Trump Admin Revokes Harvard’s Right to Enroll International Students

[metisdead]

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[riclag]

Google Ai:

 

“During wartime and periods of heightened national concern in the U.S., universities have been scrutinized by the government due to their research activities, potential ties to foreign powers, and the perceived influence of certain ideologies on their campuses. This scrutiny has manifested in various ways, including investigations, funding cuts, and pressure on university administrations to address specific concerns”.

 

It looks like another SCOTUS Ruling coming and it can’t come quick enough!

 America is so done with radical foreign students & academia chanting free free Palestine , from the river to the sea , divest,college  encampments.

Let the Guy who is in charge of the country help keep my country safe.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

28 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

But this is a different set of circumstances.  This is not about the Department of Education or any of its supposed threats to schools "targeted by the Trump administration."   That may well have happened, but this is a different issue, I think.  

 

The State Department is responsible for issuing visas, including foreign student visas, and the Department of Homeland Security acting together with the Dept of State with respect to foreign students, set up a program called the SEVP.  In order to obtain SEVP certification, the schools must keep a set of records:

 

Standard SEVP Requirements for All Schools
    •    SEVP-certified schools must generally:
    •    Maintain accurate student records (enrollment, academic progress, attendance).
    •    Report changes in student status to SEVIS (Student and Exchange Visitor Information System).
    •    Update the Form I-17 for material changes (like address or leadership changes).
    •    Allow SEVP to conduct on-site reviews at any time.
    •    Apply for recertification every two years.
    •    Schools must comply with federal laws and regulations, and ensure their programs and operations meet       SEVP standards.

 

So, it appears as though the Trump administration was just asking for records the school was supposed to be maintaining.  How is that a problem?  I wonder if they have asked for similar records from other schools? 

 

 

Why would they not? 

[Yellowtail]

23 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Only a Russian troll would ignore the difference.

Oh, a "Russian troll", what an original comeback. 

 

And of course you're not able to explain the difference...

 

Typical leftist. Were you an education or gender studies major? 

[jas007]

27 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why would they not? 

That may well be the question.

 

As part of its regulated authority over the SEVP, the DHS has the authority to make requests for records or whatever as a condition of a school's keeping its SEVP certification.  It's a published rule, so there's ample authority. The agency's enforcement mechanism is limited to the revocation of SEVP status.

 

If a court is ever asked to review the revocation, the issue will be whether the agency acted in accordance with its statutory authority and was reasonable.  If the action is deemed to be arbitrary, capricious, or an abuse of discretion, the agencies action might not be upheld for that reason. Otherwise, what DHS did will likely be upheld. 

 

One caveat:  Recently, the Supreme Court did away with the Chevron Doctrine. Courts will no longer be required to defer to an agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute or rule.   In short, a court might see the agencies actions as arbitrary or capricious. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

48 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

But this is a different set of circumstances.  This is not about the Department of Education or any of its supposed threats to schools "targeted by the Trump administration."   That may well have happened, but this is a different issue, I think.  

 

The State Department is responsible for issuing visas, including foreign student visas, and the Department of Homeland Security acting together with the Dept of State with respect to foreign students, set up a program called the SEVP.  In order to obtain SEVP certification, the schools must keep a set of records:

 

Standard SEVP Requirements for All Schools
    •    SEVP-certified schools must generally:
    •    Maintain accurate student records (enrollment, academic progress, attendance).
    •    Report changes in student status to SEVIS (Student and Exchange Visitor Information System).
    •    Update the Form I-17 for material changes (like address or leadership changes).
    •    Allow SEVP to conduct on-site reviews at any time.
    •    Apply for recertification every two years.
    •    Schools must comply with federal laws and regulations, and ensure their programs and operations meet       SEVP standards.

 

So, it appears as though the Trump administration was just asking for records the school was supposed to be maintaining.  How is that a problem?  I wonder if they have asked for similar records from other schools? 

 

 

For the record, Harvard said that they have provided information to the agency. There is also no notice of intention to revoke. There must be specific reasons related to the non-compliance with the information. This is nothing more than a politically ideologically based revocation that doesn't exisit in the regulation. Maga logic is incomprehensible and dumb. 

[jas007]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

For the record, Harvard said that they have provided information to the agency. There is also no notice of intention to revoke. There must be specific reasons related to the non-compliance with the information. This is nothing more than a politically ideologically based revocation that doesn't exisit in the regulation. Maga logic is incomprehensible and dumb. 

 

Apparently, they provided some, but not all, of the requested information.  

[BLMFem]

Just another inept, inane and incompetent move by Trump further reducing US soft power in the world. The wannabe dictator turning the once mighty US of A into the biggest joke on the planet.

Sad.

[JonnyF]

Great move.

 

They couldn't behave. They couldn't follow the rules. They can go back to whatever dump they came from and protest there.

