I have booked flight for DMK only to realize afterwards how picky immigration became lately

[sr_mueang_25]

Hi mates  🙂

 

..been around SEA 3 years hopping Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam ...

 

Never had any problem  alternated land borders with dmk last ones where in oct and january through padang besar but even tough previous spells out of thailand were long those ones where just days , now 45 days in vietnam yet 3 first months of year overthere , i am certain if they want to  deny entry might have a  case .

 

So i see many post here of people being asked or even blatantly denied entry with even less heavy record , i know having onward ticket and enough funds raises your chances  , i am myself waiting for some uplifting of my b account next week till then i only have cash enough for couple weeks , no cc option to purchase one of those phony tickets onwards .....

 

My question to fellow long term SEA HOPPERS  is ? apart from those denied or being questioned having a heavy record that may arise questions from inm officials are there people going through inmaculately safe with no harm! ...what are my chances ....i allready have plane ticket purchased weeks ago but realised later how hard is getting lately specially at places like dmk - if i knew i'd have tried chiang may or even hat yai -

 

I am seriously thinking about doing visa run to cambodia now couse chances  of being treated like  scum by some idem with a uniform look high and not my preferred cup of tea ...id actually just spend some days overthere and come back couse viet land is actually nicer in some  ways ...

 

 

So could anyone with heavy record going recently through 

Dmk confirm they went through ok and safe ....

 

The tought of being denied entry probably having to pay for comeback flight then have only one day left in Vietnam does not bide me well say the least ....

 

Thanks in advance .

 

Cheese.

 

 

Itinerary :

 

Jan-feb-mar 23 Thai

Apr-may.   23 malaysia

May- jun-jul 23 viet

August-sept. 23 Thai

Oct 23 malaysia

Nov dec 23 Thai. --- jan feb 24 Thai

Feb mar april 24 malaysia

April-may-june 24  Thai

June-july-august. 24 viet

August-sep-oct 24 Thai. - one week malaysia then nov- dec Thai...

 

3 days out in penang then jan-feb - march 25 Thai....

Arrive viet early april...1,5 months spent at HCM...

 

 

Best regards.

 

 

 

[DrJack54]

21 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

3 days out in penang then jan-feb - march 25 Thai....

 

Arrive viet early april...1,5 months spent at HCM...

I don't follow the dates even though you clearly listed them.

When was most recent time in Thailand and for how long that visit.

How long out of Thailand till next entry.

 

[Tod Daniels]

well any way you slice it you have an extensive entry/stay history to thailand AND it's 100% up to the officer you're standing in front of when you stamp in to decide if you're a "real tourist" or someone whose living here on free entry stamps between visits to other S/E Asian countries 😮 
 

There's no one on this group who can tell you with any certainty if you'll skate thru, get questioned and get in, OR get denied entry and shipped back out to where you flew in from on your dime

You do have substantial time out of thailand between the free entries and that could count in your favor..

About all you can do is have proof you're flying out within the days you'll get stamped in for, and if you're questioned show them that flight.

ALL the airports are getting harder, BOTH Chiang Mai and Phuket (which were previously soft touch entry spots) have tightened up and are denying people based on previous entry/stay history.

Sincerely best of luck with it, be prepared, safe travels,   

[sr_mueang_25]

10 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't follow the dates even though you clearly listed them.

When was most recent time in Thailand and for how long that visit.

How long out of Thailand till next entry.

 

 I was in thailand from early days of january till 4th of april so i  will be out almost the 45 days given visa exempt here in vietnam ..... 

 

 

Not sure if that counts but from september to new year i also satayed in thailand mostly apart from week off in malaysia .... previously i always stayed at least a month some times even up to 3 out ... but my record clearly shows i am not tourist ... still never had a problem with inmigration officers letting me in ...

 

Cheers.

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

.. but my record clearly shows i am not tourist ... still never had a problem with inmigration officers letting me in .

True however you spend time out of Thailand. 

Some people try for another visa exempt via air after couple nights out.

Personally thing you will be ok.

Perhaps given a warning ....."last one"

You could consider safe entry service.

Comes at a cost ~ 4500b 

https://www.facebook.com/share/1V4UMpb27x/ 

 

[sr_mueang_25]

20 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

well any way you slice it you have an extensive entry/stay history to thailand AND it's 100% up to the officer you're standing in front of when you stamp in to decide if you're a "real tourist" or someone whose living here on free entry stamps between visits to other S/E Asian countries 😮 
 

There's no one on this group who can tell you with any certainty if you'll skate thru, get questioned and get in, OR get denied entry and shipped back out to where you flew in from on your dime

You do have substantial time out of thailand between the free entries and that could count in your favor..

About all you can do is have proof you're flying out within the days you'll get stamped in for, and if you're questioned show them that flight.

ALL the airports are getting harder, BOTH Chiang Mai and Phuket (which were previously soft touch entry spots) have tightened up and are denying people based on previous entry/stay history.

