China warns ,don’t appease trump

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6 hours ago, jas007 said:

I think if you go back and read some of my posts, you'll see that I'm not a "hardcore MAGA member."  If thinking Harris would have been a disaster as President makes me hardcore MAGA, then that's silly.  Call me a realist who makes some effort to think for myself and question authority.  I may not get everything right all the time, but at least I try.  I'm smart enough to know propaganda when I see it, and I'm smart enough to know crazy when I see it.  And I absolutely believe in free speech. 

As for questioning authority, your line has pretty much been Trust in Trump.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

He just caved on China. Yesterday he caved on Jerome Powell.

 

Now 184 targets of tariffs know he's weak and willing to forget it.

 

EVERYBODY---even that uninhabited island---will be playing the clown like a fiddle.

 

To use one of his own favorite epithets, he's a total loser.

And where did you read this so-called "information"? Or are you just putting your desired spin on the fact that, reportedly, Xi and Trump will meet in May, as Trump has requested.  China wanted to do it the normal way - through diplomatic channels to work out a deal, and then finally with XI.  But Trump wanted to bypass all that and meet directly with Xi, which sounds like exactly what is now being reported.  

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As for questioning authority, your line has pretty much been Trust in Trump.

Not that I agree with him, necessarily, but because he's the President and he's the one running US foreign policy, per the US Constitution, Article II.  Or do you think that's no longer relevant? 

 

Like I said, I deal in reality, not propaganda-induced fantasy.  

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7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Not that I agree with him, necessarily, but because he's the President and he's the one running US foreign policy, per the US Constitution, Article II.  Or do you think that's no longer relevant? 

 

Like I said, I deal in reality, not propaganda-induced fantasy.  

You claim that Americans should defer to him. And no, he doesn't have unlimited license to run foreign policy. And the pushback he's gotten seems to have derailed his plans. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Given your views, apparently so.

[CallumWK]

 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commentary-trumps-economic-pain-thresholds-have-emerged-in-other-words-he-blinked-155556365.html

 

Commentary: Trump's economic pain thresholds have emerged. In other words, he blinked.

 

President Trump is finally signaling that his trade war has caused enough mayhem and he’s willing to do some damage control.

 

On April 17, Trump said in a social media post that Powell’s “termination cannot come fast enough,” triggering yet another market sell-off. But five days later, Trump told reporters, “I have no intention of firing” Powell. Markets jumped.

 

Trump and his team have also signaled that it’s time to rein in tariffs that, in some cases, are so severe they’re effectively an embargo on imported goods. Trump and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent both recently said Trump’s draconian 145% tax on Chinese imports is too high and needs to come down, as long as China makes similar adjustments. New tariffs might be half the current level.

 

Through April 21, the dollar had fallen 9.4% relative to a basket of foreign currencies since the start of the year. It rebounded a bit after Trump talked back his trade war. Trump may have discovered that a gradually weakening dollar is OK, but a plunging greenback is not.

[Cryingdick]

Has XI resorted to saying Trump is a fascist dictator worse than Mao and Hitler yet?

[jas007]

40 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commentary-trumps-economic-pain-thresholds-have-emerged-in-other-words-he-blinked-155556365.html

 

Commentary: Trump's economic pain thresholds have emerged. In other words, he blinked.

 

President Trump is finally signaling that his trade war has caused enough mayhem and he’s willing to do some damage control.

 

On April 17, Trump said in a social media post that Powell’s “termination cannot come fast enough,” triggering yet another market sell-off. But five days later, Trump told reporters, “I have no intention of firing” Powell. Markets jumped.

 

Trump and his team have also signaled that it’s time to rein in tariffs that, in some cases, are so severe they’re effectively an embargo on imported goods. Trump and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent both recently said Trump’s draconian 145% tax on Chinese imports is too high and needs to come down, as long as China makes similar adjustments. New tariffs might be half the current level.

 

Through April 21, the dollar had fallen 9.4% relative to a basket of foreign currencies since the start of the year. It rebounded a bit after Trump talked back his trade war. Trump may have discovered that a gradually weakening dollar is OK, but a plunging greenback is not.

