Breaking the Silence: Former UK Special Forces Reveal Allegations of War Crimes

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well they've got plenty of free time, since they won't be investigating the child rape gangs. 

 

You seem less outraged at allegations of British soldiers murdering afghan children than you do about Pakistani men molesting British girls. Do you believe that some children are worth less than others? 

[Cameroni]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

One former SAS operative recalled a particularly disturbing event in Afghanistan: "They handcuffed a young boy and shot him. He was clearly a child, not even close to fighting age."

 

That's absolutely disgusting. So much for the supposed codes of honour of these special fighting forces.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

That's a disgusting statement.

What is disgusting about it? 

[ChicagoExpat]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

What is disgusting about it? 

The false moral equivalency.  But you knew that.

[Cameroni]

So this boy would have been what, 8 or 9 years old? They shot an 8 year old boy?

 

That's almost unbelievable.

[RuamRudy]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

The false moral equivalency.  But you knew that.

 

Did you actually read the post I was replying to, because if you did you wouldn't have been so quick to respond in the way you did. 

[ChicagoExpat]

Just now, Cameroni said:

So this boy would have been what, 8 or 9 years old? They shot an 8 year old boy?

 

That's almost unbelievable.

You're adding the age.  Could have been 8, could have been 16.  If it happened as the article says it did, it would be a crime.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

So this boy would have been what, 8 or 9 years old? They shot an 8 year old boy?

 

That's almost unbelievable.

And yet this thread is full of apologists and those who simply don't care. It's truly sickening. 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, ChicagoExpat said:

You're adding the age.  Could have been 8, could have been 16.  If it happened as the article says it did, it would be a crime.

 

No.

 

It could not have been 16, the witnesses said he was clearly not of fighting age. So definitely not 16. He was too young to fight. So it would have to be 8 or 9. Perhaps 10 or 11 tops.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Did you actually read the post I was replying to, because if you did you wouldn't have been so quick to respond in the way you did. 

I did.  And when you yourself create a false moral equivalency with a line like "Certainly they both seem to have been indiscriminate in their murder of innocent civilians." turns out I responded not only correctly but at the right speed (you seem to think I responded too quickly).

[ChicagoExpat]

Just now, Cameroni said:

No.

 

It could not have been 16, the witnesses said he was clearly not of fighting age. So definitely not 16. He was too young to fight. So it would have to be 8 or 9. Perhaps 10 or 11 tops.

Depends on what the person himself described as fighting age.  Again, could have been 16.  Do the Taliban routinely have 16 year olds fighting for them?  What if he was 16 and looked younger. Point is, neither of us knows, and neither did he.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No.

 

It could not have been 16, the witnesses said he was clearly not of fighting age. So definitely not 16. He was too young to fight. So it would have to be 8 or 9. Perhaps 10 or 11 tops.

Its an allegation at the moment with no opportunity for those accused to reply.

 

"For more than two decades, the Taliban have put children on the front lines of Afghanistan’s armed conflicts. They have used children as fighters, to plant and detonate improvised explosive devices (IEDs), and as suicide bombers. Thousands of children may remain in their ranks today."

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/20/our-opportunity-end-talibans-use-child-soldiers

[sungod]

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So this boy would have been what, 8 or 9 years old? They shot an 8 year old boy?

 

That's almost unbelievable.

 More likely 16 or 17

[Cameroni]

8 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Depends on what the person himself described as fighting age. 

 

Indeed, and as these were seasoned special forces soldiers who fought in Afghanistan and knew the fighting age of combatants there, ie that the Taliban did have 16 year olds fighting, very clearly that boy must have been much younger than 16. Because they made a special point to say "clearly" not of fighting age. So anyhing from 8,9,10 or 11 is probable.

 

Not just that he was  extremely young, but he was handcuffed and they shot a defenseless child basically. That's just incredible.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I did.  And when you yourself create a false moral equivalency with a line like "Certainly they both seem to have been indiscriminate in their murder of innocent civilians." turns out I responded not only correctly but at the right speed (you seem to think I responded too quickly).

The false moral equivalency was introduced by Jonny.

 

I and others called it out.

 

You’re objecting to ot having been called out

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Indeed, and as these were seasoned special forces soldiers who fought in Afghanistan and knew the fighting age of combatants there, ie that the Taliban did have 16 year olds fighting, very clearly that boy must have been much younger than 16. Because they made a special point to say "clearly" not of fighting age. So anyhing from 8,9,10 or 11 is probable.

 

Not just that he was  extremely young, but he was handcuffed and they shot a defenseless child basically. That's just incredible.

 

 

Your saying it like it actually happened that way. This is currently hearsay, nothing more

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A very good point.

 

The’s usually apoplectic outrage over comparing the actions of a national military with those of a terrorist organization.

 

In this case ‘crickets’.

I need to update this observation.

 

Not so much ‘crickets’ as the very people who engage in outrage over an equivalence being drawn between the actions of a State Military and those of a Terrorist Organization are no longer silent.

 

They now themselves engaging in that very same equivalence.

 

How the wind blows?!

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The false moral equivalency was introduced by Jonny.

 

I and others called it out.

 

You’re objecting to ot having been called out

He's objecting to the false equivalency of the post he responded to. Your just trying to deflect that simple fact

[sungod]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Indeed, and as these were seasoned special forces soldiers who fought in Afghanistan and knew the fighting age of combatants there, ie that the Taliban did have 16 year olds fighting, very clearly that boy must have been much younger than 16. Because they made a special point to say "clearly" not of fighting age. So anyhing from 8,9,10 or 11 is probable.

 

Not just that he was  extremely young, but he was handcuffed and they shot a defenseless child basically. That's just incredible.

