Xi Jinping is not satisfied with winning the trade war

[sharot724]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Not too many people have a crystal ball, and certainly not me.  

 

In understand all about the complexity of supply chains and the difficulties involved in undoing what was assembled over a period of decades.  I guess my main point is that China is on a short fuse.  The propaganda would have us believe otherwise, but I don't think they can outlast the US Fed, and, so long as Trump doesn't reverse course, he's on a winning path.  

The complexity of supply chains will not recover in the near future. Only time will reveal the level of the path to complete disfuctional procurement.

[Tug]

When I get back to the states I’m stocking up on essential stuff like tp and paper towels…..thats if they are still available.

[jas007]

On 4/28/2025 at 2:36 PM, RayC said:

 

In which case - assuming US manufacturers don't have a monopoly on a particular type of CNC machine or component(s) - China will simply substitute European and Japanese-made products for US-made products.

 

In such a scenario, there may be short-term supply issues and an increase in product prices, but I guess that these types of products are not purchased every day, so it shouldn't affect the individual Chinese company too much in the MT/LT. It seems to me that, at an aggregated level, the biggest loser in this scenario is likely to be the US manufacturing as it loses both market share and revenue.

I don't disagree, and. over the longer term, in a static world, US firms would begin to feel the pinch, along with the economy as a whole. But, over time, the world adjusts and tariff wars come and go.  This one will be over long before the situation becomes critical. 

[RayC]

10 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I don't disagree, and. over the longer term, in a static world, US firms would begin to feel the pinch, along with the economy as a whole. But, over time, the world adjusts and tariff wars come and go.  This one will be over long before the situation becomes critical. 

 

You are quite right to imply that the world is not static and that things change in the MT/LT, however, short-term measures do have consequences.

 

There can be no doubt that Trump's actions wrt tariffs have caused chaos and instability. Markets and (most) governments crave the exact opposite. In the ST, maybe China (and the rest of the world) will blink first, we'll see. However, if the US is perceived as being an unpredictable, unreliable partner - and that is happening - imo it can only have negative effects in the MT/LT for the US.

[jas007]

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

You are quite right to imply that the world is not static and that things change in the MT/LT, however, short-term measures do have consequences.

 

There can be no doubt that Trump's actions wrt tariffs have caused chaos and instability. Markets and (most) governments crave the exact opposite. In the ST, maybe China (and the rest of the world) will blink first, we'll see. However, if the US is perceived as being an unpredictable, unreliable partner - and that is happening - imo it can only have negative effects in the MT/LT for the US.

Again. I agree. But we're talking about Trump.  He doesn't care about short term consequences.  He cares about winning.  All he has to do is stay the course.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  The alternative would not be pretty. 

[Felton Jarvis]

2 hours ago, johng said:

 

I am talking about the fact that CNN lied about Rogan taking livestock medication

that is not an opinion its a fact   watch the video again if you have not worked that out yet   here he introduces a clip from CNN itself.

 

Media has to deal with the facts it has on hand. It cannot consider the opinions of those whose ox is baing gored. EVERYONE thinks they are an exception to the rule. The vast majority of Trumpers and other Republicans think media must be perfectly aligned with their agenda before they have credibility.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Again. I agree. But we're talking about Trump.  He doesn't care about short term consequences.  He cares about winning.  

 

Again, we agree.

 

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

All he has to do is stay the course.

 

This is where we might disagree. I'm not so sure about that

 

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

 

 I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  

 

I would also imagine everyone in the White House is, and if they are not they should be.

 

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

 

The alternative would not be pretty. 

 

If, by that, you mean that a fully-fledged trade war takes place accompanied by a world-wide recession then again, I agree.

 

And the world will know where to lay the blame.

[johng]

25 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Media has to deal with the facts it has on hand

You asked for an example of bias by CNN I gave you one ,now you swerve off into gobbdly gook about media dealing with "facts"

They lied they knew it was a lie but still they did it because they were trying to discredit  not just Joe Rogan but also a very useful medicine  but in doing so they exposed themselves   now everyone with an ounce of sense pays them no attention...they have discredited themselves.

[Felton Jarvis]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

You asked for an example of bias by CNN I gave you one ,now you swerve off into gobbdly gook about media dealing with "facts"

They lied they knew it was a lie but still they did it because they were trying to discredit  not just Joe Rogan but also a very useful medicine  but in doing so they exposed themselves   now everyone with an ounce of sense pays them no attention...they have discredited themselves.

You gave ONE example, which is a mistake that any journalist could make. You are reaching for anything that will support your insupportable premise.