Well, it looks like Trump didn't "blink," as the mainstream is so eager to report.  Bessent just denied it and again signaled that the tariffs need to be reduced in a mutual fashion.  Of course, the markets didn't like that to much, but they're still up substantially on the day, so far. 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bessent-us-and-china-tariffs-need-to-come-down-before-talks-can-start-154240028.html

[jas007]

48 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commentary-trumps-economic-pain-thresholds-have-emerged-in-other-words-he-blinked-155556365.html

 

Commentary: Trump's economic pain thresholds have emerged. In other words, he blinked.

 

President Trump is finally signaling that his trade war has caused enough mayhem and he’s willing to do some damage control.

 

On April 17, Trump said in a social media post that Powell’s “termination cannot come fast enough,” triggering yet another market sell-off. But five days later, Trump told reporters, “I have no intention of firing” Powell. Markets jumped.

 

Trump and his team have also signaled that it’s time to rein in tariffs that, in some cases, are so severe they’re effectively an embargo on imported goods. Trump and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent both recently said Trump’s draconian 145% tax on Chinese imports is too high and needs to come down, as long as China makes similar adjustments. New tariffs might be half the current level.

 

Through April 21, the dollar had fallen 9.4% relative to a basket of foreign currencies since the start of the year. It rebounded a bit after Trump talked back his trade war. Trump may have discovered that a gradually weakening dollar is OK, but a plunging greenback is not.

Wrong. Trump didn't "blink."  Yet more evidence that the mainstream media gets ahead of itself whenever they sense an opportunity to bash Trump.  The truth doesn't seem to be a priority for them, so long as it's all to "get Trump."

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bessent-us-and-china-tariffs-need-to-come-down-before-talks-can-start-154240028.html

 

[jas007]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

You claim that Americans should defer to him. And no, he doesn't have unlimited license to run foreign policy. And the pushback he's gotten seems to have derailed his plans. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Given your views, apparently so.

Did I say Trump has an "unlimited license" to run foreign policy?  Nope.  For example, Congress can declare war.  And certain actions are taken with the advice and consent of the Senate, such as appointing ambassadors.  And it's the Senate that must ratify treaties.  The list goes on.  But it is the President that is the prime driver of foreign policy.  And all this has been recognized in the courts. 

[CallumWK]

6 hours ago, jas007 said:

Well, it looks like Trump didn't "blink," as the mainstream is so eager to report.  Bessent just denied it and again signaled that the tariffs need to be reduced in a mutual fashion.  Of course, the markets didn't like that to much, but they're still up substantially on the day, so far. 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bessent-us-and-china-tariffs-need-to-come-down-before-talks-can-start-154240028.html

 

6 hours ago, jas007 said:

Wrong. Trump didn't "blink."  Yet more evidence that the mainstream media gets ahead of itself whenever they sense an opportunity to bash Trump.  The truth doesn't seem to be a priority for them, so long as it's all to "get Trump."

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bessent-us-and-china-tariffs-need-to-come-down-before-talks-can-start-154240028.html

 

 

But you are not MAGA right, since you denied that the other day. Though, the biggest evidence that you ARE MAGA, is your consistence on denying everything that shows that Trump never could win his bully game.

And because Bessent denies what is happening, it must be true, right? How much denying of proven facts by the current administration have we seen in the past 3 months?

More blinking on the way from Trump's side.

 

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7 hours ago, jas007 said:

Wrong. Trump didn't "blink."  Yet more evidence that the mainstream media gets ahead of itself whenever they sense an opportunity to bash Trump.  The truth doesn't seem to be a priority for them, so long as it's all to "get Trump."

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bessent-us-and-china-tariffs-need-to-come-down-before-talks-can-start-154240028.html

 

Sure a couple of weeks after he imposes huge tariffs, he just changes his mind despite the fact that China hasn't approached the US for talks. Trump is not backing down, he's just being whimsical. I predict he's going to be a lot more whimsical before long.

[jas007]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Sure a couple of weeks after he imposes huge tariffs, he just changes his mind despite the fact that China hasn't approached the US for talks. Trump is not backing down, he's just being whimsical. I predict he's going to be a lot more whimsical before long.

