Trump Wants to Remove US Citizens from the US

[baansgr]

And why not..I think just about everyone is sick and tired of people claiming a 2nd nationality only to then slag it off, saying how nasty and rasist we are, not to mention causing so much crime and making us wait longer to claim our pensions and not being able to get a Drs appointment..should be we give anyone nationality with 20 years of work and paying taxes...these selfish dual nationals deserve nothing 

[samtam]

14 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

They should deport all the worst convicts to ElSalvador.  It would save the U.S. a ton of money.

 

 

With or without due process? Who decides who are "all the worst convicts"?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Then why didn’t Karoline Leavitt state it was impossible instead of confirming that Trump was contemplating it?
 

The video is in the link in the OP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Karoline Leavitt rarely knows what she is talking about. And that's being generous.

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

And why not..I think just about everyone is sick and tired of people claiming a 2nd nationality only to then slag it off, saying how nasty and rasist we are, not to mention causing so much crime and making us wait longer to claim our pensions and not being able to get a Drs appointment..should be we give anyone nationality with 20 years of work and paying taxes...these selfish dual nationals deserve nothing 

Nothing but due process of the law.

[sqwakvfr]

I can think of one way: Bring back the Rendition program after 9-11.  I believe parts of the Patriot Act are still valid. You never know someone in the Trump Adminstraion might be thinking the same? At least I hope not.  Bad news GITMO is still wide open.  

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I think there's no question that he has fascist tendencies, and that he wants to be a dictator, who's completely untethered to any sort of restrictions, laws, rules, or limitations.

 

Allow him that power and the tears will flow, and the bitterness will grow. 

That was how you felt when he was beating you up in NYC in the real estate market, right?

 

You should disclaim your posts by setting forth your personal animus.

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I can think of one way: Bring back the Rendition program after 9-11.  I believe parts of the Patriot Act are still valid. You never know someone in the Trump Adminstraion might be thinking the same? At least I hope not.  Bad news GITMO is still wide open.  

Except Guantanamo is considered US territory, and they were facing trial. Cheney and Bush should have been jailed for the torture though.

[SLOWHAND225]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

One exception is naturalized citizens who can be stripped of their citizenship.  Happened to a few former Nazis who had become US citizens, then it was discovered they participated in Nazi crimes.  (I suspect that it's happened to others, but the Nazi cases are well known.)  And of course, there are extradition treaties where criminals sought by other countries may be sent to those countries for prosecution even if they are US citizens.

 

But none of that is new (or specific) to Trump...

 

The libtards in here don't even understand the word extradition, let alone the word deportation.
You're asking too much ...................... lol

[impulse]

1 hour ago, samtam said:

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

They should deport all the worst convicts to ElSalvador.  It would save the U.S. a ton of money.

With or without due process? Who decides who are "all the worst convicts"?

 

If you're sitting in a US prison on a violent felony for the 4th time in your life, you've already been afforded all the "due process" that you deserve, and I wouldn't object to saving the taxpayers some money by sending you to a retirement in an El Salvador prison.

 

Or if you're convicted of violence against another inmate or the guards while you're in a US prison...

 

[cjinchiangrai]

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

If you're sitting in a US prison on a violent felony for the 4th time in your life, you've already been afforded all the "due process" that you deserve, and I wouldn't object to saving the taxpayers some money by sending you to a retirement in an El Salvador prison.

 

Or if you're convicted of violence against another inmate or the guards while you're in a US prison...

 

Except none of that happened, congress did not approve it and it was not subject to judicial review. They are deporting and imprisoning people with zero information provided.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

If you're sitting in a US prison on a violent felony for the 4th time in your life, you've already been afforded all the "due process" that you deserve, and I wouldn't object to saving the taxpayers some money by sending you to a retirement in an El Salvador prison.

 

Or if you're convicted of violence against another inmate or the guards while you're in a US prison...

 

 

When I read the Fourteenth Amendment, I don't see any wording that would appear to curtail its applicability based on how many times one is convicted of a crime. I also don't see any wording that states that one must "deserve" the right to due process.

 

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Except none of that happened, congress did not approve it and it was not subject to judicial review. They are deporting and imprisoning people with zero information provided.

 

US citizens?  Because that's the topic here.

 

If you're talking about illegal immigrants, that authority is vested in the Executive Branch.  Always has been.

 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

When I read the Fourteenth Amendment, I don't see any wording that would appear to curtail its applicability based on how many times one is convicted of a crime. I also don't see any wording that states that one must "deserve" the right to due process.

 

Never heard of a 3 strikes law?  You get due process.  And an enhanced sentence.

 

Those preceded Trump's terms by decades.

 

[cjinchiangrai]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

US citizens?  Because that's the topic here.

 

If you're talking about illegal immigrants, that authority is vested in the Executive Branch.  Always has been.

 

Not to deport them to a third country. 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Not to deport them to a third country. 

 

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

 

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Never heard of a 3 strikes law?  You get due process.  And an enhanced sentence.

 

Those preceded Trump's terms by decades.

 

Three strikes laws don't mean that you don't have the right to due process.  
 