 

 

If we are going to take wild stabs, I'm going for a day short of his 18th birthday.

[JonnyF]

29 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

You seem less outraged at allegations of British soldiers murdering afghan children than you do about Pakistani men molesting British girls. Do you believe that some children are worth less than others? 

 

Well, one is simply an allegation. An unsubstantiated allegation by The British Bashing Corporation. A story. Hearsay. Jumped on by the usual Brit Haters. 

 

The other actually happened in many cities over the course of several years resulting in several (although not nearly enough) convictions and subsequently a massive cover up.

 

Hardly comparable. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again Jonny, eyewitness testimony is not hearsay.

 

 

Once again, unless it is repeated in court it is Hearsay, stop the spreading of misinformation

[RuamRudy]

32 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I did.  And when you yourself create a false moral equivalency with a line like "Certainly they both seem to have been indiscriminate in their murder of innocent civilians." turns out I responded not only correctly but at the right speed (you seem to think I responded too quickly).

 

No, as I have been trying to help you realise, you were (and remain) wrong. 

 

Here was the pathetic attempt to equivalise and justify the actions of the British Army by comparing them to those of the Taliban:

 

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I'm sure The Taliban were all sticking to the rules. 

[RuamRudy]

34 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Depends on what the person himself described as fighting age.  Again, could have been 16.  Do the Taliban routinely have 16 year olds fighting for them?  What if he was 16 and looked younger. Point is, neither of us knows, and neither did he.

 

Nor would, I presume, the person alleged to have handcuffed him before shooting him.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Here was the pathetic attempt to equivalise and justify the actions of the British Army by comparing them to those of the Taliban:

 

Alleged actions.

 

Nothing has been proved. It's just a story. 

 

Even if partially true (highly unlikely), they wouldn't come close to what The Taliban has done. Don't see you criticizing them though. 

 

Keep bashing Britain and it's armed forces though..

[sungod]

If anyone has actually bothered to watch to program, no one has publicly spoken out as the article suggests. Not a single person on the TV program was a former SF soldier, all the words were spoken by actors, therefore its anonymous or make believe......

 

It's hearsay until someone steps forward and puts their name on it.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well, one is simply an allegation. An unsubstantiated allegation by The British Bashing Corporation. A story. Hearsay. Jumped on by the usual Brit Haters. 

 

The other actually happened in many cities over the course of several years resulting in several (although not nearly enough) convictions and subsequently a massive cover up.

 

Hardly comparable. 

 

 

 

 

 

The BBC are reporting the allegations.

 

The allegations are being made by  UK Special Forces veterans who were eyewitnesses to the events. 
 

I understand Asseannow selects news stories from reputable sources and that those selected news sources shall not be impugned by members in the discussion of the topics the reports address.

 

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Alleged actions.

 

Nothing has been proved. It's just a story. 

 

 

Alleged and unproven because they have not been investigated. That is how most allegations originate. 

 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Even if partially true (highly unlikely),

 

But you simply don't know and have absolutely no basis to assume otherwise. 

 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Even if partially true (highly unlikely), they wouldn't come close to what The Taliban has done.

 

Again, this attempt to say that a murder of a child carried out by the British Army is not nearly as bad as a murder carried out by the Taliban. There is no acceptable number of children that an organisation is allowed to kill and still remain the good guys. 

 

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

they wouldn't come close to what The Taliban has done. Don't see you criticizing them though.

 

Show me a Taliban thread and I will participate. 

 

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Keep bashing Britain and it's armed forces though..

 

I would imagine that most of the British armed forces would be equally as disgusted as I am at this story. In fact, these are Armed Forces members who are taking a moral stand against it. It is you, @JonnyF who are disrespecting the armed forces by trying to downplay this as if it is acceptable. 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The BBC are reporting the allegations.

 

The allegations are being made by  UK Special Forces veterans who were eyewitnesses to the events. 
 

I understand Asseannow selects news stories from reputable sources and that those selected news sources shall not be impugned by members in the discussion of the topics the reports address.

 

 

 

 

 

Not one of the sources has been named. So we have vague allegations by unnamed sources. Excuse me if I don't hang the SAS out to dry. 😄

 

The story is here to be discussed. I do not find it credible. Others may. But running to the teacher to try and get me banned because I do not believe the allegations seems a little silly Chomps. 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Alleged and unproven because they have not been investigated. That is how most allegations originate. 

 

 

But you simply don't know and have absolutely no basis to assume otherwise. 

 

 

Again, this attempt to say that a murder of a child carried out by the British Army is not nearly as bad as a murder carried out by the Taliban. There is no acceptable number of children that an organisation is allowed to kill and still remain the good guys. 

 

 

Show me a Taliban thread and I will participate. 

 

 

I would imagine that most of the British armed forces would be equally as disgusted as I am at this story. In fact, these are Armed Forces members who are taking a moral stand against it. It is you, @JonnyF who are disrespecting the armed forces by trying to downplay this as if it is acceptable. 

 

Nonsense.

 

Allegations by unnamed sources. Excuse me if I don't cry myself to sleep about something that most likely never happened.

 

If proven true in a court of law, let's discuss again - once we know all the facts. Until then, I will leave the pearl clutching to the experts, you and Chomps.  

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Wow, it's crazy, isn't it, that some people do bad things?  Keep using the "bored drinking coffee" emoji -- it's so powerful.    Wow, NATO killed A MILLION people?  That's remarkable.  Bad, bad NATO!

Well, you keep killing civilians in a country you shouldn't even be in, and you really can't complain, when the victim's family and fellow country persons, kill your own civilians, for a damn good reason.

 

You know, that 'eye for an eye' thingy, and 'paybacks are a bitch'   Wait for it ....