Bow your head with great respect

[VBF]

23 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

There are gnostic atheists who do claim that, but they can't support their claims.  At best they can disprove specific gods.

 

Most are agnostic atheists who do not believe due to lack of sufficient evidence, but not ruling out the possibility.

Atheists are trying to claim a negative - the non-existence of something.

As i said above - agnostics just don't care!

[VBF]

22 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Then you are not solely agnostic.

You're an agnostic something, with agnostic being an adjective.

Agnostic means you may doubt, you may be skeptical, you may believe it is not possible to know a thing.

That does not imply you don't care or it doesn't matter.

No!  That's atheists - so sceptical because there is no clear proof of religious beliefs. BUT, they want to prove their negative beliefs and persuade others to join them.

Agnostics just think it (religion) is all nonsense and not worth worrying about.

[cjinchiangrai]

43 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Off the top of my head:

 

Thou shall worship Science
Thou shall belittle those who challenge Science

Thou shall consider mankind to exist only within the visible and physical realms of mortal existence

Pretty close but challenging science is science. The moment a paper is published, everyone tries to tear it apart. There is no "trust me" in science.

[cjinchiangrai]

20 minutes ago, VBF said:

Atheists are trying to claim a negative - the non-existence of something.

As i said above - agnostics just don't care!

It is the religions that are making claims. Claims ae fine, present your evidence and repeatable experiment.

[rattlesnake]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Pretty close but challenging science is science. The moment a paper is published, everyone tries to tear it apart. There is no "trust me" in science.

 

If only this were true… 

 

 

[Sierra Tango]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And your point is?

Do I really have to explain myself to you?

 

Andre 0720 said;

"As I did some study of Buddhism, and was so happy to come here as a tourist, to immerse myself in the belief that I found so wonderful.

Only to realize that there is no such thing a Buddhism here, at least nothing described in books."

 

Do you follow now?

 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

Just now, Sierra Tango said:

Do I really have to explain myself to you?

 

Andre 0720 said;

"As I did some study of Buddhism, and was so happy to come here as a tourist, to immerse myself in the belief that I found so wonderful.

Only to realize that there is no such thing a Buddhism here, at least nothing described in books."

 

Do you follow now?

It makes more sense than merely naming three books.

[Andre0720]

5 hours ago, Sierra Tango said:

This may help your grades;

Known as the Tripitaka, the sacred texts of Buddhism are broken down into three sections known as baskets. Referred to in the West as the Three Baskets, the Tripitaka includes the Vinaya Pitaka, the Sutta Pitaka, and the Abhidhamma Pitaka.

My point is that in this country, if you start talking about these concepts, people will look at you and wonder from what planet you are coming from.

And I repeat myself, I did not find any Buddhism here...

[Sierra Tango]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It makes more sense than merely naming three books.

Read the thread including the post that I was replying to.

[VBF]

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It is the religions that are making claims. Claims ae fine, present your evidence and repeatable experiment.

 

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It is the religions that are making claims. Claims ae fine, present your evidence and repeatable experiment.

Not sure if you're challenging me or making a point?

Clearly, being agnostic, I have neither because I haven't wasted my time because agnostics don't actually care!

 

Having done a little searching, I find https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/ in which it says that atheists don't believe and agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve. In my case they don't really care!

[Sierra Tango]

2 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

My point is that in this country, if you start talking about these concepts, people will look at you and wonder from what planet you are coming from.

And I repeat myself, I did not find any Buddhism here...

You said that you couldn't find anything in writing. If you believe that there is no Buddhism here then you are looking in the wrong places. Apart from that I was trying to help you with your obvious lack of resorces for your study so just carry on and leave me out of it now, thank you.

[cjinchiangrai]

15 minutes ago, Sierra Tango said:

Read the thread including the post that I was replying to.

I tend to gloss over off topic trash.

[cjinchiangrai]

13 minutes ago, VBF said:

 

Not sure if you're challenging me or making a point?

Clearly, being agnostic, I have neither because I haven't wasted my time because agnostics don't actually care!

 

Having done a little searching, I find https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/ in which it says that atheists don't believe and agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve. In my case they don't really care!

Not challenging you other that to state that atheists claim god does  not exist. That is shorthand, but really the claim is that no evidence for god exists. Bring evidence and we can talk about it. Without evidence you have nothing and can shut up. Agnostics are just ignored as wishy-washy.

[VBF]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Not challenging you other that to state that atheists claim god does  not exist. That is shorthand, but really the claim is that no evidence for god exists. Bring evidence and we can talk about it. Without evidence you have nothing and can shut up. Agnostics are just ignored as wishy-washy.

Ah thank you - agree about atheism......

 

Best wishes from Mr W. Washy  😂

(Who still doesn't care 😅)

[ChrisKC]

23 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

My mom, rest her soul, was a Catholic.