 

Good riddance. Take your Palestine flags and Keffirs with you and don't return. Oh, and tell your mates not to come as well.  

[tomazbodner]

Since the moment I posted the whole Aseannow went dark, I better delete this.

 

But still wanted to add the 2 quotes from that post, on how much US benefits from the 2 categories Trump cracked down on:

 

Travel & Tourism contributed $2.6TN to the economy last year and supported more than 20mn jobs. It also contributed more than $585BN in tax revenue annually, accounting for almost 7% of all government income. Source: https://wttc.org/news/us-economy-set-to-lose-12-5bn-in-international-traveler-spend-this-year

 

In the 2023-24 school year alone, foreign students contributed more than $43 billion to the U.S. economy, according to NAFSA, the Association of International Educators. Source: https://theconversation.com/international-students-infuse-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-into-local-economies-across-the-us-what-happens-if-they-stay-home-254539

[bannork]

A US federal judge on Friday blocked the government from revoking Harvard University’s ability to enroll foreign students just hours after the elite college sued the Trump administration over its abrupt ban the day before on enrolling foreign students.

US district judge Allison Burroughs in Boston issued the temporary restraining order late on Friday morning, freezing the policy that had been abruptly imposed on the university, based in nearby Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Thursday.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has accused Columbia University of violating civil rights laws, while overseas governments had expressed alarm at the administration’s actions against Harvard as part of its latest assault on elite higher education in the US.

Judge blocks Trump administration’s ban on Harvard accepting international students | Harvard University | The Guardian

[MicroB]

I feel sorry for the American students impacted by this, since it will lead to reduced opportunities for them to learn and broaden their horizons.

 

As an Undergraduate, I benefited from the International Student Exchange Program (ISEP), which exchange students for a year on a national basis. British students go to the US, American students go to the UK, all to mutual benefit. In a sense, its immaterial which country you exchange with; the benefit is being in a new and challenging educational system, which can inspire you and change your perspective on things. Some Americans won't get that opportunity, and I hear a sweeping ban on international students is likely to broaden.

 

At Harvard, the heir apparent to the Belgium throne, Princess Elizabeth, a 3rd Cousin I believe to the British King, is to be expelled halfway through her Masters, which of course is generously self-funded. She has nothing to do with any protests, all the more so due to her constitutional role. She of course won't suffer as such. But one day, she will be the Belgian Head of State, receiving a future new US Ambassador, greeting a solemn President at an annual reverential Bastogne memorial. As a country, little Belgium might not matter to the USA. Its a country that has been enormously grateful to the US, and has repeatedly demonstrated that for over 100 years.

 

Now the next Monarch will think about the US with possibly mixed feelings. That seems a shame.

[MicroB]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Great move.

 

They couldn't behave. They couldn't follow the rules. They can go back to whatever dump they came from and protest there.

 

Good riddance. Take your Palestine flags and Keffirs with you and don't return. Oh, and tell your mates not to come as well.  

 

The ban isn't targetted. It treats all non-US passport holders the same, including Israeli citizens. Harvard is barred from enrolling any new internatonal students, including those from Israel. In addition, students currently in attendance, will have to find another place at another university.

 

Those on a F1 visa are attending taught undergraduate or graduate courses. They have 60 days to settle their affairs. 

 

J1 students have 30 days. CNN's interpretation for J1 is wrong. It's particularly tough for that latter group, because most would be postdoctoral research associates and fellows; essentially they lose their jobs These include Fulbright scholars. Some will be lecturers at the university, so this will also impact the training of the future American leadership (about one third of the current cabinet are Harvard graduates). Its important to understand that a J1 visa is a nonimmigrant exchange visa. It cannot normally be converted to a H-visa without extraordinary petitioning of government. Its a visa category specifically created to spread US influence around the world. I was one, once, in Alabama.

 

But I am debating with someone who holds a cartoon drug dealer as a role model.

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

The ban isn't targetted. It treats all non-US passport holders the same, including Israeli citizens. Harvard is barred from enrolling any new internatonal students, including those from Israel. In addition, students currently in attendance, will have to find another place at another university.

 

Those on a F1 visa are attending taught undergraduate or graduate courses. They have 60 days to settle their affairs. 

 

J1 students have 30 days. CNN's interpretation for J1 is wrong. It's particularly tough for that latter group, because most would be postdoctoral research associates and fellows; essentially they lose their jobs These include Fulbright scholars. Some will be lecturers at the university, so this will also impact the training of the future American leadership (about one third of the current cabinet are Harvard graduates). Its important to understand that a J1 visa is a nonimmigrant exchange visa. It cannot normally be converted to a H-visa without extraordinary petitioning of government. Its a visa category specifically created to spread US influence around the world. I was one, once, in Alabama.

 

But I am debating with someone who holds a cartoon drug dealer as a role model.

Yes it even applies to "persecuted" Afrikaners.