You stated that after three convictions you believe that a person does not deserve due process. You are advocating that for a fourth arrest the accused isn't entitled to defend himself in court.

 

[sqwakvfr]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Except Guantanamo is considered US territory, and they were facing trial. Cheney and Bush should have been jailed for the torture though.

I don't think all GITMO detainees ever faced trial. There was a movie called "The Mauritanian" .   Mohammedou Ouid Slah was held at GiTMO without charges for 14 years. 

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No I despise hypocrisy.

 

Trump talks, the sky is falling.

Barack kills, ho hum.

 

How do you feel about the issue of Obama killing an American citizen? Good thing Trump got him immunity

I think it´s terrible, and that he should be punished for it. However, I see both way, and not half blind like you. 

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Three strikes laws don't mean that you don't have the right to due process.  
 

You stated that after three convictions you believe that a person does not deserve due process. You are advocating that for a fourth arrest the accused isn't entitled to defend himself in court.

 

No.  I'm saying that if you're sitting in a US prison, you've already had your due process.  You have been tried and convicted.  They can send you anywhere they choose.  If you're convicted in Florida, you could go to prison in Colorado.  You don't get to pick and choose.

 

 

[baansgr]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Nothing but due process of the law.

No, they shouldn't, they have no respect for the laws they so want to protect them

[cdemundo]

4 hours ago, FlorC said:

He can start with all the people who said they would leave the US if he became president, but didn't.

 

All the people that stole via USAID , SS , NGO's , and the violent domestic terrorists.

Cheaper to remove them than building massive prisons and provide food for them.

Have not seen any proof of Social Security fraud.

I know Musk said it was the biggest fraud in history but even Musk saying something 3 times doesn't make it so.

USAID seems to have spent money foolishly but again, I haven't seen any evidence of fraud.

NGO stands for Non-governmental Organization so I guess that isn't under the category of fraud in government.

[FlorC]

1 minute ago, cdemundo said:

Have not seen any proof of Social Security fraud.

I know Musk said it was the biggest fraud in history but even Musk saying something 3 times doesn't make it so.

USAID seems to have spent money foolishly but again, I haven't seen any evidence of fraud.

NGO stands for Non-governmental Organization so I guess that isn't under the category of fraud in government.

NGO's got money from USAID , fraud money.

That's why nearly all got cut off.

[cjinchiangrai]

21 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I don't think all GITMO detainees ever faced trial. There was a movie called "The Mauritanian" .   Mohammedou Ouid Slah was held at GiTMO without charges for 14 years. 

That may be true, but they were scheduled for trial.

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, FlorC said:

NGO's got money from USAID , fraud money.

That's why nearly all got cut off.

And Musk got money for rockets that blew up. USAID money was approved by congress and needs to be paid.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No.  I'm saying that if you're sitting in a US prison, you've already had your due process.  You have been tried and convicted.  They can send you anywhere they choose.  If you're convicted in Florida, you could go to prison in Colorado.  You don't get to pick and choose.

 

 

The right to due process is the accused’s right to defend himself in court, not about where he may be incarcerated after conviction. Having prior convictions does not extinguish the right to due process.

[impulse]

11 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

The right to due process is the accused’s right to defend himself in court, not about where he may be incarcerated after conviction. Having prior convictions does not extinguish the right to due process.

 

As I said.  If you're sitting in a prison, that means you've had all the due process that's due to you. 

 

If you've had that due process 4 times, I wouldn't object to sending you to a lower cost accommodation like in El Salvador.

 

[PumpkinEater]

I saw a story on US Citizens being scrutinized by not being within the US territories for more than 6 months (with no ties remaining in the USA).

This would apply to retirees overseas possibly. 
 

They see this as abandoning US Citizenship. Thus the next step of course would be to stop Social Security/Medicare.

 

It is a new world of corruption that can include many “far fetched” ideas and instigations by a dictatorship.

 

Cheers

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Except Guantanamo is considered US territory, and they were facing trial. 

Facing trial? Kidnapped and imprisoned for years without seeing a lawyer.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

3 minutes ago, PumpkinEater said:

I saw a story on US Citizens being scrutinized by not being within the US territories for more than 6 months (with no ties remaining in the USA).

This would apply to retirees overseas possibly. 
 

They see this as abandoning US Citizenship. Thus the next step of course would be to stop Social Security/Medicare.

 

It is a new world of corruption that can include many “far fetched” ideas and instigations by a dictatorship.

 

Cheers

Are you sure it was about US citizens?  I know this is a potential issue for green card holders.

[NoDisplayName]

5 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

There is presently no law that specifically prevents a US citizen from being removed from the US.

 

Is there a law that prevents a US president and anointed leader of the free world, not to mention a nobel peace prize recipient, from executively ordering the drone strike execution of American citizens without trial?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Is there a law that prevents a US president and anointed leader of the free world, not to mention a nobel peace prize recipient, from executively ordering the drone strike execution of American citizens without trial?

That’s a problem, too.
 

Why don’t you start a separate thread on that one?

 

There seem to be a number of reasons why presidential power needs to be constrained.