers price increases for imported goods are going to hit Joe Public hard. The US markets under Biden generally did very well because he largely left alone and let the Fed drive policy and private companies do their thing. 

 

Thankfully the Fed is still out of his hands. Financial markets require credibility and transparency, meanwhile he still thinks he's running The Apprentice or something.

 

Also interesting how his cheerleaders here now try to swat current events away as market disturbance. Don't remember Trump promising this stuff in his election pronouncements.

 

Trump has got some good ideas about border controls and anti-woke policies but he's been bankrupt 6 times and some of the stuff he comes out with is laughably stupid. He strikes me as totally insincere and with a giant ego. Surely the GOP could have found a far better candidate than this guy. The Dems would have been defeated by any semi competent candidate

Biden had no control over inflation. What a stupid comment.

[MarkyM3]

 

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Biden had no control over inflation. What a stupid comment.

Really....how come it was a worldwide phenomenon then, Einstein?

 

Oil price spikes, commodity price spikes due to C19 and Ukraine war ring a bell? 

 

And...you'll find the Fed is responsible for interest rate policy, not Biden. Interest rates are they main tool used, as you should be aware. 

 

Thick as mince like most MAGA cheerleaders. Seem to recall a debate on here about Biden and the price of Spam lol. Said a lot.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, MarkyM3 said:

 

Really....how come it was a worldwide phenomenon then, Einstein?

 

Oil price spikes, commodity price spikes due to C19 and Ukraine war ring a bell? 

 

And...you'll find the Fed is responsible for interest rate policy, not Biden. Interest rates are they main tool used, as you should be aware. 

 

Thick as mince like most MAGA cheerleaders. Seem to recall a debate on here about Biden and the price of Spam lol. Said a lot.

Clueless

[MarkyM3]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Clueless

Really. Why don't you debunk my points then in a logical fashion?

 

I'm a trained economist btw so I'd say I'm not clueless. And if u read my post above, I'm to the right of the political spectrum. But Trump is a charlatan imo, the GOP could have got a much better candidate. Not fit to lace the shoes of Reagan etc. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, MarkyM3 said:

Really. Why don't you debunk my points then in a logical fashion?

 

I'm a trained economist btw so I'd say I'm not clueless. 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate-?continent=g20

[MarkyM3]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate-?continent=g20

Still waiting....a link containing a list of inflation rates means sweet FA 😄 You can't debate my friend. Clueless in your words. 

[Harrisfan]

Just now, MarkyM3 said:

Still waiting....a link containing a list of inflation rates means sweet FA 😄 You can't debate my friend. Clueless in your words. 

So you really are dumb. 13 nations in g20 with lower rates yet you claim Biden had no control over it 

[MarkyM3]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

So you really are dumb. 13 nations in g20 with lower rates yet you claim Biden had no control over it 

Every country has different needs and capabilities given a certain set of circumstances - ever considered that? Try harder...like how did Biden directly impact on inflation? That would be a good start.