She had lost her first daughter at a young age. Traumatized her for life. 

She needed something to believe in.

And she maybe wasn't intellectual enough to search for any alternatives.

 

But even people who are intellectual and curious-minded enough to seek out alternatives to Catholicism, where does that usually lead them? To some other questionable belief system? To atheism? Belief in nothing?

 

I didn't watch the OP. I bet he's an atheist. Atheists love to knock religions, but they got nothing better. 

 

For some people, it served a purpose and they didn't harm anyone while following this religion.

 

I was highly critical of Catholicism growing up, but then realized that some people need it and it serves a purpose. 

 

 

Unfortunately, you don't even know what an Atheist is. Why don't you look it up?  It means ONLY not believing in a deity. That is it;  it doesn't mean believing in nothing or anything else in particular. What it probably means is that reality doesn't pass us by!

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I wasn't really addressing the definition of atheism, but rather the atheists' own propensity to adhere to dogma, which I think is part of the human condition.

 

There is no atheist dogma.

 

Theists make claims about god(s), massive claims, without sufficient evidence, or really any evidence.

 

I don't believe the claims.

That is not dogma.

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

No!  That's atheists - so sceptical because there is no clear proof of religious beliefs. BUT, they want to prove their negative beliefs and persuade others to join them.

Agnostics just think it (religion) is all nonsense and not worth worrying about.

 

As long as you're deciding for yourself what "atheism" means, and what "agnostic" means, then you'll always win the argument.

 

That was easy!

[VBF]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

As long as you're deciding for yourself what "atheism" means, and what "agnostic" means, then you'll always win the argument.

 

That was easy!

And there you have it 👍

For me it's all academic anyway because religion or lack of is for other people - I'm agnostic on the matter. 😃

As I've written several times, I really don't care and in fact perhaps we should all simply form our own views and just do what feel is right. As I also said earlier, as long as we're not harming others.

[NoDisplayName]

9 minutes ago, VBF said:

And there you have it 👍

For me it's all academic anyway because religion or lack of is for other people - I'm agnostic on the matter. 😃

As I've written several times, I really don't care and in fact perhaps we should all simply form our own views and just do what feel is right. As I also said earlier, as long as we're not harming others.

 

You're certainly spending a lot of time responding to posts on the meaning and beliefs of atheists for someone who doesn't care, even going so far as to create your own definitions for words which are readily available on the googles.

 

Your particular definition of your beliefs is not agnosticism, but rather apathy or indifference.  Agnostic theists care.

 

An agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of a god or ultimate reality is unknown or unknowable, while an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of any god or gods. Essentially, agnosticism deals with uncertainty about belief, whereas atheism is a rejection of belief in deities.

[Sierra Tango]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

I tend to gloss over off topic trash.

Yet here you are, and you didn't gloss over my post but chose to waste my time by making comments on something that you knew nothing about.

What this forum really needs, instead of the touchy feely emoji buttons is a big red button that says "Oh Just <deleted> Off"

[VBF]

33 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You're certainly spending a lot of time responding to posts on the meaning and beliefs of atheists for someone who doesn't care, even going so far as to create your own definitions for words which are readily available on the googles.

 

Your particular definition of your beliefs is not agnosticism, but rather apathy or indifference.  Agnostic theists care.

 

An agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of a god or ultimate reality is unknown or unknowable, while an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of any god or gods. Essentially, agnosticism deals with uncertainty about belief, whereas atheism is a rejection of belief in deities.

Ah you're assuming I'm an Agnostic theist, who, as you say, care.

No...I'm an Agnostic who, as I say, doesn't care (about religion)

 

I searched for "What is the difference between agnostics and agnostic theists?"   and found https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-agnostics-and-agnostic-theists

 

That link provides loads of reading, much of it contradictory. I leave you to plough through it if you wish.

 

As for the time I'm spending, sometimes it's interesting to debate, agree, differ  or whatever. My views haven't changed inasmuch as I have no idea whether god(s) exist, I cannot prove it either way and likely never will.

 

Furthermore, if  I was to somehow find proof that it or they did exist, my life probably wouldn't change for better or worse - THAT'S what I mean by not caring - as I said earlier, I'm very happy for others to care or not.  Someone posted that I'm just apathetic - quite possibly but to be flippant, who cares about apathy? Not I

 

Bottom line is that, in my personal life, religion and all that goes with it is just an abstract concept - discussing abstract things is interesting though.

 

Clearer?

 

Facetious  afterthought, countering your mild sarcasm:

In the words of Lewis Carroll “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

54 minutes ago, Sierra Tango said:

Yet here you are, and you didn't gloss over my post but chose to waste my time by making comments on something that you knew nothing about.

What this forum really needs, instead of the touchy feely emoji buttons is a big red button that says "Oh Just <deleted> Off"

Oh Just <deleted> Off There you go.