Since when has he changed his mind?  That's an easy thing to say, but it doesn't align with reality.

 

From what I understand, the rationale for imposing tariffs is to bing the parties to the table so that an agreement can be reached to level the playing field.  By design, they're meant to be a bargaining chip, of sorts.  Ideally, they will be lowered if China will make meaningful concessions. And you would have us believe that Trump stating the obvious somehow equates to Trump "changing his mind."  Nice try.

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Just now, jas007 said:

Since when has he changed his mind?  That's an easy thing to say, but it doesn't align with reality.

 

From what I understand, the rationale for imposing tariffs is to bing the parties to the table so that an agreement can be reached to level the playing field.  By design, they're meant to be a bargaining chip, of sorts.  Ideally, they will be lowered if China will make meaningful concessions. And you would have us believe that Trump stating the obvious somehow equates to Trump "changing his mind."  Nice try.

So the way to show how firm your stance is before negotiations begin is to soften the stance before your opponents even offer to sit down with you? You've repeatedly said that China would knuckle under. This is your idea of negotiating from a position of strength?

[jas007]

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

 

But you are not MAGA right, since you denied that the other day. Though, the biggest evidence that you ARE MAGA, is your consistence on denying everything that shows that Trump never could win his bully game.

And because Bessent denies what is happening, it must be true, right? How much denying of proven facts by the current administration have we seen in the past 3 months?

More blinking on the way from Trump's side.

 

What is it, exactly, that you think is "happening"?  It's easy to make such a statement, but the reality doesn't line up.  

 

From what I understand, the rationale for imposing tariffs is to bing the parties to the table so that an agreement can be reached to level the playing field.  By design, they're meant to be a bargaining chip, of sorts.  Ideally, they will be lowered if China will make meaningful concessions. So, what is "happening," exactly?  Maybe in your fantasyland something is happening that shows a change of the original plan. In reality, the tariffs are working exactly as envisioned.  Just wait and see. The situation is fluid and is that way by design. Xi will meet with Trump sometime soon, and they'll make a deal.  That's how it works. That's the reason for the tariffs in the first place. 

 

As for Trump winning a "bullying game"?  How does seeking to establish a level playing field constitute "bullying"?   Unless you're totally blind to China and its tariff games, currency manipulation and continuing theft of intellectual property, you have to admit Trump is on the right path.  Trump wants a level playing field and nothing more. 

 

My take on you is that you're so invested in the "Get Trump" narrative, that you can't see reality.  Inventing your own doesn't cut it.  I guess it makes you feel important, though, to repeat the same nonsense over and over.  That's how propaganda works, by the way.  The media propaganda machine repeats the same thing over and over, and sooner or later people believe it.  Brainwashing. 

[HappyExpat57]

[jas007]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So the way to show how firm your stance is before negotiations begin is to soften the stance before your opponents even offer to sit down with you? You've repeatedly said that China would knuckle under. This is your idea of negotiating from a position of strength?

 

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So the way to show how firm your stance is before negotiations begin is to soften the stance before your opponents even offer to sit down with you? You've repeatedly said that China would knuckle under. This is your idea of negotiating from a position of strength?

You're inventing a reality that simply doesn't exist.  You're assuming Trump has softened his stance.  But has he?  I don't think so.  As I understand it, some of the tariff rates haven't even been set yet. And, in any event, as I've said, by design they're flexible.   

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

From what I understand, the rationale for imposing tariffs is to bing the parties to the table so that an agreement can be reached to level the playing field.  

 

Well that worked out well isn't it,. When did China ever make an attempt to come to the table?

 

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 Maybe in your fantasyland something is happening that shows a change of the original plan. In reality, the tariffs are working exactly as envisioned.

 

Again, China made clear they were ready to fight, so Trump folded, and is now hoping that China will agree to talk, but so far there are no signs of that either.

But I agree with you that there is no change of plan, because Trump never had, and still doesn't have, a plan. All he is capable of is bullying, but that doesn't go down well with developed countries.

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8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

You're inventing a reality that simply doesn't exist.  You're assuming Trump has softened his stance.  But has he?  I don't think so.  As I understand it, some of the tariff rates haven't even been set yet. And, in any event, as I've said, by design they're flexible.   

