Trump Wants to Remove US Citizens from the US

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 4/11/2025 at 12:30 PM, impulse said:

If you're talking about illegal immigrants, that authority is vested in the Executive Branch.  Always has been.

 

Not without due process though, according to the US Supreme Court ruling recently handed down - so therefore not in the way the Trump administration did it.

 

This ruling states (inter alia):

 

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“It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Renobv. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). So, the detainees are entitled to notice and opportunity to be heard “appropriate to the nature of the case.” Mullane v. Central Hanover Bank & Trust Co., 339 U. S. 306, 313 (1950). More specifically, in this context, AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs.

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf

[ThreeCardMonte]

13 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

From Google’s AI:

 

“There isn't a specific law that prevents U.S. citizens from being expelled from the country.”

 

You appear to be special needs so I’ll throw you a bone.

 

Research the 14th amendment.

 

I can present it to you but you must be capable of comprehending.

 

If you’re still confused, no one can help you.

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

13 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

From Google’s AI:

 

“There isn't a specific law that prevents U.S. citizens from being expelled from the country.”

 

So you’re saying there’s a specific law that says a U.S. citizen can be deported.

 

Which law is that?

 

Deported to where exactly?

[ThreeCardMonte]

13 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

From Google’s AI:

 

“There isn't a specific law that prevents U.S. citizens from being expelled from the country.”

 

So you’re saying there’s a specific law that says a U.S. citizen can be deported.

 

Which law is that?

 

Deported to where exactly?

[ThreeCardMonte]

5 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Based on the recent US Supreme Court ruling, it should have been impossible to deport nearly 300 detainees to El Salvador without affording them due process first but the Trump administration just blithely went ahead and did it anyway. 

 

What used to be or what should be impossible is no longer a reliable guide these days.

The illegal alien criminal gang members allowed illegal entry under the Biden administration circumvented the “due process “ of properly applying for legally immigrating to the USA.

 

They are entitled to your version of “due process “.

 

”Due process “ was served when the criminals were rounded up and removed.

 

 

[impulse]

11 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

On 4/11/2025 at 1:30 PM, impulse said:

If you're talking about illegal immigrants, that authority is vested in the Executive Branch.  Always has been.

 

Not without due process though, according to the US Supreme Court ruling recently handed down - so therefore not in the way the Trump administration did it.

 

The one guy that's coming back was ordered to leave the country by a judge in 2019.  He got his due process.  He refused to leave,

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

5 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

So you’re saying there’s a specific law that says a U.S. citizen can be deported.

 

Which law is that?

 

Deported to where exactly?

 

No, I'm saying that there isn't a law that states that a US citizen can't be expelled from the US. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

6 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

You appear to be special needs so I’ll throw you a bone.

 

Research the 14th amendment.

 

I can present it to you but you must be capable of comprehending.

 

If you’re still confused, no one can help you.

 

 

Tell me in which section of the 14th Amendment it specifically states that a US citizen can't be expelled from the US.

 

While the 14th Amendment does guarantee due process, there's nothing there that says that after due process a US citizen couldn't be expelled. I suppose that would require another country to accept the US citizen, but perhaps a country like El Salvador might agree. 

 

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

6 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

You appear to be special needs so I’ll throw you a bone.

 

Research the 14th amendment.

 

I can present it to you but you must be capable of comprehending.

 

If you’re still confused, no one can help you.

 

 

I'm not the person who is seeking a legal pathway to expelling US citizens from the US. That distinction belongs to Donald Trump and his Department of Justice. See what Karoline Leavitt says in the video embedded in the OP. She confirms that Trump is exploring the possibility.

 

If I am special needs because I don't fully understand the US Constitution as a layman, what does that make Trump and his DoJ who supposedly have both the legal training and resources to do so? Super special needs?

 

If the 14th Amendment is such an ironclad guarantee that a US citizen can't be expelled, why is Trump looking for a mechanism to do so?

[SiSePuede419]

You misspelled Stephen Miller.

Nothing happens without the Boss's okay. 😄

[SiSePuede419]

Does he want to remove immigrants who came here on a B1/B2 visa which does not authorize paid work and worked illegally between September and October of 1996 on nude modeling jobs

 

TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICAN NUDE MODELS 😄

 

Asking for a friend.

 

[SiSePuede419]

On 4/11/2025 at 8:08 AM, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

There is presently no law that specifically prevents a US citizen from being removed from the US.

No law, except 14th A, SCOTUS decision Afrorim v. Rusk (1967), Vance v. Terrazas (1980)

These rulings established that the government cannot strip citizenship unless the individual voluntarily gives it up.

But as you know quite often the government ignores the law and you have to sue them in court to uphold the law.

 

ChatGPT:

While the law protects citizens from removal, there have been documented instances of U.S. citizens being mistakenly detained or deported, often due to errors in immigration enforcement. For example, over 4,000 U.S. citizens were wrongfully caught in the immigration system in 2010 alone.

 

Obama was president then, mmmkay.

 

I'm no Trump supporter, but this is more about the camera on GOP TV than reality.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

No law, except 14th A, SCOTUS decision Afrorim v. Rusk (1967), Vance v. Terrazas (1980)

These rulings established that the government cannot strip citizenship unless the individual voluntarily gives it up.

But as you know quite often the government ignores the law and you have to sue them in court to uphold the law.

 

ChatGPT:

While the law protects citizens from removal, there have been documented instances of U.S. citizens being mistakenly detained or deported, often due to errors in immigration enforcement. For example, over 4,000 U.S. citizens were wrongfully caught in the immigration system in 2010 alone.

 

Obama was president then, mmmkay.

 

I'm no Trump supporter, but this is more about the camera on GOP TV than reality.

 

Loss of citizenship is a different matter.

 

Would the 14th prevent a US citizen from being sent to a prison outside the US and beyond the reach of the US court system?  Trump has said he's looking into including US citizens in his schemes to deport people. Perhaps a better word would be "involuntary expatriation".