Sincerely best of luck with it, be prepared, safe travels,   

 

No chance to get phony ticket onwards as i am only on cash nor to show those 20 k ...but not far from it either ....  till next week when i am due some transfer to my b account .

I guess my best chance is they let me be .. other than that try to talk them over calmly stating i am no working .. i can show them my bank account monthly   flow in at most then it will be up for them but no ticket onward .. i will book some easy to cancel hotel just in case ... 

 

actually its th efirst time i enter with this new ssystem that looks a lot like th eone thay had at malaisia but if they ask for ticket onward at it then i have sort of same issue unless i made it up completely ..but then again if stopped at inmigration to show proof the whole story falls... 

 

Thanks for response ,  shall be  🙂

 

Cheers.

[sr_mueang_25]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

True however you spend time out of Thailand. 

Some people try for another visa exempt via air after couple nights out.

Personally thing you will be ok.

Perhaps given a warning ....."last one"

You could consider safe entry service.

Comes at a cost ~ 4500b 

https://www.facebook.com/share/1V4UMpb27x/ 

 

Id be more than happy to be given a "last one" warning  , i am actually planing spend some months back in europe this summer even get new 'clean' passport tough of course its all recorded in their data base but if i get back later at least it wont look so obvious plus i will plan ahead and get all required docs on line just in case like onward tickets and so .... 

 

I might try after all ... in couple days i can start to fill and send this new tdac thing ... lets see even if i can go through that safely first .... 

 

Thx for response and cheers ! 

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

I might try after all ... in couple days i can start to fill and send this new tdac thing ... lets see even if i can go through that safely first .... 

You are correct re new pp in future of no help.

The TDAC is simple. Can do it up to 3 days prior to entry. 

Good luck. Please post a report after entry to Thailand.

Hopefully uneventful.

BTW don't sign anything till such a time it's clear no chance of entry. 

[at15]

honestly DMK is the worst, I would consider cancelling and just flying to KL if you only need a brief time before going back to europe.

[MalcolmB]

If they start making a fuss pull the old “Do you know who I am ? What is your name? Please show me your identification”. Then get on the phone and start naming them loudly and demand an apology.

[DrJack54]

34 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

No chance to get phony ticket onwards as i am only on cash nor to show those 20 k ...but not far from it either ....  till next week when i am due some transfer to my b account .

Two things. 

Firstly not sure where you are flying from however flying visa exempt from eg Vietnam the airline at departure will almost certainly require proof of onward flight. 

 

Not having 20k is asking for trouble. 

 

[Briggsy]

I calculate you may have spent 8 of the last 12 months in Thailand on tourist options.

 

Given you are also flying into DMK (the worst) from a regional point of departure (they don't like that), you have a fair chance of "further scrutiny".

 

On the other hand, the reports suggest they are not going ballistic with denials at the moment.

 

Charge your phone and have a plan if they do deny you.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

The tought of being denied entry

 

Best option : Get a safe entry agency. You pay 5000 baht, but you have no issues.

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Best option : Get a safe entry agency. You pay 5000 baht, but you have no issues.

Link to "safe entry" Company already posted. 

OP states does not have funds for that or even onward ticket. 

 

As stated stated earlier OP, you most likely won't get a boarding pass without onward flight. 

Google "onwardticket.com"

Cost ~ 15usd.

[sr_mueang_25]

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Two things. 

Firstly not sure where you are flying from however flying visa exempt from eg Vietnam the airline at departure will almost certainly require proof of onward flight. 

 

Not having 20k is asking for trouble. 

 

 

I am flying from HCMC 

,  done it 3-4  times allready never been asked for onward ticket , in this case id probably prefer it  rather than been done at dmk and be left dumbfaced in no man's  land 

 

I doubt any of the up to 20 probably more  border crosses i had this previous 3 years from autumn 2022 - northern hemisphere - i had 20k on my pocket .... who the hell goes around with that amount in cash unless some transaction needed anyways.... i could however easily proof  online to be well funded ... not the case for some days now ... 

 

 

.....at the end it all goes down to wether the guy in uniform feels up to it !!.

If i end up going shall try to pick a line with a man agent at the end of it by the looks of so many comments read here and everywhere else .....

 

at least i have a thai sim with package going so working fine and shall have a way to maneuver  ...

[sr_mueang_25]

24 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

I calculate you may have spent 8 of the last 12 months in Thailand on tourist options.

 

Given you are also flying into DMK (the worst) from a regional point of departure (they don't like that), you have a fair chance of "further scrutiny".

 

On the other hand, the reports suggest they are not going ballistic with denials at the moment.

 

Charge your phone and have a plan if they do deny you.

 I tought the vibe was quite the oposite ive read stories here and at reddit of people being halted and even denied so often since late last years .. i just found out last week ... my previous entries were by land through padang besar no problem whatsoever ...