He's already back down by exempting some major items from tariffs for goods coming from China. What makes you think the tariffa for China haven't been set yet? More generally Bessent says the 90 day time isn't necessarily a time limit at all before tariffs are imposed. And you're still trying to spin this into evidence that Trump hasn't blinked already?

[jas007]

37 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Well that worked out well isn't it,. When did China ever make an attempt to come to the table?

Just because it's not being reported by the propaganda media machine doesn't mean it hasn't happened. 

Why don't you just wait and see? That's easy enough. Trump and Xi will meet and make an agreement sometime soon. 

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Just because it's not being reported by the propaganda media machine doesn't mean it hasn't happened. 

Why don't you just wait and see? That's easy enough. Trump and Xi will meet and make an agreement sometime soon. 

 

Of course, since you cult members are directly informed by Trump, you will know.

 

If it had happened, for sure the media would have jumped on it.

 

Just for your info

 

[jas007]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He's already back down by exempting some major items from tariffs for goods coming from China. What makes you think the tariffa for China haven't been set yet? More generally Bessent says the 90 day time isn't necessarily a time limit at all before tariffs are imposed. And you're still trying to spin this into evidence that Trump hasn't blinked already?

Unless I was seeing a clip from ancient history, just this morning I saw Trump at a news conference explaining that he hasn't set the tariffs on some items but will be doing so soon. 

 

As for backing down?  As I've said, by design the tariffs are flexible and merely a negotiating tool.  No one seriously believes huge tariffs are anything but that or will actually be used.  Trade will come to a compete halt, and neither side can afford that. 

 

Why is everyone so obsessed with who "blinks"?  That's silly and isn't how the world works.  

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Of course, since you cult members are directly informed by Trump, you will know.

 

If it had happened, for sure the media would have jumped on it.

 

Just for your info

 

 I'm not going to waste too much time trying to explain to you what's going on and why. 

 

Watch and see if it doesn't happen. 

[CallumWK]

16 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Why is everyone so obsessed with who "blinks"?  

 

Because we all know who started the bullying, and it wasn't China

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

I guess it makes you feel important, though, to repeat the same nonsense over and over.  That's how propaganda works, by the way.  The media propaganda machine repeats the same thing over and over, and sooner or later people believe it.  Brainwashing. 

Exactly what you're doing here. I hope you believe your reasoning yourself, any critical thinking person shouldn't fall for it.

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51 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Unless I was seeing a clip from ancient history, just this morning I saw Trump at a news conference explaining that he hasn't set the tariffs on some items but will be doing so soon. 

 

As for backing down?  As I've said, by design the tariffs are flexible and merely a negotiating tool.  No one seriously believes huge tariffs are anything but that or will actually be used.  Trade will come to a compete halt, and neither side can afford that. 

 

Why is everyone so obsessed with who "blinks"?  That's silly and isn't how the world works.  

On chinese items tariffs have been fully set. Of course, he can and probably will change his mind many times.

Yes, they are a negotiating tool. But to say you're open to compromise when the other side hasn't yet made a move, is what's called negotiating with yourself. Why should the Chinese do anything but wait and see what else he comes up with?

Trump may not want that but he doesn't betray much understanding of how the trade works. For instance, he has the crazy notion that if your trade balance runs a deficit, that means you're losing and it's the fault of tariffs.

[CallumWK]

The one day honeymoon on the stock market seems over already.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-rally-loses-steam-wavering-024243837.html

 

Stock Rally Loses Steam After Wavering Tariff News: Markets Wrap

 

(Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks traded in a tight range Thursday as a brief global relief rally started to give up momentum after mixed signals from the Trump administration on its plans for China tariffs.

 

Bessent said that Trump hasn’t offered to take down US tariffs on China on a unilateral basis. Asked if there was no unilateral offer from the president to de-escalate, he said “not at all.”

The Treasury secretary said that the administration is looking at multiple factors with regard to China beyond just tariffs — including non-tariff barriers and government subsidies. He also said that the strongest relationship between Washington and Beijing is at the top, and that there was no timeframe for engagement. A full re-balancing of trade might take two to three years, he said.