 

cheers .... 

[sr_mueang_25]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Link to "safe entry" Company already posted. 

OP states does not have funds for that or even onward ticket. 

 

As stated stated earlier OP, you most likely won't get a boarding pass without onward flight. 

Google "onwardticket.com"

Cost ~ 15usd.

are you sure ? i never was questioned before when leaving vietnam about onward ticket ... 

[Briggsy]

1 minute ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

 I tought the vibe was quite the oposite ive read stories here and at reddit of people being halted and even denied so often since late last years .. i just found out last week ... my previous entries were by land through padang besar no problem whatsoever ...

 

cheers .... 

Fair point, the denial stats are not on the internet! I was comparing it to pre-Covid when they went nuts.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

I am flying from HCMC 

,  done it 3-4  times allready never been asked for onward ticket

Amazed. 

 

2 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

.. i could however easily proof  online to be well funded ... not the case for some days now

Is not permitted. Things such as credit card  bank book etc useless. 

 

BTW: are you visa exempt to Vietnam. Being flown back to Saigon might not be an option. 

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

. my previous entries were by land through padang besar no problem whatsoever

Your thread concerns entry visa exempt via Air. 

Land boarders different animal. 

[sr_mueang_25]

well up to recently it was supoused easier to enter by air ... all experts claimed if i am not mistaken... there was this only two enters per calendar year by same land cross rule right ... 

 

 

its all a big mess and no logic goes with it like so many things at thai land i guess... 

 

they sure are entitled to let whomever they want in and surely as hell i am no tourist ... but well other countries like malaysia surely can deal with it way better .... 

[sr_mueang_25]

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Amazed. 

 

Is not permitted. Things such as credit card  bank book etc useless. 

 

BTW: are you visa exempt to Vietnam. Being flown back to Saigon might not be an option. 

once they stamp you out another visa exempt is not posible wo having proper stamp in - and out -  on a third country ?? 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

once they stamp you out another visa exempt is not posible wo having proper stamp in on a third country ?? 

Do not understand your question. 

Being Oz I require a visa everytime I enter Vietnam. 

Unless it's a multiple entry visa for Vietnam I would not be able to be flown back to Vietnam if refused entry to Thailand. 

In any event given your circumstances, minimal funds, extensive time spent in Thailand etc ..... If I was an io at Thai airport there is no way you would get an entry stamp. 

As for your other post mentioning two visa exempt via land per calendar year... That was removed. 

Now no stated limit. 

 

[sr_mueang_25]

yes that was my question ....

 

 

if i get denied entry at dmk ... from post of people denied entry i understand procedure is they send you back to origin ..ie HCMC ...i am Schengen European so get visa exempt entry 45 days and to my knowlegde it does not matter enter same day and in this case officials would be aware of odd situation but the question is ,  its vietnam allowed to give me a new passport  stamp in w/o proper one out of other country ? ..or the one running prior with still two days to end still goes...does not sound likely tbh...

 

 

 

 

 

[Caldera]

13 minutes ago, sr_mueang_25 said:

yes that was my question ....

 

 

if i get denied entry at dmk ... from post of people denied entry i understand procedure is they send you back to origin ..ie HCMC ...i am Schengen European so get visa exempt entry 45 days and to my knowlegde it does not matter enter same day and in this case officials would be aware of odd situation but the question is ,  its vietnam allowed to give me a new passport  stamp in w/o proper one out of other country ? ..or the one running prior with still two days to end still goes...does not sound likely tbh...

 

You can expect to be questioned by Vietnamese immigration in such a scenario, as they will be informed by your airline that you're coming back as a passenger who was denied entry elsewhere ("INAD").

 

That could go both ways, Vietnam could send you back home or (more likely) they will allow you to enter.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, Caldera said:

That could go both ways, Vietnam could send you back home or (more likely) they will allow you to enter.

Not about to look for it, however back in the infamous year of 2019..

Guy flew from Saigon to DMK. 

Refused entry and flown back to Saigon. 

Refused entry at Saigon even though UK national. 

Then flown to UK. 

Happy days. 

[Seppius]

Try to get a male immigration officer, I heard ups your chance slightly

[sr_mueang_25]

If i am going to have a Tom Hanks Terminal experience rather be it at dmk or bkk rather than saigon ... on the other hand i read they have free reclining seats on latter and probably  is cheaper in terms of food options.... 🤣

[Jack1988]

A friend of mine likes to come to Thailand since 2016. He just came back to Thailand after staying out of the country for almost 6 months, the immigration officer just asked him how long he is going to stay in Thailand and what he do here. After he answered he got the stamp. It only took a few minutes, no problem at all

 

By the way, if I was in your situation i would probably use the safe entry service just to be safer. Pay more money but no entry issues at least. All good and no stress 👍 

[thai006]

don't need to worry if you use safe entry service  ok that 4500b  but  you will be welcome in thailand  in a minute without hassle